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Do the magma cutters count as a close combat weapon?

No

Not in the same vein as other close combat attacks, no. What it is is an "attack" that hits automatically against something you have hit with your actual close combat attacks so you would not get bonus attacks per se; You use the profile listed to determine the strength of the free hit.

In essence, imagine if you will the character Goro, from the Mortal Kombat movie and his first fight scene; He picks up his opponent with his first set of hands (the maulerfiends normal close combat attacks), and then hits the same opponent with his other sets of hands (the magma cutters).

I have a question to add to this, do they count as weapons for the sake of Weapon Destroyed results when it is being hit?

No reason they shouldnt; they have weapon stats. The exception would be if they are built into the FFs close combat weapons, in which case you destroy them together.

So kind of like the built in stormbolters on dreadnoughts, they cen be destroyed on their own but if the primary weapon (in this case one of the power fists) is destroyed they go too

 CrashCanuck wrote:
So kind of like the built in stormbolters on dreadnoughts, they cen be destroyed on their own but if the primary weapon (in this case one of the power fists) is destroyed they go too

IIRC you don't get to destroy just the storm bolter, only the Fist w/ the storm bolter.

That's correct, the two count as one weapon for Weapon Destroyed results. It's in the FAQs.

 Super Ready wrote:
That's correct, the two count as one weapon for Weapon Destroyed results. It's in the FAQs.

Which FAQ? I could not find it.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
That's correct, the two count as one weapon for Weapon Destroyed results. It's in the FAQs.

Which FAQ? I could not find it.

Not seeing it now, IIRC it was in C:SM FAQ's

My mistake, it's actually page 74 in the rulebook now - the Weapon Destroyed result specifically mentions combi- and built-in weapons.
It was in the FAQs before, basically all the SM ones which had Dreadnoughts with under-arm weapons - must have been removed with the rule now in the main book.

 Super Ready wrote:
My mistake, it's actually page 74 in the rulebook now - the Weapon Destroyed result specifically mentions combi- and built-in weapons.
It was in the FAQs before, basically all the SM ones which had Dreadnoughts with under-arm weapons - must have been removed with the rule now in the main book.

Thanks Super I was running around looking for it myself.

 Super Ready wrote:
My mistake, it's actually page 74 in the rulebook now - the Weapon Destroyed result specifically mentions combi- and built-in weapons.
It was in the FAQs before, basically all the SM ones which had Dreadnoughts with under-arm weapons - must have been removed with the rule now in the main book.

That is not what that means.

What P.74 means is if you destroy the DCCW you destroy any built in or combi weapons attached to it.

The built in storm bolter on a DCCW is still viable to be destroyed on its own.

So basically a Blood Angel Dread with 2 DCCW's a storm bolter (Built into one of the DCCW's) and a Melta-gun (Built into the other DCCW) has 4 weapons that can be destroyed.

1. Storm Bolter (Built into the left DCCW).
2. Melta-Gun (Built into the right DCCW).
3. Left DCCW (If this goes so does the built in Storm Bolter).
4. Right DCCW (If this goes so does the built in Melta-Gun).

As above. This is likely an unintended consequence of the random allocation of weapon destroyed results in 6th, as nowehere are the underslung weapons removed from the pool of weapons that an be destroyed

Still not sure whether magma cutters count as a weapon for "weapon destroyed" results. It seems like they should, yet if we go with the interpetation that they act as a pair (1/2 hits instead of 2/4 hits) then it's quite unclear what happens if you destroy one.

If you destroy one, you can only hit with one bonus attack, never two.

I highlighted the subtlety here:

"... hits with at least one Attack in the Fight sub-phase, it may make an additional Attack with one of its Magma Cutters [...] if it hit with all of its Attacks. it instead makes two additional attacks with its magma cutters [,,,]"

The rule for one attack is singular, the second is plural.

So they are not a cc or ranged weapon but they can be destroyed by a weapon destroyed result?

Correct. They are a weapon, they just not explicitly a ranged or melee weapon.


All weapons on vehicles are weapons for the purpose of Weapon Destroyed results.

Some of the above weapons are Ranged Weapons.

Some of the above are Melee weapons.

then there are weapons that are neither melee or ranged weapons.

Sort of a necro post, I actually don't see why you can't still make two attacks with the magma cutters, one destroyed or not.

You can say it's implied in the language, but then I'd say it's implied in the language, too, that they count as weapons in cc and thus also give bonus attacks. Nothing says they don't, after all. They ARE weapons, they do NOT shoot, they DO function in cc. Therefore, they give bonus attacks to walkers using them. They also have special rules that give them additional attacks in cc - note that those rules specify they are additional attacks, not the only way they can ever be used.

Spellbound wrote:
Sort of a necro post, I actually don't see why you can't still make two attacks with the magma cutters, one destroyed or not.

You can say it's implied in the language, but then I'd say it's implied in the language, too, that they count as weapons in cc and thus also give bonus attacks. Nothing says they don't, after all. They ARE weapons, they do NOT shoot, they DO function in cc. Therefore, they give bonus attacks to walkers using them. They also have special rules that give them additional attacks in cc - note that those rules specify they are additional attacks, not the only way they can ever be used.

Do they have the Melee rule?
No?
Then they are not CCWs.