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Hello, I am a spacewolf player and I enjoy my drop pod armylist. However, is there anyway to ally with others to get the benefit of locator becons or is this not alloved? Of course the best bett would be dark angels but with them not being battlebrothers it might be hard.

Is it posible? If yes, what are the best delivery systems of locator becons?

Go through and check the FAQ's off of the GW website. I'm not sure but how most things similar were worded I'd safely take a no stance

I have been thinking of this this morning and checked the SM faq and the BRB faq and there is nothing in there to say allies cant use the locator beacon (was looking for wargear as well)

MarkyMark wrote:
I have been thinking of this this morning and checked the SM faq and the BRB faq and there is nothing in there to say allies cant use the locator beacon (was looking for wargear as well)

That is because the permissive ruleset says that for us.

It must say you can, otherwise you can not.

Permissive, yes yes. You do know that all games that are constructed, not taking place with the body, are permissive right? I just se people quote this all the time.

The permissive part in this case would be the battlebrothers rule (if it works).

If a unit (Space wolf drop pod, check) wishes to arrive on the battlefield via deep strike (Drop pod Deep Strikes, check) and chooses to do so within 6" of the model carrying the locator beacon (Yes, it chooses to do so, check), then it won't scatter. Note that the locator beacon must already be on the table at the start of the turn for it to be used (check).

It seems pretty much the wolfs do get the benefit since they are battle brothers. Since it is just "units" then battle brothers get the bonus. It hasn't been Errata'd to "Units from C:SM" or anything other either.

Now the question is, do the enemy get the bonus too? Or non battle brothers? After all they are a unit that wishes to deep strike within 6" of the beacon.

 kaapelikala wrote:
If a unit (Space wolf drop pod, check) wishes to arrive on the battlefield via deep strike (Drop pod Deep Strikes, check) and chooses to do so within 6" of the model carrying the locator beacon (Yes, it chooses to do so, check), then it won't scatter. Note that the locator beacon must already be on the table at the start of the turn for it to be used (check).

It seems pretty much the wolfs do get the benefit since they are battle brothers. Since it is just "units" then battle brothers get the bonus. It hasn't been Errata'd to "Units from C:SM" or anything other either.

Now the question is, do the enemy get the bonus too? Or non battle brothers? After all they are a unit that wishes to deep strike within 6" of the beacon.

RAW,seems like all units would get the benefits of a Beacon although I am pretty sure that is not RAI.

Are beacons discussed in the BRB at all?

You can not use your enemies locator beacon.

You can only use the beacon for the army it was bought for. This does not include allies as they are a different army.

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can not use your enemies locator beacon.

You can only use the beacon for the army it was bought for. This does not include allies as they are a different army.

Citation needed.

More important question: which armies arenyou allying? Battle brothers should be allowed to use locators, but convenience or desperate, no.

There are quite a lott to choose from.

If I do decide to pick up my SW drop pod list again, I am pretty shure that some nice regular marine drop pods with irion clads in them would aid me a lott.

Furioso's are your better bet mate, blood talons make some armies cry! av13 on the front and WS6 and they keep munching through units like guard eldar orks etc. Plus you can take some assault marines as troops

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can not use your enemies locator beacon.

You can only use the beacon for the army it was bought for. This does not include allies as they are a different army.

Citation needed.

Page 67 Codex: Space Marines.

"If a unit wishes to arrive" References C: SM units.

Also individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units.

"If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organization chart,
the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present,
as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications." P.109

 DeathReaper wrote:
"If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organization chart,
the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present,
as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications." P.109

That does not support your position.

Fragile wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
"If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organization chart,
the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present,
as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications." P.109

That does not support your position.

It does because trying to use one codexes rules for allied units is a no go, as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units

 DeathReaper wrote:
"If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organization chart,
the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present,
as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications." P.109

You forgot a part. The full paragraph including header says:

Partial Force Organisation Charts wrote:If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organisation chart, the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present, as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications. If this is the case, it doesn't mean you can't use these elements of the chart, simply refer to the version presented here.

Oh, my. With that last part added the meaning of the paragraph changes from "derp" to "If you play with an older codex you can use still use allies and fortifications. You also get extra FOCs for 2000 points or more. See the corner of pg. 109 for full, non-partial FOC.

Also, you don't have the rules for Lolcrons in you Spess Mehreen codex. You don't have the rules for the fortifications in the Codexes either.

Holy confusing Batman!

So what is the general consensus then? Can a Chaos Space Marine player ally with Daemons and drop them on his CSM Icons?

 CrazyBones wrote:
Holy confusing Batman!

So what is the general consensus then? Can a Chaos Space Marine player ally with Daemons and drop them on his CSM Icons?

The FaQ says:

"Page 73 – Daemonic Gifts, Chaos Icon.
Change the second paragraph to read “When a friendly unit
chosen from Codex: Chaos Daemons Deep Strikes within 6" of an
Icon of Chaos, it does not roll for scatter, provided that the
icon was on the table from the beginning of the turn and has
not arrived from Reserve in the same turn.”

"Q: If Chaos Daemons are allied to Chaos Space Marines, do they roll
for scatter if Deep Striking within 6" of a Chaos Icon carried by a
Chaos Space Marine model? (p73)
A: If the wording on the Chaos Icon’s description refers to ‘all
friendly units’, then yes. If not, then the Chaos Icon only
affects the specific units referred to in its description."

 CrazyBones wrote:
Holy confusing Batman!

So what is the general consensus then? Can a Chaos Space Marine player ally with Daemons and drop them on his CSM Icons?

CSM has no "Icons" anymore. They are thingamajicks that give random buffs to the units.

So no dropping Daemons on your CSM.

That other Q&A about allied CSM is deprecated since CSM got their new codex.

CSM DO have icons. But they provide no help for deep striking anymore, unlike the ones in the last codex.

Also, they errata'd the Daemons ones so they only help units from Codex: Chaos Daemons.

So the only way to help chaos terminators not scatter is if you can manage to activate the Dimensional Key before they show up.

 Mannahnin wrote:
CSM DO have icons. But they provide no help for deep striking anymore, unlike the ones in the last codex.

Also, they errata'd the Daemons ones so they only help units from Codex: Chaos Daemons.

So the only way to help chaos terminators not scatter is if you can manage to activate the Dimensional Key before they show up.

Thanks for the responses everyone. However, I think I need clarify my question.

If my opponent plays a primary army (Daemons) and brings along some Chaos Space Marine allies that have a Chaos Icon, can his Daemons drop in on his Chaos Space Marines without scattering?

 CrazyBones wrote:
If my opponent plays a primary army (Daemons) and brings along some Chaos Space Marine allies that have a Chaos Icon, can his Daemons drop in on his Chaos Space Marines without scattering?

No since the CSM have no "Chaos Icons" that help with Deep Strike. Their "Icons" are now thingamajicks that buff the unit they are bought for.

Thought this was about Locator beacon not Chaos Icons.

One cannot use enemy wargear to ones advantage (Unless specifically mentioned). However Battle Brother Alies CAN share wargear abilities and so Space Wolf Drop Pods COULD benefit from C:SM Locator Beacons etc

C:CSM Wargear DOES NOT Help C because of the way C:CSM Icons work now.

Dooley wrote:
One cannot use enemy wargear to ones advantage (Unless specifically mentioned). However Battle Brother Alies CAN share wargear abilities and so Space Wolf Drop Pods COULD benefit from C:SM Locator Beacons etc

C:CSM Wargear DOES NOT Help C because of the way C:CSM Icons work now.

Page reference?

At work and dont have the BRB with me however, Check around the "ALLIES CHART" page.

Dooley wrote:
One cannot use enemy wargear to ones advantage (Unless specifically mentioned). However Battle Brother Alies CAN share wargear abilities and so Space Wolf Drop Pods COULD benefit from C:SM Locator Beacons etc

C:CSM Wargear DOES NOT Help C because of the way C:CSM Icons work now.

This is not entirely correct as there are abilities/wargear that let models control enemy units/models, such as puppet master or mindshackle scarabs.

But I get what his meaning is.

I believe he is referring to page 112:

BRB wrote:
Battle Brothers
This category covers the strongest of alliances, two or more armies striving for a common goal. Battle Brothers have utter trust in their comrades, treating them as an extension of their own forces. Such alliances are always voluntary, born out of an unyielding desire for victory.

Battle Brothers are treated as 'friendly units' from all points of view. This means, for example, that Battle Brothers:
. Can be joined by allied Independent Characters.
. Are counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers abilities and so on.
. However, note that not even Battle Brothers can embark in allied transport vehicles.[/q]

Have checked that before, and in AOC and BB no mention of wargear

MarkyMark wrote:
Have checked that before, and in AOC and BB no mention of wargear

So are you in agreement with Dooley?

In regards to this, I honestly do not know, there is nothing to stop it that I have found, so leaning towards yes its ok