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How about Screamers and Flamers?

Do they now have a 4++ and a 5++ and pick the best?
Or just a 5++?

THeir REPLACEMENT states "-" for their save; you cannot use their original codex any longer.

As they have no listed save, and a 5++ save, they have a 5++ save

I agree with nosferatu, the 4++ save is out I'm afraid :( They still got a nice boost though!

It still feels wrong that Horrors (the so called lowest daemons of Tzeentch) still have a 4++.

And yet their beefier brethren have only a 5++.

Also in the new CSM book the MoT gives everything a +1 invulnerable save.
By this logic if the standard Daemon has a 5++, then a Tzeentch daemon should have a 4++.

However I am not arguing that they still have a 4++, it seems fairly cut and dry at the moment.
Just that it feels kinda wrong now.

 dan2026 wrote:
It still feels wrong that Horrors (the so called lowest daemons of Tzeentch) still have a 4++.

And yet their beefier brethren have only a 5++.

Also in the new CSM book the MoT gives everything a +1 invulnerable save.
By this logic if the standard Daemon has a 5++, then a Tzeentch daemon should have a 4++.

However I am not arguing that they still have a 4++, it seems fairly cut and dry at the moment.
Just that it feels kinda wrong now.

Horrors have 1W, Flamers have 2W. It's also important to note that nowhere in their profile does it list MoT. Also if you've used the new flamers, they feel wrong enough as is ..