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Would you say the Daemon Prince is a good HQ choise in the new codex or would you take something else? What would you field as HQ choises?
I need advice. Currently I'm thinking about Nurgle Sorcerer and Slaneesh Daemon Prince.

The CSM DP is expensive points wise and lacks EW

My friend runs a Nurgle/ wings/blckmace/powerarmor/Mastery lv 3 trades in for Biomancy

I'd go Slan/wings/powerarmor/master lv 3 Biomancy

Personally I think they are too expensive., just for a basic Prince with wings is 185 points. If I was to use a Daemon Prince, I would use this:

Daemon Prince w/ MoK, Wings, and The Black Mace -240pts

Makes the Mace AP2, gives him 7 attacks on the charge, 6 if he is charged, and he can fly. Anything other than this can easily ended up being over 300 points.

Your Lord choice really depends on whether or not you want to make any of the cult troops (Berzerkers, Plague Marines, Thousand Sons, Noise Marines) troops. If you use a lot of any of these squads then you'll want a lord with the right mark.
Here are 2 standout builds for a Lord:
Lord w/ MoK, Juggernaut, Axe of Blind Fury, and Aura -160pts
Lord w/ MoN, Bike, The Black Mace, and Aura -160pts

Sorercers I'm not very familiar with as I worship Khorne.



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Sorry thought you asked for advice on all HQ's.

I do like James Dean's above Nurgle Prince, but that one guy is 325 points so you have to decide if you want to invest that many points in to a single HQ.

Its ok, I gladly take advice on all HQ's. But what do you run a juggernaut Lord with? I feel he's a bit left out in the open. Do you hide him behind something or get him into some squad (if thats possible)?

 Gravity wrote:
Its ok, I gladly take advice on all HQ's. But what do you run a juggernaut Lord with? I feel he's a bit left out in the open. Do you hide him behind something or get him into some squad (if thats possible)?

IIRC he moves 12" so an assault squad would work. It has issues, but it works.

Ok, then I guess he can join any squad as a IC? But if he is in a squad doesnt true line of sight get him in trouble as he stands above the rest?

 Gravity wrote:
Ok, then I guess he can join any squad as a IC? But if he is in a squad doesnt true line of sight get him in trouble as he stands above the rest?

It can, but same gos with any model

I wouldnt take them as FMCs, allied Greater Daemons sounds better when you get to that point level.
LD9 makes them the crappiest psyker in the whole book. Seriously, even a 1K Son unit Sorcerer has LD10.

If I were to take one It'd be a cheap Slaanesh one with probably just power armor. It runs fast and will draw fire from other important things.

 Jackster wrote:
I wouldnt take them as FMCs, allied Greater Daemons sounds better when you get to that point level.
LD9 makes them the crappiest psyker in the whole book. Seriously, even a 1K Son unit Sorcerer has LD10.

If I were to take one It'd be a cheap Slaanesh one with probably just power armor. It runs fast and will draw fire from other things.

Even Ld 9 with a spell familiar is OP

How does the familiar work exactly?

Allows re-rolls on failed psychic tests.

A FMC does gain some protection from fire when flying, so there is that to consider.

re-roll failed psychic tests

Oh, thats nice.My conclusion is to run a Nurgle Sorcerer in a PM squad with Rhino transport, and then the Lord on a Juggernaut with Raptors.

I'm just starting Chaos Space Marines, but thinking of making one as a flying beatstick.

Wings, armor, black mace. I'd only dedicate it to Tzeentch to match my army's fluff, though.

I aggree to some of the posters here that he could die very very easily if not getting power armor or if not flying. I would love a terminator armour option on him, or at least a 2+ option.

This post reflects my thoughts on how to use the new DP

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/482623.page

 WarOne wrote:


A FMC does gain some protection from fire when flying, so there is that to consider.

And gains the ability to nosedive when shot at by other flyers or even lucky hits with bolters or marker lights. He's fragile enough as it is to be taking free S9 AP1 hits every turn if you face a competitive army.

Yeah I agree with labmouse, flying beatstick or flying flamer (burning brand of skalathrax), and need to keep it under 250 pts.

I would not use the DP as a psyker. Just too expensive and unreliable for it to do what you want. Awesome for fun games though.

Personally I just like using the codex daemons, the Lord of Change is great... he's got cool toys, 3+ invul and is awesome at shooting down flyers.

Plus you can get flamers and screamers along with it, which turn out to probably be more or just as competitive as anything in the CSM 'dex.

 Gravity wrote:
Would you say the Daemon Prince is a good HQ choise in the new codex or would you take something else? What would you field as HQ choises?
I need advice. Currently I'm thinking about Nurgle Sorcerer and Slaneesh Daemon Prince.

I've been looking at DPs also, and recently played a game against one, my enemy after using the black mace after a game decided to go axe of blind fury, correct me if im wrong but it does have a better AP value of 2 but it does decrease his weapon skill by 1, this imho is a good trade off considering him with all his upgrades is a tank, a flying tank. with the axe there is pretty much no unit to contest you, even with a nice and fluffy wl trait or chaos boon.

My buddy and I tested a DP with a mace out the other day. The DP ate 2 grey hunter squads + 2 ICs during the course of the game. I was forced to keep feeding him characters in challanges and then lose 1/3 of my wolves to the bug zapper.

In the one turn that the DP was not in assault, I did 3 wounds to it. So if you can keep them in assault their great. The second that they are not in assault, then they target practice.

The current DP model comes with a larger base but a DP w/ wings should be on a flyer base. Not available yet, right?

 wuestenfux wrote:
The current DP model comes with a larger base but a DP w/ wings should be on a flyer base. Not available yet, right?

Why would it be on a flier base? It comes with a Dreadnought sized base, so that's what you use.

The Daemon Prince can't have the Axe of Blind Fury as he is a daemon of and doesn't have a mark. Tell me how he gets AP2 from the black mace, first post.

mickthesplit wrote:
The Daemon Prince can't have the Axe of Blind Fury as he is a daemon of and doesn't have a mark.

FAQ says he can.

mickthesplit wrote:
Tell me how he gets AP2 from the black mace, first post.

Smash.

To answer the original question, no, they are not worth using. A daemon prince is as tough as 4 Toughness 5 Marines. When was the last time anyone considered 4 Plague Marines all that tough, and they are even harder to kill. 4 Wounds on 5 Toughness doesn't even have to shoot him. He will die in two rounds of assault just from mass of attacks versus basically anything.

No is the simple answer. In my mind he is too priecy when I can pay less than a hundred points for a HQ that can be given Termi armour and can get better cover save. Pluss the Chaos lord is somewhat more survivebal than the big flying devil.

Guess I'll reserve my DP model for the boons then