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You forget that it states that Salamanders are known to spend lots of time in their original villages. Many are even part of their respective village High Councils.
SM have acid in their balls probably, but here is a better one - Do SoB have sex? Just don't tell me that crap "they are brides of the Emperor "...
P.S.
sorry for the bad language...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
DarthMarko wrote: SM have acid in their balls probably but here is a better one - Do SoB have sex? Just don't tell me that crap "they are brides of the Emperor "...
P.S.
sorry for the bad language...
In the dreams of 12 year olds having fantasies of Chaos Sisters of battle that wear no armor, yeah.
EDIT:fixed a dot to a comma.
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If anyone from SM had sex it's the EC...Like in novel "Fulgrim" there is a mild erotic scene,which was kind of refreshing in the sea of bolter porn...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Which one? That ogryns and ratlings aren't human, or that Space Marines are divergent from humanity?
For the former, it's in the latest rulebook. Ogryns and Ratlings are not classified as Homo Sapiens Sapiens; instead, they're classified as Homo Sapiens Gigantis and etc-- they are a different subspecies from humans. Other subspecies include Homo Sapiens Hirsuitus (aka Felinids, which amused me to no end), for example. Keep in mind that there is nowhere near enough difference between modern human races to have any of them classified as subspecies-- the genetic difference between an Ogryn and a Human is far bigger than the genetic difference between a "pure" Caucasian and a "pure" African, for example.
For the latter, it's in every rulebook since second. The creation of a space marine article as well. The genetic implants adjust the genes of the recipient-- the occulobe, for example, adjusts the genetic code of the eye to make it more suited for optic therapy from the apothecaries. And none of them work without the proper chemical therapy to change the genetic structure of the recipient anyway. This chemical therapy is intensive and, itself, can kill the recipient of the implants. The end result is that a Space Marine after the implantation process either cannot or does not become interested in procreation (even IF the appropriate organs still exist and still actually function, which is something that is both unproven and illogical) without some outside influence such as Chaos.
Space Marines, chemically and hormonally, have no sexual desire, making this entire discussion pointless.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
I know from reading Horus Heresy novels that during that time, Loken and most of the others from Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, were training, sleeping, or polishing/repairing their armor. I can't even tell you how many times in 3 books that he is depicted with lapping powder and a cloth, polishing various pieces.
"You are like a son and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done and now passes to you for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you Warmaster and from this day forth all of my armies and generals shall take orders from you as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you for your brother Primarchs are strong of will, of thought and of action.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile? I'm aware that normal Space Marines don't have intercourse.
DarthMarko wrote: If anyone from SM had sex it's the EC...Like in novel "Fulgrim" there is a mild erotic scene,which was kind of refreshing in the sea of bolter porn...
If I want to read, I prefer bolterporn over normal porn
DarthMarko wrote: If anyone from SM had sex it's the EC...Like in novel "Fulgrim" there is a mild erotic scene,which was kind of refreshing in the sea of bolter porn...
If I want to read, I prefer bolterporn over normal porn
Yeah,but it's always the same...I' prefer a little story with dose of bolterporn....
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BlaxicanX wrote: Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile? I'm aware that normal Space Marines don't have intercourse.
Yep, they are banging TS on regular basis...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
UM are probably in their spare time studying poetry, politics, cooking etc.
The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
Brokksamson wrote: I know from reading Horus Heresy novels that during that time, Loken and most of the others from Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, were training, sleeping, or polishing/repairing their armor. I can't even tell you how many times in 3 books that he is depicted with lapping powder and a cloth, polishing various pieces.
The Horus Heresy is the most homoerotic time in the entire galaxy.
BlaxicanX wrote: Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile? I'm aware that normal Space Marines don't have intercourse.
There's one reference to the 'trickster' (i can't remember his name) having intercourse before his transformation into a Space Marine. There is zero mention of the Space Wolves doing it.
Brokksamson wrote: I know from reading Horus Heresy novels that during that time, Loken and most of the others from Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, were training, sleeping, or polishing/repairing their armor. I can't even tell you how many times in 3 books that he is depicted with lapping powder and a cloth, polishing various pieces.
The Horus Heresy is the most homoerotic time in the entire galaxy.
Most of said homoeroticism is from Graham McNeil.
God-Emperor bless that man.
You like that, don't you?
The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
BlaxicanX wrote: Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile? I'm aware that normal Space Marines don't have intercourse.
There's one reference to the 'trickster' (i can't remember his name) having intercourse before his transformation into a Space Marine. There is zero mention of the Space Wolves doing it.
BlaxicanX wrote: Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile?
It doesn't actually say that they have any form of intercourse, the closest that the codex describes is flirting IIRC, and that probably has more to do with their planet's culture than anything else.
It's kinda hard to remember anything from the SW codex, mind you, what with every third word being "wolf", and "claw" or "fang" as every fourth.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
BlaxicanX wrote: Aren't there some statements in the Space Wolves codex that describe them as having the sex every once and awhile?
It doesn't actually say that they have any form of intercourse, the closest that the codex describes is flirting IIRC, and that probably has more to do with their planet's culture than anything else.
It's kinda hard to remember anything from the SW codex, mind you, what with every third word being "wolf", and "claw" or "fang" as every fourth.
Then, the wolfs made fang love to the wolf woman. It was like a claw.
thenoobbomb wrote: Enough marines have hit puberty. They are not castrated or so. They just don't want/need to have sex. Easy.
This is the most realistic assumption.
Castration doesn't really make sense, as it upsets the natural balances that the human male has, and the process of creating Space Marines relies heavily on these balances as far as we understand.
However, with the kinds of heavy psychological condition and the rigorous training regimen and, ultimately, the almost complete segregation from women that Space Marines have for the bulk of their formative years, it makes sense that the sex drives of Space Marines would be completely subdued.
The other important thing to mention is that it's also really never been stated that this is so. Games Workshop just consciously chooses to forbid the mention of overt sexuality in any of their works. Even Slaanesh, the Chaos God of Raping gak, never actually rapes anybody, lol. Space Marines have never been mentioned as having sex because, well, almost nobody in 40K has ever been mentioned as having sex, at least that I can remember, aside from a handful of times where it's been inferred, but not explicitly stated.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Castration doesn't really make sense, as it upsets the natural balances that the human male has, and the process of creating Space Marines relies heavily on these balances as far as we understand.
As per the Index Astartes article on Space Marine creation, the "natural balance" is already destroyed by the augmentation process.
"This chemical treatment is reduced after completion of the initiation process, but it never ends. Marines undergo periodic treatment for the rest of their lives in order to maintain a stable metabolism. This is why their power armour suits contain monitoring equipment and drug dispensers."
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Games Workshop just consciously chooses to forbid the mention of overt sexuality in any of their works.
And it's the most intelligent thing to do for them, from a company point of view.
If they'd say "Space Marines have sex" it'd destroy the warrior monk theme they have going on, and if they'd say "they can't have sex" it'd upset the people feeling it would make them "less manly", lol.
For what 40k is about, it's just a non-issue.
There are bits of sexuality in 40k fluff here and there, though I feel as if it has gotten fewer over the past couple years, because apparently nowaday violence is awesome but sex is a no-no. Off the top of my head I remember the 2E SoB Codex mentioning Schola orphans being sold as sex slaves during the Age of Apostasy. In contrast, nowadays they even designed the Daemonettes because the old version had naked breasts. Naughty!
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Brokksamson wrote: I know from reading Horus Heresy novels that during that time, Loken and most of the others from Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, were training, sleeping, or polishing/repairing their armor.
That's pretty much what they do in all of the HH and other stories when they describe down time.
Ooo, people can crap 14 pages 4sure...Next thread "Sex life of the first founding chapters","how do Iron hands please themselves and why did Magnus often climb up to Ahriman's room...But let stick to the OP-s first question...
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Brokksamson wrote: I know from reading Horus Heresy novels that during that time, Loken and most of the others from Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, were training, sleeping, or polishing/repairing their armor. I can't even tell you how many times in 3 books that he is depicted with lapping powder and a cloth, polishing various pieces.
And this is the sad truth...
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
Loken liked to read, some of the SM ornated bolter rounds,SW did drink,brawl,hunt and tell sagas...WE had fighting pits,EC enjoyed making art and listening music...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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