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Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...
   
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 lucasbuffalo wrote:
I wonder if, once 3D printers are perfected, if we'll ever see a color 3D printer.
Now that's the day this terrible painter throws down some serious coin.


I think you can do the colour thing now http://www.123inspiration.com/worlds-first-3d-photo-booth-prints-personal-miniature-figures/

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 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.
   
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Colour is possible with fused powder printers, which have patents expiring soon so should hopefully become cheap and widely available within 5 years. They have quite a bit of post-print cleanup and baking requirements, but can print in full colour. For example:



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xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.
   
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You'll be pleased to know that most of the GW 3D people use this:
http://www.sensable.com/haptic-phantom-omni.htm

which is basically a haptic pen/sculpting tool. Some of their older sculptors have been able to convert from traditional to digital already because of input devices like that.

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 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.


1- Different cultures different laws, and again, when for $200 some one in China can pay the rent, groceries keep the lights and heat on and send their kids to school. Earning $300 in a 9 hour shift job is not really an issue for them, might be for the US workers but not them. You are trying to justify the US having a higher Dollar per man hour cost, by criticizing what you imagine are other countries life quality standards, while i agree in fringe cases, China is simply no longer one of them. The US opted to make its currency the reserve capital of the world, well other countries devaluating and loosing control of you currency is the price to pay. Further more, i would imagine that every country in the world who simply can not compete economically with the US will follow the monetary policy in China, its is the most tactically sound economic direction to take and i would only wish my own country got the head out of its $#"%$% and do it already.

2- I simply do not know how this relates to my second point. Artist are Artist, CAD or Sculp is only the medium, artist will retrain them selves with to use the new tools, just like programers learn new paradigms and languages.

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xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.


1- Different cultures different laws, and again, when for $200 some one in China can pay the rent, groceries keep the lights and heat on and send their kids to school. Earning $300 in a 9 hour shift job is not really an issue for them, might be for the US workers but not them. You are trying to justify the US having a higher Dollar per man hour cost, by criticizing what you imagine are other countries life quality standards, while i agree in fringe cases, China is simply no longer one of them. The US opted to make its currency the reserve capital of the world, well other countries devaluating and loosing control of you currency is the price to pay. Further more, i would imagine that every country in the world who simply can not compete economically with the US will follow the monetary policy in China, its is the most tactically sound economic direction to take and i would only wish my own country got the head out of its $#"%$% and do it already.

2- I simply do not know how this relates to my second point. Artist are Artist, CAD or Sculp is only the medium, artist will retrain them selves with to use the new tools, just like programers learn new paradigms and languages.


1 Dear Lee, see the little flag? Im not American, Im Greek and i fully understand worldwide currency balance. I also am a designer and had to colaborate with Chinese. We only worried about chinese New Year Day. All the other dayswere an ongoing slave-party.
2 As someone that knows abit about art, offcourse computer arts are by any means ''arts'', but there is ''artist'' and there is ''program user''. The first creates, the second traces (Chasing Amy ).
   
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 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.


1- Different cultures different laws, and again, when for $200 some one in China can pay the rent, groceries keep the lights and heat on and send their kids to school. Earning $300 in a 9 hour shift job is not really an issue for them, might be for the US workers but not them. You are trying to justify the US having a higher Dollar per man hour cost, by criticizing what you imagine are other countries life quality standards, while i agree in fringe cases, China is simply no longer one of them. The US opted to make its currency the reserve capital of the world, well other countries devaluating and loosing control of you currency is the price to pay. Further more, i would imagine that every country in the world who simply can not compete economically with the US will follow the monetary policy in China, its is the most tactically sound economic direction to take and i would only wish my own country got the head out of its $#"%$% and do it already.

2- I simply do not know how this relates to my second point. Artist are Artist, CAD or Sculp is only the medium, artist will retrain them selves with to use the new tools, just like programers learn new paradigms and languages.


1 Dear Lee, see the little flag? Im not American, Im Greek and i fully understand worldwide currency balance. I also am a designer and had to colaborate with Chinese. We only worried about chinese New Year Day. All the other dayswere an ongoing slave-party.
2 As someone that knows abit about art, offcourse computer arts are by any means ''arts'', but there is ''artist'' and there is ''program user''. The first creates, the second traces (Chasing Amy ).


1- Not lee not located in China either, not even on the same side of the Atlantic ocean. Granted you are not American thou you are making the exact same flawed argument, thus my assumption and since you pointed out, that little flag mine aint Chinese either. I am glad to be educated in economics by the a citizen of the only country that actively seeks the means to loose currency and international competitivity. Dont worry my own country has been there before, ill tell you what will happen you can PM me in say 24 to 48 months and tell me i was right. You will run austerity programs, lower wages, and destroy those labor rights you hold so dear, it will not work, you will increase poverty and still loose competitivity vs other countries INCLUDING but not only China, and the rest of Europe in particular Grate Britain and Germany and to a lesser extent Spain. After your local economy is all but nuked and Greece indebted for generations to come you will finally let the Euro go and start gaining some sort of competitivity. The economy will start to recover but its up hill from there.

2- Knowing how to paint in Photoshop means nothing, if you don't know color theory and composition, its the artist that knows this not the user. It is the artist that will know how to make the barroque imagery and design we love for 40k (thou they could really ease up a little on that) and not the user who might at best color it. There is a difference between coders and designers/programers, seems to me you problem that you dont want to adapt to the new technologies.

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xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
xxvaderxx wrote:
 The Stranger wrote:
Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.


1- Different cultures different laws, and again, when for $200 some one in China can pay the rent, groceries keep the lights and heat on and send their kids to school. Earning $300 in a 9 hour shift job is not really an issue for them, might be for the US workers but not them. You are trying to justify the US having a higher Dollar per man hour cost, by criticizing what you imagine are other countries life quality standards, while i agree in fringe cases, China is simply no longer one of them. The US opted to make its currency the reserve capital of the world, well other countries devaluating and loosing control of you currency is the price to pay. Further more, i would imagine that every country in the world who simply can not compete economically with the US will follow the monetary policy in China, its is the most tactically sound economic direction to take and i would only wish my own country got the head out of its $#"%$% and do it already.

2- I simply do not know how this relates to my second point. Artist are Artist, CAD or Sculp is only the medium, artist will retrain them selves with to use the new tools, just like programers learn new paradigms and languages.


1 Dear Lee, see the little flag? Im not American, Im Greek and i fully understand worldwide currency balance. I also am a designer and had to colaborate with Chinese. We only worried about chinese New Year Day. All the other dayswere an ongoing slave-party.
2 As someone that knows abit about art, offcourse computer arts are by any means ''arts'', but there is ''artist'' and there is ''program user''. The first creates, the second traces (Chasing Amy ).


1- Not lee not located in China either, not even on the same side of the Atlantic ocean. Granted you are not American thou you are making the exact same flawed argument, thus my assumption and since you pointed out, that little flag mine aint Chinese either. I am glad to be educated in economics by the a citizen of the only country that actively seeks the means to loose currency and international competitivity. Dont worry my own country has been there before, ill tell you what will happen you can PM me in say 24 to 48 months and tell me i was right. You will run austerity programs, lower wages, and destroy those labor rights you hold so dear, it will not work, you will increase poverty and still loose competitivity vs other countries INCLUDING but not only China, and the rest of Europe in particular Grate Britain and Germany and to a lesser extent Spain. After your local economy is all but nuked and Greece indebted for generations to come you will finally let the Euro go and start gaining some sort of competitivity. The economy will start to recover but its up hill from there.

2- Knowing how to paint in Photoshop means nothing, if you don't know color theory and composition, its the artist that knows this not the user. It is the artist that will know how to make the barroque imagery and design we love for 40k (thou they could really ease up a little on that) and not the user who might at best color it. There is a difference between coders and designers/programers, seems to me you problem that you dont want to adapt to the new technologies.

1 wow we have an analyst in da house. Your points may had some value if you were talking to one of the prime ministers or ministers of finance. Actually you were educated by a left voter not in economics but in labor and basic human rights which are absent in Asian bee hives, not just China

2 Since I know how to paint in traditional and digital media + I earn my living as graphic designer I wouldn't call me technophobic
Exactly because I work in this field I can understand the fine balance between true artist and art-laborer so to speak. It's quite easy to hire a good concept artist and have some good users of software to translate his vision to a 3d object. From my part I consider micro sculpting a fascinating form of art to be lost because some management sharks prefer to pocket bigger profit margins.
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Not sure about coloured models. Either they'd require an *insane* amount of detail, or would just be a base-coat that would be sprayed over anyway.

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 Testify wrote:
Not sure about coloured models. Either they'd require an *insane* amount of detail, or would just be a base-coat that would be sprayed over anyway.


Yeah no, colored models dont make much sense to me either.


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1 wow we have an analyst in da house. Your points may had some value if you were talking to one of the prime ministers or ministers of finance. Actually you were educated by a left voter not in economics but in labor and basic human rights which are absent in Asian bee hives, not just China

2 Since I know how to paint in traditional and digital media + I earn my living as graphic designer I wouldn't call me technophobic
Exactly because I work in this field I can understand the fine balance between true artist and art-laborer so to speak. It's quite easy to hire a good concept artist and have some good users of software to translate his vision to a 3d object. From my part I consider micro sculpting a fascinating form of art to be lost because some management sharks prefer to pocket bigger profit margins.
I prefer guys like Aragorn Marks and JAG to continue to be able to provide for their families.


Sure boy, keep it up, lets see how much longer is Germany willing to bail you out.

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xxvaderxx wrote:
 Testify wrote:
Not sure about coloured models. Either they'd require an *insane* amount of detail, or would just be a base-coat that would be sprayed over anyway.


Yeah no, colored models dont make much sense to me either.


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 The Stranger wrote:

1 wow we have an analyst in da house. Your points may had some value if you were talking to one of the prime ministers or ministers of finance. Actually you were educated by a left voter not in economics but in labor and basic human rights which are absent in Asian bee hives, not just China

2 Since I know how to paint in traditional and digital media + I earn my living as graphic designer I wouldn't call me technophobic
Exactly because I work in this field I can understand the fine balance between true artist and art-laborer so to speak. It's quite easy to hire a good concept artist and have some good users of software to translate his vision to a 3d object. From my part I consider micro sculpting a fascinating form of art to be lost because some management sharks prefer to pocket bigger profit margins.
I prefer guys like Aragorn Marks and JAG to continue to be able to provide for their families.


Sure boy, keep it up, lets see how much longer is Germany willing to bail you out.

We are talking about the same Germany whose companies bribed leading politicians in order to sell overpriced communication and weapon systems? The same that owes some billions of war reparations and theft of all the state gold? Surely you can't mean the ones who capitalize this crisis and gain billions for the money they are borrowing. But anyway Lee I can't see what all of this have to do with our subject here, I mean except that you run out of arguments in supporting medieval slave states and cheep corporation practices that would lead talented people to unemployment office and an art form extinct.
   
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A few things relating to my experience with 3D printers:

1) Plastic extrusion or powder-based won''t get to the same level of detail as stereolithography due to some fairly fundamental mechanical and material based limits.

2) The multi-coloured stuff that I've seen is powder based. If you've ever handled a finished product, it feels horrible. You can tell that it was made from powder. It won't take additional paint very well.

3) Having received a number of prints from shapeways, 100 microns is pretty decent, but still not a substitute for proper casts: striations still show up when inking or drybrushing.

4) 3D printing is slow, especially at the ridiculously high detail level (<= 100 microns) that we desire. It won't become a substitute for casting in production.

5) As much as I believe that we will use technology in fantastic new ways in the future, I can't imagine what uses an average middle-class family with 1.7 children will have for a home 3D printer on a regular basis. There are just so many aspects of timeliness, materials storage and usefulness, that I see it failing at many of the 'uses' suggested. In most cases that I can think of, it would be more efficient in tome money and space to buy a prefabricated item from a store. It might become a household item like a table-saw is a household item; yeah, a household could have one, but you're getting into fairly extreme territory. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong.
   
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Trasvi wrote:
A few things relating to my experience with 3D printers:

1) Plastic extrusion or powder-based won''t get to the same level of detail as stereolithography due to some fairly fundamental mechanical and material based limits.

2) The multi-coloured stuff that I've seen is powder based. If you've ever handled a finished product, it feels horrible. You can tell that it was made from powder. It won't take additional paint very well.

3) Having received a number of prints from shapeways, 100 microns is pretty decent, but still not a substitute for proper casts: striations still show up when inking or drybrushing.

4) 3D printing is slow, especially at the ridiculously high detail level (<= 100 microns) that we desire. It won't become a substitute for casting in production.

5) As much as I believe that we will use technology in fantastic new ways in the future, I can't imagine what uses an average middle-class family with 1.7 children will have for a home 3D printer on a regular basis. There are just so many aspects of timeliness, materials storage and usefulness, that I see it failing at many of the 'uses' suggested. In most cases that I can think of, it would be more efficient in tome money and space to buy a prefabricated item from a store. It might become a household item like a table-saw is a household item; yeah, a household could have one, but you're getting into fairly extreme territory. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong.


The idea is not to replace production right now, but replace the masters as well as securing you consistency on them, after all they might degrade but binary info stays inmutable.
   
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Trasvi wrote:
A few things relating to my experience with 3D printers:

1) Plastic extrusion or powder-based won''t get to the same level of detail as stereolithography due to some fairly fundamental mechanical and material based limits.

2) The multi-coloured stuff that I've seen is powder based. If you've ever handled a finished product, it feels horrible. You can tell that it was made from powder. It won't take additional paint very well.

3) Having received a number of prints from shapeways, 100 microns is pretty decent, but still not a substitute for proper casts: striations still show up when inking or drybrushing.

4) 3D printing is slow, especially at the ridiculously high detail level (<= 100 microns) that we desire. It won't become a substitute for casting in production.

5) As much as I believe that we will use technology in fantastic new ways in the future, I can't imagine what uses an average middle-class family with 1.7 children will have for a home 3D printer on a regular basis. There are just so many aspects of timeliness, materials storage and usefulness, that I see it failing at many of the 'uses' suggested. In most cases that I can think of, it would be more efficient in tome money and space to buy a prefabricated item from a store. It might become a household item like a table-saw is a household item; yeah, a household could have one, but you're getting into fairly extreme territory. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong.


This makes perfect sense to me. Nicely said.

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Is there an article on 3d printing yet on Dakka? Sounds like that would make sense, as this question comes up every month or two an there's a lot of rehashing of the same points...

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I've been considering getting some files together and opening up a section of the wiki/articles system to be tied around 3D printing in wargaming. I dont have time at the moment as I'm working on a load of other cool tweaks and features, but if someone was interested in taking the helm that I'd assist.

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Just throwing in my .02 cents, as someone that had these ideas about a decade ago, who has researched this stuff, and has worked with this stuff extensively: I don't really see this upending GW. What it will do IMO is continue the trend of small "garage kit" companies putting out increasingly more impressive and more detailed work. Mass production and someone actually challenging GW? No. 3D printing is too time consuming and too expensive. In all honesty (unless GW continues to increase prices), it would be more expensive to print yourself a squad of infantry than it would be to just go out and buy a unit (especially at the standard 20% discount available online).

At the end of the day, plastic injection molding will remain the best means of production (barring a sudden breakthrough in technology) and the barrier through which any potential GW competitior must break through in order to be successful or really impact GW. 3D printers will only really give Forgeworld a run for their money... but even then, my money is on Chinese recasters being a bigger threat.

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Hopefully it will get cheaper, if these printers are there why does GW keep on hiking prices?

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Because the printers have no impact on GW's business?

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 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
Hopefully it will get cheaper, if these printers are there why does GW keep on hiking prices?


tl;dr from above: 3d printers are much slower than GW's way of producing stuff.

Thus 3d printers will be interesting for gaming groups who make their own miniatures (or rather copies) instead of huge companies.

Then again, if GW keeps raising the prices like this, buying a 3d printer might be cheap for one person already...

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
Hopefully it will get cheaper, if these printers are there why does GW keep on hiking prices?


tl;dr from above: 3d printers are much slower than GW's way of producing stuff.

Thus 3d printers will be interesting for gaming groups who make their own miniatures (or rather copies) instead of huge companies.

Then again, if GW keeps raising the prices like this, buying a 3d printer might be cheap for one person already...


It actually is, guerrilla warfare stile, grab a 3d design or make one yourself for torsos and legs, like the 6 ed minis used to come (god those empire troopers were so easy to paint), get them printed and make cheap molds. You only spare arms and heads. Works wonders with scaven.
   
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Just saw this and thought I would add it into the discussion
http://www.makerbot.com/blog/tag/warhammer/

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Looks awesome. Comes at a big price tag, though.

   
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xxvaderxx wrote:
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xxvaderxx wrote:
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Call me romantic/nostalgic/retromaniac but I dont like at all to see traditional sculptors being replaced by Asian cyborgs that work 24/7 and get paid in half eaten sanwiches...


1- One US dollar in the US is not worth One US dollar in China, to think that they get payed less dollars equivalent thus have lower life quality standards is incorrect.

2- They would not get replaced. Design still needs prototypes, if anything the later steps of production change, which i may add they are not involved in those today either.


Actually they are been payed low wages for any standard and this happens because:

1 Labor rights is an unknown concept there
2 Hive mentality due to cultural background

Sculptors wont be replaced at once. At first they will become advisors, perhaps creative directors etc, untill the company management sees that el-cheepos or even talented young computer artists can do the same for less. Sorry but I think that all those traditional microsculptors are amazingly gifted persons and I would hate to see them not been able to earn their living. I would call it progress if the whole thing resulted to better and cheaper products, but we know that wont happen. The saved budget will end up in certain pockets.


1- Different cultures different laws, and again, when for $200 some one in China can pay the rent, groceries keep the lights and heat on and send their kids to school. Earning $300 in a 9 hour shift job is not really an issue for them, might be for the US workers but not them. You are trying to justify the US having a higher Dollar per man hour cost, by criticizing what you imagine are other countries life quality standards, while i agree in fringe cases, China is simply no longer one of them. The US opted to make its currency the reserve capital of the world, well other countries devaluating and loosing control of you currency is the price to pay. Further more, i would imagine that every country in the world who simply can not compete economically with the US will follow the monetary policy in China, its is the most tactically sound economic direction to take and i would only wish my own country got the head out of its $#"%$% and do it already.

2- I simply do not know how this relates to my second point. Artist are Artist, CAD or Sculp is only the medium, artist will retrain them selves with to use the new tools, just like programers learn new paradigms and languages.


1 Dear Lee, see the little flag? Im not American, Im Greek and i fully understand worldwide currency balance. I also am a designer and had to colaborate with Chinese. We only worried about chinese New Year Day. All the other dayswere an ongoing slave-party.
2 As someone that knows abit about art, offcourse computer arts are by any means ''arts'', but there is ''artist'' and there is ''program user''. The first creates, the second traces (Chasing Amy ).


On point 2 my friends that went to San Francisco Academy of Art would disagree. As art majors, I think they also say they know something about art.

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my lovely gal surprised my this past friday by ordering me a an ecksbot 3d printer as a surprise to me!

I realize this won't do 40k level detail, but is capable of doing armatures/hulls/weapons that I could sculpt onto, THEN cast masters from? (talking about doing my own custom turrets/tracks etc)


I realize it's not the BEST for 40k stuff, but figured I would post here to see if anyone has any ideas on what I could achieve with it.


Thanks mates

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 vim_the_good wrote:
Just saw this and thought I would add it into the discussion
http://www.makerbot.com/blog/tag/warhammer/


And it has already been crushed and removed from the 'thingverse' as infringement.

3D printing isn't going to make copyrights go away. A 3D Model of a copyrighted model is still derivative works.

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