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 YotsubaSnake wrote:

cerealkiller195 wrote:

The passive off his Q does a good amount of poke damage especially in the early levels of the game. So you will usually be able to harass the opposing support. What i love running on my supports is boots of mobility, it doesn't seem like a big upgrade. But when you are running down enemy champs to chain stun/root them for your team to catch up its a big deal.

Yeah it does, sad the next patch is gonna shift that passive to his flay :<

I love to run movement quints myself. It allows me to delay buying boots until much later than normal. I main Nami and I'm moving as fast as most champs with T2 boots without them :3c

I personally feel I'm about to cusp the "next level" in playing support. I've gotten the general flow of things down to an art form from warding to battle control. It's a shame I'm stuck in Silver V for now haha.

Thresh is my most used champion in ranked now. Inspired by Edward replays! Flay is actually really useful not for the damage so much as the knock-back. Great for shedding champions trying to hunt you down - try the Q,R,E,W combo in team fights to keep your target unable to fight back for a good few seconds so they get wasted by your team. W then allows you to retreat back while giving your bruisers some protection. I do seem to really need cooldown reduction on thresh as his Q and W do seem to take too long to refresh. the E is pretty quick though.

Good item is Shurelya's as it builds from philosophers stone and kindle-gem - both useful items - and then you get the movement buff which is pretty useful (although I keep on forgetting to use it).

Grab is not as good as Blitz mainly due to wind up, but everything else is far better for a support - shield, CC control, slow.

Oh how I hate that message..."You have qualified!"

Brace yourselves, autolose is coming

/e:....aaaaaaaand two unwinnable matches in a row. I hate people.

So, what's everyone think of the latest patch?

Lissandra, when played properly, is ungankable in early game. You go anywhere close to her, and bam! She's moved 3 flash distances away. However, she seems to fall apart late game, and can be dismantled without too much fuss. I like her ulti though. Fancy mechanic.

Sejuani seems very much as she always did in honesty, but an updated skin seems swanky.

Trundle, has been one of my top favorite champs for a long time, so naturally I was very worried about changes being made to him. But, he seems to have been buffed quite nicely. With his ult up, and his contaminate down, he is very very tough to kill, and is an absolute nightmare to escape from. I'm glad they made a 'classic' trundle skin; I much prefer a unique champ, than a WoW Ice Troll. (That and I love the pillar of feces that old trundle had; was very glad that the'classic' trundle makeover retains the poo pillar!) Speaking of his pillar, the knock up it has now, is much more useful than I thought it'd be. Makes him a bit of a nightmare to escape from!

New map is nice, I love that ARAM is now seen as an official thing haha! Only gripe is it's now become more or less a serious affair. Old ARAM was always a chilled, and fun state of affairs, especially after a stressful game or two! Ah well, gripes aside, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think of it!

 ghosty wrote:
New map is nice, I love that ARAM is now seen as an official thing haha! Only gripe is it's now become more or less a serious affair. Old ARAM was always a chilled, and fun state of affairs, especially after a stressful game or two! Ah well, gripes aside, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think of it!

I'm just hoping that the new matchmaking makes it easier to get a game going. I've waited ridiculous amounts of time to get a game started because dodgers hating who they got randomed into. I don't play ARAM often, but when I get the itch I hope it's much easier to scratch now.

Lissandra looks really interesting to me. I thought about picking her up, but I'll probably wait until she drops to 6300 so I can understand more of how she plays.

Nasus nerf was much needed, the old slow was pretty ridiculous. Good, mostly subtle balance changes. Haven't seen the new champ yet in ranked.

I'm definitely liking the new patch so far. Sejuani plays the same, and I can always go back to her Traditional skin if I feel like it. A bunch of my champions got buffed. ARAM is pretty fun and gives out good IP. My only complaint is that I'm unsure about Ashe's new voice.

Yes I think thresh is better than blitzcrank in many areas though I still hate that rocket grab when it steals buffs or team mates through walls.

I'm also a huge fan of Leona the chain lock down abilities that she has makes her quite mean. Her work makes her resident to a lot of damage and when it pops the sudden burst of damage makes most people reconsider staying in the fight.

Played a few games of aram it is a lot of fun for the same reason I loved playing small games of 40k. Limited pool of resources that you have to make work for you.

ARAM is kinda bad, 4 games last night and 3 of them was all ranged vs all Melee... Melee didn't do much and game was over in 12-14 Min.

Actually prefer ARAM above all other formats, but I dont play ranked. Mostly because it lets you play and play against champs you never really see in normal play. Plus the game jumps to action almost right away instead of the farm phase / team fight phase of Summoner's Rift.

ARAM is a good way to practice control in chaotic team fights. It makes it a bit more obvious what uses supports and assassins have when on SR they can be a bit more difficult to see.

Agreed.... and it will definitely up your assassin game if you have to pick your moment in a full teamfight all the way through the game.

I was able to get Annie in one game of ARAM, and my oh my is she potent in that with Tibbers stun + Aoe Cone stuns.


You don't have time to get lane ganked or out laned from her shorter ranged then the other mid champs that are taking over.

Geez, finally Silver II.

It's fun when you lose 3 games in a row and lose about 7-10 LP every time, but then gain 41 LP for winning one match.

Looks like my hidden ELO disagrees with my teams

 Sigvatr wrote:
Geez, finally Silver II.

It's fun when you lose 3 games in a row and lose about 7-10 LP every time, but then gain 41 LP for winning one match.

Looks like my hidden ELO disagrees with my teams

I only seem to gain about 14 and lose 20 lately. kinda frustrating when I want to claw my way out of the bowels of ELO hell that is known as Silver V and you lose all of your points from your hotstreak in one game.

It's about Hidden ELO, a special score that runs individually of LP etc., the higher the hidden ELO, the lower your loss and the higher the amount of LP you gain when winning.

E.g. you win a lot, qualify, then fail to complete the series for two times. You therefore have more wins than losses and your hidden ELO increases. As a consequence, it's faster to qualify again and therefore, you get more shots at qualifying. Also influenced by your Normal Game ELO.

...and remember: LoLking score /= ELO.

Special tip: if you are good and play solo queue, play support. A good adc can win you the game, but you are still stuck with 1 bad player. A very good support can even make a mediocre adc a viable addition to your team. Best solo queue player in ranked right now? Support player.

i stopped playing rank consistently after a few games of people disconnecting or wanting to surrender if one thing went wrong. I will eventually make my way back into rank games but for now just doing tons of normal games.

that is a good tip though! supports do not get enough praise, people think the adc is doing all the work and gets fed. But its the support that not only gets him there but gets the team as a whole out of a tough bind (pending champ of course).

What i never understood is why some players believe that only supports should buy wards? What is with that?! If everyone bought a ward to help gain vision on enemy movement you will never be caught unaware and you can even catch the enemy team if they are trying to do something sneaky..

I'm someone who does main support in ranked and I've said it many times, but I will say it again. I almost instantly ignore people lately if they complain at me for not warding enough. I'm mostly just too lazy to tell them "If you look at the map, there's usually 3-4 wards in key traffic areas. They weren't there, so why did you go into that one, unlit area where they most likely were by yourself?"

I'm well aware of good supports feeding decent ADCs to be dangerous. I always try to let my ADCs know that I'm there to protect them and just for them to farm safely until they make a mistake. This way, they think we're being scared, overextend and we get a double kill. Had a 4 man gank on my lane the other day (thankfully, our mid followed theirs) and as we danced around our tower, the dust settled with us up a kill (Was a sona w/ ashe). Would have had more, but I didn't hit 6 until right as it was ending so my creshendo did nothing.

After a while you can just learn to subtly lead the ADCs like pets depending on how aggressive you play as support.

 n0t_u wrote:
After a while you can just learn to subtly lead the ADCs like pets depending on how aggressive you play as support.

I'm still bronze and mainly suport and ADC is the most variable skill level role I see. Many other lanes are pretty consistent but ADCs are either terrible or brilliant and rarely inbetween. I struggle to control the ADCs at all as they are getting impossible to second guess ...

I treat my ADC like "special" children...aka do all the work and save their butts all the time, but at every kill I go "gj man!" to make them feel good and carry on.

I am so done with playing support. Really. I am fed up with having terrible adc ruining my games despite my very best efforts.

Gonna Miss Fortune my way through those mofos now.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I am so done with playing support. Really. I am fed up with having terrible adc ruining my games despite my very best efforts.

Gonna Miss Fortune my way through those mofos now.

Then it is time to learn the unconventional supports, and side-carry. Morgana is a great example of this noble subgenre, as is the dreaded Mundo Cleaverama. Serious bonus points for this one if you communicate solely through MUNDOS. This usually only works in pugs, but it can be done with a wide variety of characters.

i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.

Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.

Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.

Well, tbf, Karma is really bad

cerealkiller195 wrote:
i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.

Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.

Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.

It's because of people seeing Sona/Taric/Soraka as the traditional supports. If you don't play those, you're not playing support. They also see that those characters don't have impressive statlines, which means to them they don't do anything besides buy wards. These are players who try to represent themselves by quantifiable values like K/D/A or CS, when a good support providesa presence that is not measurable by quantifiable means, things such as:

- Sona ult catching four people at the begning of a team fight
- Soraka ult healing enough to turn a certan loss to a unquestionable victory in a teamfight
- Taric stun shutting down a fed assassin in teamfights
- Nami bubbles/speedboosts saving overextended/caught out allies
- Leona stunlocking the opposing ADC into oblivion

The reason why non-traditional supports tend to be so effective is because they forgo the normal CC and Wards approach to supporting that they can't adjust to it. I know I actually have this problem whenever Blitzcrank goes unbanned and the other team gets it. I'm just not used to playing against him and I get absolutely dominated. But it's reasons like this that allow Elise to be such a unique support option. I suspect Lisandra will be in the same boat, they provide solid CC and the ability to break out of their support roles when fed and actually carry the game themselves.

 YotsubaSnake wrote:

cerealkiller195 wrote:
i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.

Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.

Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.

It's because of people seeing Sona/Taric/Soraka as the traditional supports. If you don't play those, you're not playing support. They also see that those characters don't have impressive statlines, which means to them they don't do anything besides buy wards. These are players who try to represent themselves by quantifiable values like K/D/A or CS, when a good support providesa presence that is not measurable by quantifiable means, things such as:

- Sona ult catching four people at the begning of a team fight
- Soraka ult healing enough to turn a certan loss to a unquestionable victory in a teamfight
- Taric stun shutting down a fed assassin in teamfights
- Nami bubbles/speedboosts saving overextended/caught out allies
- Leona stunlocking the opposing ADC into oblivion

The reason why non-traditional supports tend to be so effective is because they forgo the normal CC and Wards approach to supporting that they can't adjust to it. I know I actually have this problem whenever Blitzcrank goes unbanned and the other team gets it. I'm just not used to playing against him and I get absolutely dominated. But it's reasons like this that allow Elise to be such a unique support option. I suspect Lisandra will be in the same boat, they provide solid CC and the ability to break out of their support roles when fed and actually carry the game themselves.

My only issue with non tradition supports is that you do relatively have to be coordinated with your ad partner. some more obvious than others but still. if the AD dosnt react properly to say a Panthion stun/blitz grab, or even a alistar head/pulv combo you are more likely to get harassed out, then need to sit out for a while as you regen leaving your lane weakened overall.

but god help me a coordinated/ duo que pantie kill lane is so much fun.
(well in rank anyway.)

one of my favorite combo is actually shaco support lane. where shaco roams super early to steal enemy red or blue depending on the lane setup. (always funny)

I really prefer Janna now for support, if I should decide to go back or wasn't fast enough to hammer "ADC" in the chat. She provides you with anything you will ever need, is almost ungankable, has incredible AP ratios and hard counters stuff like Nunu and MF.

Taric is just...lacking. I mean...his ultimate is absolute garbage. His ult does the same as Sona's Q! And it's his ULTIMATE! That's just ridiculous. He has a reliable stun but that's about it. Overall, not worth it.

ADC wise, I just go for Tristana now. Old school at its best. Simple, effective, good cc. Bring it on.

Ranked is terrible. Like...terrible. Whereas in Normal Games, I usually play with Diamond - Gold people, in Ranked, I am stuck in Silver II with some really, really dumb people. And I start to see a routine...win all matches until promotion. Win the first promotional match. Lose the two others by a long shot. It's so ridiculous -_- ''

THEY KILLED TRUNDLE!


So disheartening..... Trundle and Urgot were the two characters I played when I started playing that game..... While Urgot isn't next, Morrello has stated they don't like him at all.


Now all they have to do is change Viktor for the worse :/

I didn't think they made any major changes to Trundle?

Apropos Trundle & Supporting: I still need to get back into playing Trundle on support ... Just getting the hang of Eve - SPIKES EVERYWHERE - isn't helping the situation

- Salvage