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**Gitzbitah**

Mine doesn't want to patch now, for whatever reason. It keeps jamming at 99%.

**JohnnoM**

Try re-installing, otherwise, google it.

**LordofHats**

So I picked up Eve and Sion cause they're the last of the 1350 IP champs I didn't already have and all I have to say is this: Eve is creepy, and damn does she hurt. I made a CC slow build for her just to screw around and it worked so well I'm curious how it'll perform in ranked.

**JohnnoM**

Eve is indeed quite the female dog, if ya know what i mean

. Sion can be quite annoying as well, due to the Shield, stun, boom, smack upside the die, kill tactic.

**Gitzbitah**

Phew, got it patched back after a reinstall and some google-fu.

Xin is such an easy jungle! He's even got some nasty teamfight presence with his mighty 'r'.

**YotsubaSnake**

I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls.

LordofHats wrote:
So I picked up Eve and Sion cause they're the last of the 1350 IP champs I didn't already have and all I have to say is this: Eve is creepy, and damn does she hurt. I made a CC slow build for her just to screw around and it worked so well I'm curious how it'll perform in ranked.

I've been learning AP Sion and he hits like a train. I'll probably try AD as well, but I like the idea of just catching and wrecking someone. Having a stun that can also deal 600+ magic damage is ridiculous.

**ruminator**

YotsubaSnake wrote:
I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..

I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...

**YotsubaSnake**

ruminator wrote:
YotsubaSnake wrote:
I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..

I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...

My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.

**WhazzDakka Da 3rd**

Anyone else here a fan of Critplank?

**LordofHats**

Critplank is so 2009

I'm a fan of tankplank. That's some fun stuff.

**Boss Salvage**

WhazzDakka Da 3rd wrote:
Anyone else here a fan of Critplank?

Just busted Critplank out this morning ... and sucked it up

Haven't played GP in months, guess I'll stick with Voli / Swain

- Salvage

**WhazzDakka Da 3rd**

I main Voli. But I build critplank tanky as well.

**ruminator**

YotsubaSnake wrote:
ruminator wrote:
YotsubaSnake wrote:
I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..

I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...

My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.

Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.

I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?

**JohnnoM**

ruminator wrote:

Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.

I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?

Ikr i mean, how can you not know how to do it all? I could do it all by level 20.

**Krellnus**

ruminator wrote:
YotsubaSnake wrote:
ruminator wrote:
YotsubaSnake wrote:
I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..

I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...

My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.

Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.

I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?

Apparently with xp boosts its possible to get to ranked with as little as thirty games, thirty!

**SagesStone**

I see quite a few 30s with about ~200 wins anyway. They do give you 400RP for free so the sensible thing is to use that for xp boost.

**YotsubaSnake**

ruminator wrote:

Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.

I'm in the process of learning how to lane in top better. The major difference I have is that I cannot seem to find a way to farm without pushing hard. I realized that I need to figure out how after two games of getting the early CS, backing them up and watching them farm in safety and then playing a game where I was against Wukong and Akali top by myself as Vi and farmed ridiculously well under my own tower. It's just something I'll have to practice and get better with over time.

I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?

I wonder that too. I've been playing normals with a friend the past few weeks and he's about Lv21 now, but ever since he hit 15, we've been playing with lv20-25 summoners who just have no clue what in the heck they are doing. Now that my friend has T3 runes, he's tearing them all up something fierce.

**rockerbikie**

WhazzDakka Da 3rd wrote:
Anyone else here a fan of Critplank?

I build Gangplank as a semi-carry. Ninja Tabi, Trinity Force, Infinity Edge, Warmog's, Altma's Impaler, (situational item)

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YotsubaSnake wrote:
ruminator wrote:

Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.

I'm in the process of learning how to lane in top better. The major difference I have is that I cannot seem to find a way to farm without pushing hard. I realized that I need to figure out how after two games of getting the early CS, backing them up and watching them farm in safety and then playing a game where I was against Wukong and Akali top by myself as Vi and farmed ridiculously well under my own tower. It's just something I'll have to practice and get better with over time.

I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?

I wonder that too. I've been playing normals with a friend the past few weeks and he's about Lv21 now, but ever since he hit 15, we've been playing with lv20-25 summoners who just have no clue what in the heck they are doing. Now that my friend has T3 runes, he's tearing them all up something fierce.

People have no clue generally what to do between 5-30 summoner level. People pick what they please, choose wrong lane, don't know the meta, pick wrong summoner spells, pick bad items combo, don't last hit and don't play well in general. I pubsqashed as Kassadin between 18-30. From 6-18 I couldn't not play Kassadin mid because people who send an adc mid and I would struggle because Kassadin is the anti-mage. I played Talon 6-18.

**ruminator**

I'm loving AP Teemo at the moment, but keep getting stupid team combos at the mo. Ending up having to play him mid which is often a struggle due to lack of range but held off a Fizz until a Nautilus decided to feed their team about 10 kills in 10 minutes. I was 7-2-4 and the game didn't get to 25 mins ...

Played Garen in last game as we had 3 ranged already and ended up bottom with Olaf as Teemo/Irelia went top! They fed the other team's Olaf - he had 11 kills in 18 mins and we resigned on 20 even though I'd just got frozen mallet, running 5/3/3 and really starting to roll. One death to a roaming Olaf (no SS) and 2 to Kennen/Ashe on a double stun, so stopping my Q.

What is it with people chosing lanes before they've even chose a champion? They type "mid" or "top" within about 10 seconds of joining and then don't select a champion until the 10 second timer kicks in and the team balance is then completely out.

**AlexHolker**

I just had a very short game, where Sivir (me) and Heimerdinger rolled up the top lane, killing everything in our path. We reached the enemy base with just our starting equipment and ~4,000 gold apiece.

**JohnnoM**

Please dont tell me you build Runaan's first on your Teemo, Ruminator?

**Dreadwinter**

Just picked up Zed from this weeks sale and played a bot game with him to get the feel of his kit. This guy is going to take a ton of finesse to get just right.

Any Zed tips? Personally, I like him because I can either be Shredder or Stormshadow.

**ruminator**

JohnnoM wrote:
Please dont tell me you build Runaan's first on your Teemo, Ruminator?

Not a chance! Beserkers greaves then build into Nashor's - AP and attack speed in one item that can be built in nice easy 400-500 gold steps. Build from there is flexible, but if rolling large farms I will try to go for Rabaddon. Sheen into Trinity is also nice.

Tried Runaan's for fun but not a fan. You're just maxing on attack speed with no real damage applied - and split attacks is not that helfpul vs champions. With Nashors, greaves and runes I'm probably knocking on 1.4-1.5 speed anyway and if I hit trinity I'm into 1.6 territory. That's plenty for killing farm and AP Teemo is all about the extra damage on the first blind/toxin - not masses of hits ... oh, and super shrooms of course!

**YotsubaSnake**

Ever since Season 3, I found that my way of building teemo got a bit easier, and also became the recommended build. I've always liked to build Teemo "on-hit" to capitalize for his speed, mobility and hard impact of that first dart only to GTFO. Makes you a laning menace and a mid-game terror.

Because of that, I usually start boots-pots into a fast malady, which gives the magic damage to hit as well as an MR reduction on your target to improve the actual damage of your poison ticks. From there, depending on the other team's comp I build tabi or mercs for defense and then flow into either a wit's end or a frozen mallet. This allows me to secure kills mid game.

It's the only build that can justify a runyan's on Teemo, and only towards the end game. If you find your team just has a weaker teamfight presence, grabing a runyan's really helps spread your effects around. Landry's + frozen just cuts through a beefy team by murdering 10% of their remaining health per hit and allows me to feel like the bloodrazor still exists. But only if you need that extra punch in the teamfights.

An interesting option (and controvertial amongst my playgroup) is instead of a malady start, rushing into a wriggle's. It gives you armor, attack, life steal and extra punch against minions to make you a farming machine as well as a ward to allow you to push harder while being able to see the ganks coming. You will own the top lane if you build that in the right matchup.

**SagesStone**

Apparently Quinn is being patched into the PBE at the moment. When it comes back up I'll try a couple of games and let you guys know how they feel.

For now though her skill set is leaked.

Quinn and Valor - [Passive] - Harrier
Valor periodically marks enemies as Vulnerable. Quinn's first attack against Vulnerable targets will deal bonus physical damage.

Quinn and Valor - [Q] - Blinding Assault
Valor flies in a line and strikes the first enemy in his path. He then attacks all nearby enemies to deal 70/110/150/190/230 (+) physical damage and blind them for 1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 seconds.

As Valor: Performs the same attack at the current location.

Cost: 60/65/70/75/80 Mana

Range: 1025

Cooldown: 11/10/9/8/7

Quinn and Valor - [W] - Heightened Senses
Passive: Attacking a Vulnerable target will increase Quinn's Attack Speed by 20/25/30/35/40% for 3/3/3/3/3 seconds.

Passive as Valor: Gains 40/50/60/70/80% Attack Speed.

Active: Valor reveals a large area nearby for 2/2/2/2/2 seconds.

Cost:

Range: 2100

Cooldown: 50/45/40/35/30

Quinn and Valor - [E] - Vault
Quinn dashes to an enemy, dealing 40/70/100/130/160 (+) physical damage and slowing the target's Movement Speed by 70/70/70/70/70% (this effect diminishes over 2/2/2/2/2 seconds). Upon reaching the target, she leaps off and lands near her maximum attack range from it. Valor will immediately mark this enemy as Vulnerable.

As Valor: Performs the same attack but does not mark or leap off the target.

Cost: 50/50/50/50/50 Mana

Range: 750

Cooldown: 12/11/10/9/8

Quinn and Valor - [R] - Tag Team
First Cast: Valor replaces Quinn on the battlefield as a mobile melee attacker for 20/20/20 seconds. Valor gains +80/80/80% Movement Speed, decreased gradually to +20/20/20% when in combat.

Second Cast: Quinn returns to perform Skystrike, dealing from 130/185/240 (+) to 260/370/480 (+) physical damage to all enemies in a large area, increasing based on how much health they are missing.

If Skystrike has not been cast before this ability ends, it will be cast automatically.

Cost: 100/100/100 Mana

Range: 700

Cooldown: 140/120/100

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23181-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-2-14-quinn-is-here

Keep in mind it is PBE, not final.

**AlexHolker**

Does anyone own Cassiopeia? If you do, do you like her?

**LordofHats**

Cass is a very hard champion to play properly. On the one hand, she has probably one of the easiest times winning her lane of any champion. Go up, plant a dot on the ground to kill the minion lines to get farm and naturally your own lines will end up pushing down the opposing tower.

However, her abilities take skill to properly land as they are two aoes, a targeted spell, and a cone. How well you can use her ult really determines how well you play her which can be hard. It's basically a super Sona ult that stuns anyone facing Cass but only slows them if their not. Getting that stun off is a team fight winner but if you can't get it off than Cass is just not as useful as other AP carries especially since she has no escapes and is very immobile.

I don't like her but that's just because shes not my cup of snake venom.

**Gitzbitah**

Sounds like Quinn is a mid range ADC who uses her ult to secure kills. I really like the harrier idea.

I've played Cass on a few free weeks, can't say I ever much cared for her. She's a quirky mostly dot mage who also wants to burst you at close range.

**ruminator**

Gitzbitah wrote:
Sounds like Quinn is a mid range ADC who uses her ult to secure kills. I really like the harrier idea.

I've played Cass on a few free weeks, can't say I ever much cared for her. She's a quirky mostly dot mage who also wants to burst you at close range.

If she gets fed early in lane she can stack AP items and really steam-roll for a while. She does though tail off pretty hard late game, so needs to make that advantage count hard. Tend to play against rather than with and late game problems is because she needs to get close enough for champs to dive in/stun her and then can't escape.

**AlexHolker**

Thanks for the responses. I might pick up a different champion then, and leave Cass for later.