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I've yet to see a single thread discussing these guys on the forum. I play an 1850-2000 point TL list at my local Games Workshop, and have had an absolute blast with them. Just looking for other people's experiences/opinions of the list, and how (if at all) they feel it's changed with 6e.

People don't play the forgeworld lists much unless its the IG ones, though I've always liked how the legion intermeshes IG and SM well.

The biggest problem with the list is that 6th edition makes it redundant. The whole point was that you could do cool things with marines + "IG", but now that you have allies available you might as well just use the IG codex and your choice of marine army. The few unique units in the army aren't really interesting enough to stand on their own.

The space marine cohorts are sweet and my Astral claws are a side project of mine will play that list for fun and for more serious stuff will have IG allies.

The integration is a lot more fundamental than with allies, though. Marines being able to take improved cover saves off of 3-point conscript models is unique, and actually pretty useful.

As far as unique, independent models go, Huron is a fun HQ choice, and the Centurion is a pretty shibby model. 55 points to confer ATSKNF onto any guard unit in the army is interesting. Renegade Marauders, though, are really one of the list's big selling points for me. An outflanking squad of 5 models with 2 meltaguns and a demo charge can lay down a ton of hurt the turn they come on the board.

And they bring a crapload of cheap artillery which, with the new rules for 6e, are surprisingly durable. I've had a unit of Deathwing termies drop right next to my guns, and manage to inflict only 2 wounds on the unit. I subsequently fragged them the following turn.

 TurtleFlop wrote:
The integration is a lot more fundamental than with allies, though. Marines being able to take improved cover saves off of 3-point conscript models is unique, and actually pretty useful.

Yeah, it's certainly a nice thing to have, but what made it awesome in 5th was that you could do an "allies" list that couldn't be done any other way. Now with allies it's reduced to a decent cover bonus in exchange for taking away a lot of options that C:SM/IG allies would have. Even if that's a trade you're willing to make it's just not special anymore.

As far as unique, independent models go, Huron is a fun HQ choice

But Huron is also available to a C:SM army, so you can get the same results by taking C:SM allies (since you probably take a few elite marine units in a Tyrant's Legion army) with IG.

and the Centurion is a pretty shibby model. 55 points to confer ATSKNF onto any guard unit in the army is interesting.

It costs more points to do with C:SM/IG, but it's still possible, and codex IG get commissars to boost their leadership for even fewer points.

Renegade Marauders, though, are really one of the list's big selling points for me. An outflanking squad of 5 models with 2 meltaguns and a demo charge can lay down a ton of hurt the turn they come on the board.

Kind of like IG stormtroopers?

And they bring a crapload of cheap artillery which, with the new rules for 6e, are surprisingly durable. I've had a unit of Deathwing termies drop right next to my guns, and manage to inflict only 2 wounds on the unit. I subsequently fragged them the following turn.

Sure, but those same guns can be taken in a codex IG army, so that's not really an advantage.

Yeah, it's certainly a nice thing to have, but what made it awesome in 5th was that you could do an "allies" list that couldn't be done any other way. Now with allies it's reduced to a decent cover bonus in exchange for taking away a lot of options that C:SM/IG allies would have. Even if that's a trade you're willing to make it's just not special anymore.

Remember it's +1 to any cover save you'll be getting, with cheaper than conscript level troops that can still take special weapons, so it's still far different from taking IG.

But Huron is also available to a C:SM army, so you can get the same results by taking C:SM allies (since you probably take a few elite marine units in a Tyrant's Legion army) with IG.

You are allowed to take C:SM allies as well in one of the slots, akin to corsairs rule of taking an elite from Eldar.

It costs more points to do with C:SM/IG, but it's still possible, and codex IG get commissars to boost their leadership for even fewer points.

Except that alot of the points costs are changed, the legion auxillary are cheaper and different from IG's standard troops, and can use ATSKNF from the centurion and other models, not to mention the 18" leadership of the Tribune HQ unit.

Kind of like IG stormtroopers?

Not anywhere close, they are cheaper, have far different rules and equipment, and are more akin to weird veteran units that can take ogryn with various melee weapons, they are actually far more melee oriented than standard IG Stroopers.



The main thing about the Tyrants legion is there is a multitiude of differences, no more different than taking BA over C:SM, or BT over BA. It has it's own different flavors of units thrown in there that doesn't just make it "SM with IG allies" You wouldn't have Corpse takers, that can double kill points against other SM (It's an apocathary unit with chainsword servitors), Renegade marauders (melee units with special weapons, ability to take ogryn, and special rules like veteran or storm troopers). The standard troop marines are closer to C:SM, but have their own special outfitting as well.

With Auxillaries being more akin to cheaper conscripts that can take special weapons, provide a bonus to cover saves, and even come with their own air units. The list is pretty good if you want a more intermixed variant of marines with IG, not marines allied with IG, but even if you still used such a description, it'd still be different from either.

Good thread to see I have plans for a one thousand point Tyrant's Legion list and judging from the book, it is much different that C:SM+IG, it has enough unique units and gimmicks to justify its existence IMO, it looks like a fantastic list and a great painting opportunity.

Nythryl wrote:
Good thread to see I have plans for a one thousand point Tyrant's Legion list and judging from the book, it is much different that C:SM+IG, it has enough unique units and gimmicks to justify its existence IMO, it looks like a fantastic list and a great painting opportunity.

Very cool! As someone who's played the list more than any other army, I can safely say it's loads of fun. Any questions, feel free to ask.

Thanks, I got a list planned out that I will post in army lists sometime, feel free to check that out :p

Has anyone had any recent experiences playing with/against the Legion? I feel like I'm the only person who's dragged them along into 6e.

I have one and it certainly is fun to use. I like to take advantage of all the unique elements of the list- the cheap artillery, the bombardment you can take as a heavy slot, turrets (i take 18 of em). Thematically i like having an elite force of Space Marines surrounded by utter chaff backed by copious amounts of artillery.

I wouldn't say it's the most effective list, and you can do what it does better with the IG and SM codecies in 6th but it is fun. I've also enjoyed painting my guard army as members of the legion for the visual cohesion.