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I'm voting for Michael Winstanley.

Wait, this is for the local PCC elections, right?

 MrMerlin wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Would you accept the word "worthless" instead? It's like trying to determine how many goldfish were inclined to like Romney. Since they didn't actually vote, it has zero affect on the election (or in this case, the poll).

The only way it's not useless to gather this is if you try to quantify why they don't care. "Didn't like the candidates" would be a way of measuring how disaffected them are.

Yeah it's intresting to know why they don't vote, but not essential.
Goldfish can't be targeted by the candidates of the next election, the people who don't vote today can.

But they're explicitly choosing not to. As such, their opinion is immaterial, with just as much impact as the choices of the goldfish (none). If you're not trying to figure out why they don't care, there is no point.

I have to go to work now, so good luck with this.

Albatross wrote:I'm voting for Michael Winstanley.

Wait, this is for the local PCC elections, right?

Sure, what did you think?

Yeah I'll edit the op

Ouze wrote:

 MrMerlin wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Would you accept the word "worthless" instead? It's like trying to determine how many goldfish were inclined to like Romney. Since they didn't actually vote, it has zero affect on the election (or in this case, the poll).

The only way it's not useless to gather this is if you try to quantify why they don't care. "Didn't like the candidates" would be a way of measuring how disaffected them are.

Yeah it's intresting to know why they don't vote, but not essential.
Goldfish can't be targeted by the candidates of the next election, the people who don't vote today can.

But they're explicitly choosing not to. As such, their opinion is immaterial, which just as much impact as the choices of the goldfish. If you're not trying to figure out why they don't care, there is no point.

I get your point. Yet I'm not trying to figure out why they don't vote, I just wanted to know how many. And that isn't useles data

MrMerlin wrote:And that isn't useles data

Technically, it's all kinda useless data, for any practical purpose. And since it's all useless, and only for interest, then it doesn't really matter what standard it's held to.

I give a damn, but can't be bothered. The lines are long and my job is nowhere near my polling place. My state couldn't be described as anything remotely close to "Swing". I just don't care enough about anything else on the ballot to be bothered.

If I did live in a swing state (or something close to it), I'd be out voting for Obama. The man is a bit a conservative for my tastes but he's better than the candidate of the party that can't seem to comprehend it's no longer 1950.

I voted two weeks ago.

 MrMerlin wrote:
I remember thread like this in the OT a while ago, but since this is the official presidential election day, I thought I'd start another one.

I'd vote for Obama.

I also voted the first week of early voting.

You didn't list the LIbertarians or the Green Party. Thats a big part of the problem.

You also didn't list the Wiener Dog Party. A steak in every bowl!

 Frazzled wrote:
the Wiener Dog Party. A steak in every bowl!

A blanket on every couch, a toy in every jaw?

As usual, the mainstream internet post creators leave Kodos off their push polls.

 Ahtman wrote:
As usual, the mainstream internet post creators leave Kodos off their push polls.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

As a Brit living here for the last 2 years, it's been interesting for me. It's very different to the UK system and there is far more bread and circus to it.

I have witnessed a witch hunt, something that has left me deeply angered, towards a man voted into office. Obama has faced accusations of being a muslim, being a nazi, being a communist and anything else certain people can come up with. I watched the rise of the angry mob in tricorn hats and holding badly spelled signs. The very elements who vaulted Bush's actions and labelled anyone who questioned the President as unAmerican, unpatriotic or subversive immediately changed position when the black man they had not voted for came to power and they then labeled the POTUS as 'the enemy', 'the subversive', the UnAmerican... All this, not on some tinfoil blog, but an unrelenting attack from the largest network 'news' channel in the nation, utterly and unswerving partisan to the point of tragic comedy. I hear WASPs saying that a mormon is closer to their religious views than a black Christian. It's a hypocrisy that I feel smells of racist undertones. As I was told in conspiratorial tones at work 'it's called 'white' house for a reason buddy...' well yes redneck donkey-cave, because it's painted white!

I have seen Obama win back the world stage for America and improve international relations after the dreadful damage inflicted to alliances by Bush Jnr's two wars. I watched Romney take one trip and insult the British people, America's strongest military ally, his very name drawing boos from the crowd at the London Olympics.

Economy, I have watched, and worked in, an improving economy. Things are getting better and the auto industry along with American manufacturing, are on the long climb back to the top. I heard the detractors on the other side talk about 'unemployment being higher now than when Obama took office' as though people are stupid enough to have not witnessed the terrible fallout Obama inherited and the massive steps his administration took to put the brakes on the downward spiral the US was taking. The Republicans started by decrying Obama for the unemployment then decrying him because unemployment was reducing but not reducing enough. The US is improving every day and it's a desperate race for Romney to get the election over and done with before things improve even more.

Obamacare; The United States is the only country in the industrialised world that does not afford it's citizens national healthcare. It is to this country's shame that it claims Christian values and talks of 'giving us your poor'... why so they can die here uncared for? Friends of ours here have had a premature baby born with cerebral palsy which is a preexisting condition and would have not been covered by their insurance but thanks to 'Obamacare' his treatments have been covered. If it were not for this, they would have incurred hundreds of thousands in debt. They are both working professionals and would have been utterly crippled by this. I have worked for an insurance firm, hate to break it to you all but their first priority is to profit, a national healthcare system would not be driven by it's profit margin but by the level of care it provides. And lets dispel a myth here, it's not going to take away your private options, should you wish to use them.

The sanctity of marriage? Absolute, if you're a Christian, you should be entirely entitled to keep your church free of gay marriages, they have no right to interfere with your place of worship. You, of course, have no exclusive right to the word Marriage or to a bonding ceremony between two consenting adults conducted in their place of worship next door to yours. Welcome to a democracy. It's not a theology. You are free and so are they.

Life/Choice? See above, if you are against abortion, you should never be forced to have one, not in case of rape, incest or the risk to your life, everyone else has an equal right to take another path and have an abortion if they want. Personal choice with no intrusion from Government.

It's weird for me, as an outsider, watching the right wing talk a huge amount about freedom from government interference in courting the libertarians, but utterly convinced it should take it's beliefs into stopping people having choices if they are choices that do not gel with their own vision. Either be all about personal freedom or admit you wish to enforce theocratic values onto the unwilling populace. So you want the government out of people's healthcare unless it's a woman's healthcare and then you wish to take away her right to make a decision. That's suppression and that's dictatorial.

So, if I had a vote in this country, and I wish as a tax payer I did, I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat.

I don't think Dakka is a representative sample of the US voting block.
While its interesting, its not indictivie of the election results.

@MeanGreenStompa

That was an excellent post. If I could applaud you, I would.

Good post, MGS.

Over the last few elections, I've had to watch the more out-spoken Republicans cater more and more to the far right. As a moderate Republican, I can tell you it's sickening. Those are not my ideals and values. More of my votes this year have gone to Libertarians and even a Democrat this time around (local councilman).

 htj wrote:
@MeanGreenStompa

That was an excellent post. If I could applaud you, I would.

You can, you'd just look kind of weird clapping in front your computer and he wouldn't be able to hear you.

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
the Wiener Dog Party. A steak in every bowl!

A blanket on every couch, a toy in every jaw?

Interviewing for the future Press Secretary I take it. Consider yourself hired!

 Chongara wrote:

 htj wrote:
@MeanGreenStompa

That was an excellent post. If I could applaud you, I would.

You can, you'd just look kind of weird clapping in front your computer and he wouldn't be able to hear you.

Tragically I was born without the ability to applaud.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
*said some stuff*

Excellent post.

Great post MGS! Sums it all up, exalted.
@labmouse: I know. I was just curious how dakka-people vote /would vote.

I voted that I didn't care... but a more accurate polling option for me would be "Voted Third Party"

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I voted that I didn't care... but a more accurate polling option for me would be "Voted Third Party"

yeah sorry, forgot about that.

htj wrote:I try and stay out of US politics. It's like a family feud - they'll both turn on you if you get involved.

A wise man.



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Deathklaat wrote:
untill i can vote for Sherrif Joe, im not voting

GTFO.

 Frazzled wrote:

 MrMerlin wrote:
I remember thread like this in the OT a while ago, but since this is the official presidential election day, I thought I'd start another one.

I'd vote for Obama.

I also voted the first week of early voting.

You didn't list the LIbertarians or the Green Party. Thats a big part of the problem.

You also didn't list the Wiener Dog Party. A steak in every bowl!

This, my primary goal this election, and what I've been actually working for is to get the Libertarians ever closer to 5% of the popular vote, if the Greens could reach that level too without stealing Libertarian votes that's just gravy. I might be chipping away at the Demorat and Republican't power bases like a mouse working on an ice berg with a chisel.... but there's more people getting tired of D.C.'s collective equine gak and if you have enough nice with enough chisels...

Under the right circumstances I could vote for either major party's presidential selection, but Obama and Romney are both incredible donkey caves.

Where is Gary Johnson? Or is this thread controlled by corporations as well?

And in a SHOCKING turn of events (considering he's dead) apparently former German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel is on the ballot.

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/11/confused-wwii-veterans-demand-to-know-why-rommel-on-presidential-ballot/

“While we applaud the American people for their willingness to vote for a centenarian, particularly a decorated war hero who turns 121 this month, we have serious questions about Mr. Rommel’s eligibility to be president and precisely what his platform consists of... as well as charges that he may have been involved in certain Nazi activities in the past, specifically the conquest of North Africa."

I want to believe that you know duffle blog is the Onion for people like us...and that you are simply trolling. A tiny piece of me thinks otherwise.

I vote Green Party or Libertarian, for governor last year I voted for the "rent is too damn high" party.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Where is Gary Johnson? Or is this thread controlled by corporations as well?

More to the point, where the hell is Cave Johnson!

I'd vote for him in a second!

I'd vote Obama.

Cobra Commander.