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**Gitzbitah**

Embrace the Heresy! Diana is still an excellent jungler- you just have to rely on your pull maneuver to set off your shield.

**SagesStone**

Well yeh... It's mostly because I'm our support and they want to mix it up sometimes with a kill lane. I'd do better at top, but our top jungles worse than my abysmal attempts. I think it's because I learnt a lot about jungling to help my support role.

At least I managed to get them over the idea of jungle Teemo before S2 ended...

**Krellnus**

Hey, stonewall008 lost all faith in the game when he found he do a legit jungle teemo in the s3 jungle.

**Cheesecat**

LordofHats wrote:
On the bright side, Riot has said that Diana was over-nerfed and will be buffing her before the year ends

Almost every Diana I verse is is insanely fed wtf?

**LordofHats**

My position is that Diana isn't Op. She's just as face roll as face roll gets (so is Vi for that matter). it would take quite the feat to fail at playing Diana. W -> Q -> R -> E -> Repeat till dead.

She's no where near as strong as a properly played Riven, Garen, or Darius (all champions who fill the same basic role) so why she got nerfed over them baffles me. She's just easy to play so any idiot can do it.

**JohnnoM**

Darius nerf? Please... he doesn't need a nerf.

**SagesStone**

Krellnus wrote:
Hey, stonewall008 lost all faith in the game when he found he do a legit jungle teemo in the s3 jungle.

That tempts me in a way. I know if you have a decent Teemo at top you can forget about counter jungling that half. The main issue I had with him was his clear speed and that he needed a partner to carry him for the first round. 4 mins is the, or was the, time to aim for. Under and it's awesome, over and it's not really.

Once he got past that though; Super Jungler Roamer Teemo. Until Taric realises he's Taric and stuns you.

**MrDwhitey**

JohnnoM wrote:
Darius nerf? Please... he doesn't need a nerf.

You sound like a Darius top player...

**LordofHats**

I don't even advocate nerfing Darius to be honest. I prefer buffing weak champions over nerfing strong ones.

I'm just pointed out that comparatively Darius when in the hands of a capable player performs better than Diana in the same role (not that Diana is a weak performer herself). EDIT: Assuming Diana was built to bruise and clean up after team fights (which is what I think she's best at). Assassin Diana if she snowballs can be really hard to manage mid-game.

**JohnnoM**

MrDwhitey wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Darius nerf? Please... he doesn't need a nerf.

You sound like a Darius top player...

What?

I, er uh, I dont think so

**MrDwhitey**

I was just kidding.

I don't have much problem versus Darius top with my Vlad.

**SagesStone**

Well I've experimenting with jungle Vi now... it works for some reason.

Comboing her Q and ulti together are quite fun. Have the ability to enter the lane for a gank like Lee Sin pretty much, but while yelling "get dunked".

**LordofHats**

Vi has awesome strong ganks. Her downside is that I think she literally has the lowest base attack speed in the game so early on she needs hard leash on wolves and blue to get by. Once she's started racking up some g though she can power on through with the best of the speed junglers and has much more reliable ganks than some of them.

Also. Q can go through walls. Win.

**SagesStone**

Her Q fully charged has pretty much the same range as Lee Sin's kick. She can also solo jungle if she starts at blue instead of wolves.

I've had to more or less practice without leashes at the moment, but starting wolves instead seems to bring her a bit low for my liking.

The trick to her seems to be getting that E timing just right to speed up her attacks as it resets it. I got my clear time down to about 4 mins and it seems to just stick around that which isn't so bad. One thing I like too is that Q will apply on hits to everything it hits and if they're standing close enough it can hit multiple people. Just means I can Q through a wave to hit the target and have red buff going on so many things at once.

Her weakness, to me, though is staying with the target. I want to try something like Trinity, but she seems to need Frozen Mallet for the reliable slows. Her ult has to be one of the most fun skills in the game as well.

One last thing to remember is that passive. Just left a team fight and ignite will probably kill you? E a minion to proc your passive shield and all good. Even Qing through them for escapes. Nothing like leaving a fight on 20 and being able to just go to the wraith camp and clear it at about level 10.

**rockerbikie**

She snowballs too fast in my opinion.

**Boss Salvage**

Topping with Nasus last night, our VI wandered up and wanted to push. I had to whine and beg her to leave so I could farm - her Q + E combo nukes waves pretty ridiculously

Otherwise she was totally awesome to have on our side

- Salvage

**Cheesecat**

Udyr needs a bit of a rework as a champ.

**cerealkiller195**

after a few games of facing off against vi (usually as malph) i think she is great for 1v1 or picking off isolated targets. But doesn't offer much in the way of a team fight.

**Dreadwinter**

Cheesecat wrote:
Udyr needs a bit of a rework as a champ.

Yeah, a little bit. Which makes me sad, since he is my favorite character to play. He is great at peeling off your ADC in a team fight.

**Gitzbitah**

He has kind of disappeared, hasn't he? Was it the new items that did it, or has one of the new releases outclassed him? I've never played him myself.

**Cheesecat**

Gitzbitah wrote:
He has kind of disappeared, hasn't he? Was it the new items that did it, or has one of the new releases outclassed him? I've never played him myself.

He has good jungle clearing and damage, but but bear stance doesn't get him into battle quick enough and enemy cc makes it too hard to stay on the squishie when the stun of bear stance is gone, unlike hecarim's charges, warwick's ult or lee sin's sonic wave which are way harder to

avoid.

**JohnnoM**

Hes great for fun games.

**SagesStone**

Like Fiora...

**JohnnoM**

I hate fiora, especially when the other people dont know how to play against her.

**SagesStone**

She's fun, just pretty bad. Her ult I find is better to forget about in team fights and to go for 1-2 people.

**JohnnoM**

I could agree with that. Also, I think jungle Diana is beast.

Edit: Also, Kha'zix is actually the most OP solo top in game atm.

**Cheesecat**

Also does anyone find the vocals for Vi's music annoying?

**JohnnoM**

Cheesecat wrote:
Also does anyone find the vocals for Vi's music annoying?

Yep, so much so that I've muted it. Its annoying, because if it were sung by a male metal singer, it could be an AMAZING song.

**Cheesecat**

JohnnoM wrote:
Cheesecat wrote:
Also does anyone find the vocals for Vi's music annoying?

Yep, so much so that I've muted it. Its annoying, because if it were sung by a male metal singer, it could be an AMAZING song.

Honesty if there was no vocals I think it would be an OK song as well.

**JohnnoM**

Cheesecat wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Cheesecat wrote:
Also does anyone find the vocals for Vi's music annoying?

Yep, so much so that I've muted it. Its annoying, because if it were sung by a male metal singer, it could be an AMAZING song.

Honesty if there was no vocals I think it would be an OK song as well.

That too, but it needs vocals because its for Riot etc.