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 streamdragon wrote:
I didn't think they made any major changes to Trundle?

Turning him from a unique pestilent runt troll into a Troll Starscream is "Not a major change"?

The changed his lore but his skills I thought were just being renamed and tweaked.

 LordofHats wrote:
The changed his lore but his skills I thought were just being renamed and tweaked.

People actually care about LoL's story? Next someone will be telling me the tooth fairy is real.

^ I couldn't care less about the story, but the character is what I felt was important. Again, he went from a pretty unique character in the Fantasy genre, to Troll Starscream.

 LordofHats wrote:
The changed his lore but his skills I thought were just being renamed and tweaked.

Ignoring how they completely changed the character (Which isn't a good sign for other, underpopular characters), they removed the tiny thing that made Trundle Trundle; his Tenacity Bonus.

Trundle was always the guy whom could not be held down in a fight, kinda like Irelia. They removed the Tenacity Bonus and gave him a Small bonus heal, which does no where near as much for his survivability. While I like the % health on his ult, it was honestly unneeded, as were most of the changes; all he actually needed was his Q to have a better animation/cast time, and he would have been perfect.

Trundle Before: Drop your Contaminate, make a beline for the back line, and slow/shred resists where needed. CC did nothing, so you just had to be tanky enough to take a few hits until your ADC dropped someone.

Trundle Now: Drop King's Domain or whatever it's called, and hope a minion wave keeps you alive long enough for you to start getting bonus health from your Lifesteal.

Huh... so the theory is with Trundle that you are a leet Pillarsmith, and keep your health up from your passive.
Very, very interesting idea. If I wasn't saving for Lissandra I might just try that out.

I just experienced late game Lux for the first time on ARAM. It's fun having Final Spark on a 30 second cooldown, with mana regeneration to match.

 AlexHolker wrote:
I just experienced late game Lux for the first time on ARAM. It's fun having Final Spark on a 30 second cooldown, with mana regeneration to match.

That's just late game Lux, period. I'm kinda sad that they increased her cooldown on her ult a couple patches ago, it used to be ~20 sec cooldown which was absolutely insane and I loved playing her in the Mid Lane just for that. It's still good, but not as good. I won't be able to spam it as much and weed out the bad players on my team when they complain that I'm "wasting my ult on minions" when I'm casting it nearly 3 times a minute.

Gitzbitah wrote:
Huh... so the theory is with Trundle that you are a leet Pillarsmith, and keep your health up from your passive.
Very, very interesting idea. If I wasn't saving for Lissandra I might just try that out.

Nah, decent Trundle Players can put a wall up to cut off an escape.

Good Trundle players can stick a pillar in between their assassin/Bruiser and your ADC, keeping them away and allowing your ADC to keep fighting/escape.

I think I broke the game. Got trolled out of Silver I qualification 4 times, then decided to feth it, rolled Heimerdinger, made it to S1.

What the feck.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I think I broke the game. Got trolled out of Silver I qualification 4 times, then decided to feth it, rolled Heimerdinger, made it to S1.

What the feck.

Oddly I often find that I do better when I don't give a gak

It's just very frustrating to get qualified, win first, lose two others with *horror* teams, then win all games until quali...repeat. For three more times in a row.

Oh, and Lulu free week is awesome, made me sure I don't get her. Her poking is unreliable and extremely mana-intensive if done right (else the range is too short) and the shield is lackluster. The ult is awesome and the transformation is good too, but overall, I still prefer Janna due to having tons of cc and even sustain. Or Sona for superior poking. Thinking about getting Leona, but fearing the adc I sometimes end up with...

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's just very frustrating to get qualified, win first, lose two others with *horror* teams, then win all games until quali...repeat. For three more times in a row.

Oh, and Lulu free week is awesome, made me sure I don't get her. Her poking is unreliable and extremely mana-intensive if done right (else the range is too short) and the shield is lackluster. The ult is awesome and the transformation is good too, but overall, I still prefer Janna due to having tons of cc and even sustain. Or Sona for superior poking. Thinking about getting Leona, but fearing the adc I sometimes end up with...

Lulu is a support that really requires strong communication with your team to work properly, that's just not something you can do in solo queue. The reason why is that even though her kit is incredibly versatile, your ADC needs to know what's going on as much as you do and know what to expect in terms of all the CC and boosts that can come out of her kit.

Just had a great game with Nidalee on ARAM. I ended up with Seraph's Embrace, Muramana, Deathfire Grasp, Zhona's Hourglass, Rabadon's Deathcap, Morellonomicon and 853 AP. Did 52,000 champion damage and 32,000 healing.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Just had a great game with Nidalee on ARAM

Well you're special.

Just played my first LoL game in like... 4 months

Absolutely terrible time playing. Not because I sucked (which I did, I've been trying to figure out where I fit into League's system. And I had the absolute worst time...

It was a bot game, and 2 of our players disconnected, I was trying to hold bot with Kayle (first game with her, and she does healing, which is something I was pretty good at in other games). So the entire game we had 1 person, who was obviously quite better than one of the other players and myself, who kept spamming the chat with "Report Kayle" and "Report Darius" just over and over. We said, "why don't you tell us what we're doing wrong instead of just yelling at us." Cassiopeia (the champ the guy was playing) then proceeded to call the Darius player a noob whenever he would say something in chat, and then we all grouped up and made a push down the center lane. Did okay too, and then we ran back as 3 of their champions were chasing us down. We regrouped, I followed Cassi around giving heals and invulns where I could, we got ganked by their entire team and then it was just a stream of "Report Kayle" over and over I told Cassi that my stuff was on CD, and I did heal and invuln her. And then as I was following her, she was having some difficulty with this big neutral monster that gives you a blue buff. I healed her since she was low on health, and tossed out my Q with Kayle and got the last hit (getting me the buff, which I didn't know was going to happen).

After tossing a stream of "Report Kayle for KS blue" the Cassi player "disconnected" (Though her icon on the left hand of my screen still had a green dot, which I assumed meant she was still actually in the game. I got teamwork honors and I gave teamwork honors to the one guy that stuck around with me, even though we lost. I reported the Cassi player for negative play and put the player on ignore...

It was just the worst experience ever :-\ Surprisingly enough, I had never had such an experience in Dota 2 (not starting an argument, just saying that my play in Dota 2 was more enjoyable) which sucks because I do enjoy both of the games... It's just I have less inclination to play LoL if I'm playing bot games and I'm getting yelled at like a championship is on the line D:

 Alfndrate wrote:
It was a bot game, and 2 of our players disconnected, I was trying to hold bot with Kayle (first game with her, and she does healing, which is something I was pretty good at in other games). So the entire game we had 1 person, who was obviously quite better than one of the other players and myself, who kept spamming the chat with "Report Kayle" and "Report Darius" just over and over. We said, "why don't you tell us what we're doing wrong instead of just yelling at us." Cassiopeia (the champ the guy was playing) then proceeded to call the Darius player a noob whenever he would say something in chat, and then we all grouped up and made a push down the center lane. Did okay too, and then we ran back as 3 of their champions were chasing us down. We regrouped, I followed Cassi around giving heals and invulns where I could, we got ganked by their entire team and then it was just a stream of "Report Kayle" over and over I told Cassi that my stuff was on CD, and I did heal and invuln her. And then as I was following her, she was having some difficulty with this big neutral monster that gives you a blue buff. I healed her since she was low on health, and tossed out my Q with Kayle and got the last hit (getting me the buff, which I didn't know was going to happen).

After tossing a stream of "Report Kayle for KS blue" the Cassi player "disconnected" (Though her icon on the left hand of my screen still had a green dot, which I assumed meant she was still actually in the game. I got teamwork honors and I gave teamwork honors to the one guy that stuck around with me, even though we lost. I reported the Cassi player for negative play and put the player on ignore...

It was just the worst experience ever :-\ Surprisingly enough, I had never had such an experience in Dota 2 (not starting an argument, just saying that my play in Dota 2 was more enjoyable) which sucks because I do enjoy both of the games... It's just I have less inclination to play LoL if I'm playing bot games and I'm getting yelled at like a championship is on the line D:

Sounds like a bad game. I only ever get those games in ranked anymore, and that's occasionally. Whenever someone just starts being like that, I just ignore them straight off (in-game, it's clicking the speech bubble on their line on the scoreboard). They're just tryhards that are frustrated that they can't win and can only take it out on others instead of actually playing the game to win.

Also, the green dot next to people's name lets you know if they have an ultimate ability (R ability) ready for use.

On a different note... I've decided the only way I can really grow as a player is to go beyond the solo queues and find a team to work with. I've begun looking for calls for players and I'm hopefully going to try out for a few of them soon.

 YotsubaSnake wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
It was a bot game, and 2 of our players disconnected, I was trying to hold bot with Kayle (first game with her, and she does healing, which is something I was pretty good at in other games). So the entire game we had 1 person, who was obviously quite better than one of the other players and myself, who kept spamming the chat with "Report Kayle" and "Report Darius" just over and over. We said, "why don't you tell us what we're doing wrong instead of just yelling at us." Cassiopeia (the champ the guy was playing) then proceeded to call the Darius player a noob whenever he would say something in chat, and then we all grouped up and made a push down the center lane. Did okay too, and then we ran back as 3 of their champions were chasing us down. We regrouped, I followed Cassi around giving heals and invulns where I could, we got ganked by their entire team and then it was just a stream of "Report Kayle" over and over I told Cassi that my stuff was on CD, and I did heal and invuln her. And then as I was following her, she was having some difficulty with this big neutral monster that gives you a blue buff. I healed her since she was low on health, and tossed out my Q with Kayle and got the last hit (getting me the buff, which I didn't know was going to happen).

After tossing a stream of "Report Kayle for KS blue" the Cassi player "disconnected" (Though her icon on the left hand of my screen still had a green dot, which I assumed meant she was still actually in the game. I got teamwork honors and I gave teamwork honors to the one guy that stuck around with me, even though we lost. I reported the Cassi player for negative play and put the player on ignore...

It was just the worst experience ever :-\ Surprisingly enough, I had never had such an experience in Dota 2 (not starting an argument, just saying that my play in Dota 2 was more enjoyable) which sucks because I do enjoy both of the games... It's just I have less inclination to play LoL if I'm playing bot games and I'm getting yelled at like a championship is on the line D:

Sounds like a bad game. I only ever get those games in ranked anymore, and that's occasionally. Whenever someone just starts being like that, I just ignore them straight off (in-game, it's clicking the speech bubble on their line on the scoreboard). They're just tryhards that are frustrated that they can't win and can only take it out on others instead of actually playing the game to win.

Also, the green dot next to people's name lets you know if they have an ultimate ability (R ability) ready for use.

On a different note... I've decided the only way I can really grow as a player is to go beyond the solo queues and find a team to work with. I've begun looking for calls for players and I'm hopefully going to try out for a few of them soon.

I think that's also part of the allure to Dota 2 for me is that I have/had a group of Dakkanauts that played (they're the ones that "gifted" me the game in the first place. I'm trying to link up with the other 2 members of my old WoW PvP team, but they're off finishing finals and being students instead of a real adult like me . I mean I'm expecting one of them, possibly both of them, to give me gak for messing up or not being in the lane, etc... But at least I know I'd have fun playing with them again.

Also thanks for the heads up on the ultimate thing

I stopped DotA 2 because it is unplayable if you solo queue and Valve refused to fix very basic things such as region locking servers (especially keeping the Russians away from EUW servers). I don't know if that changed, but I haven't looked back since.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I stopped DotA 2 because it is unplayable if you solo queue and Valve refused to fix very basic things such as region locking servers (especially keeping the Russians away from EUW servers). I don't know if that changed, but I haven't looked back since.

I have very little issue solo queuing, but then again I'm only looking for 4 other players atm instead of 9 other players. I don't feel comfortable playing real people until my skills are solidified enough to hold my own against bots (even at the beginner level I get roflstomped).

The problem with DotA is the terrible matchmaking. If your ELO gets high enough, it becomes impossible to win since you will always face 3-4 man premades and they'll easily tear you apart. LoL has the solo / duo queue which helps a lot.


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Goddamn that fething League system is broken as gak. If you get promoted, you are screwed. I now get teams of complete, useless idiots who are stuck at 0 LP and cannot get demoted to Silver II. It's horrible. They should just let people demote again so that crap doesn't happen.

 Alfndrate wrote:
It's just I have less inclination to play LoL if I'm playing bot games and I'm getting yelled at like a championship is on the line D:

That sounds like the exception rather than the rule. I've had a couple of games with two AFKs, but only a complete idiot blames the remaining players for not carrying twice their own weight.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
It's just I have less inclination to play LoL if I'm playing bot games and I'm getting yelled at like a championship is on the line D:

That sounds like the exception rather than the rule. I've had a couple of games with two AFKs, but only a complete idiot blames the remaining players for not carrying twice their own weight.

It wasn't just because we were down 2 players (albeit, I like how Dota 2 handles afks in bot games, but both games have their appeal to me). The guy started while we were all still mostly there. He kept telling us to report the guy that 1st disconnected, and then it became report Kayle and Darius while the weird bug thing kog'maw? was still playing with us, and then it was incessant after he disconnected.

Like I said, i'm trying to get my friends to play with me, but they're pretty hard to nail down since they have their own teams they play with.

Had probably one of the most entertaining ranked games I'll ever have. It was all about how I (as Nami) had one of the most epic ward battles with their Zyra support and baiting so many fights.

About 8 minutes in, Zyra and I started battling with pink wards at Dragon, trying to win vision. It was broken up fast when their Trundle showed up and started chasing me back towards my blue (I was on top side). There it was a 4v4, Mid, Bot and Jungle pitted against each other and we came up 3-1 (and I had the last standing ward). \

But then their ADC gained some serious momentum and threatened to go out of control when our top laner realized that too many fights were happening at dragon for him not to be there. He recalled and suddenly we had a 5v3 pushing down the bottom lane, taking a turret and dragon.

They retaliated, pushing us up against our inner turrets. The whole time Zyra and I are fighting each other with pink wards and occasionally actual abilities. Eventually, my persistent warding won off and we caught them out of position at the right time to set up momentum to win the game.

Yes, other players besides support should buy wards (which they did, I was so happy) but the support really does win games on the back of how hard they ward, even when constantly being in a ward fight. If you want to be successful as the support, it's definitely the efforts you make that don't appear on the scoreboard that make the most difference.

Demoted to Silver II thanks the terrible matchmaking piece of gak. Good job. /rant

 Sigvatr wrote:
Demoted to Silver II thanks the terrible matchmaking piece of gak. Good job. /rant

Man i remember the first time i got demoted. bloody hate it and am now in danger of doing again.
silver 1 20 points in, only 80 + 3 w to go.

The problem is that demoting doesn't happen fast enough.

When you get promoted, you are at 0 LP. The problem is: so are the worst people of your new class. Thus not only do you have to win 2/3 promotion matches, you also have to then keep winning despite having terrible teammates (and I mean REALLY terrible, like Draven players not being able to catch their Spinning Axes) in order to stay in the division.

The system is in dire need of a rework e.g. by softer division borders in a class e.g. it's still as hard as it is now to get into another class (Silver, Gold, Plat etc.), but it's easier to change the division in order to avoid the 0 LP trap.

League wise I've just stopped caring to be honest. To get promoted you probably need to go on a 5 game winning streak - 2 or 3 to get to 100 pts and then 2 to get promoted. You then go up on 0pts, lose 3 on the trot and are looking at relegation all over again. Playing support is so frustrating as well as if your ADC can't farm and you get no jungle help then it is almost impossible for you to do anything other than make the game last a bit longer.

I'm seeing lots of "report all my team apart from Thresh" and similar comments, so I'm playing pretty well at the moment and, not wanted to sound big headed, I think my support play [certainly in the early game] is of a level at least a league higher but many bronze players don't know how to play off a good support. When your ADC starts off 0-3 in less than 10 minutes you're in trouble.

 ruminator wrote:
League wise I've just stopped caring to be honest. To get promoted you probably need to go on a 5 game winning streak - 2 or 3 to get to 100 pts and then 2 to get promoted. You then go up on 0pts, lose 3 on the trot and are looking at relegation all over again. Playing support is so frustrating as well as if your ADC can't farm and you get no jungle help then it is almost impossible for you to do anything other than make the game last a bit longer.

I'm seeing lots of "report all my team apart from Thresh" and similar comments, so I'm playing pretty well at the moment and, not wanted to sound big headed, I think my support play [certainly in the early game] is of a level at least a league higher but many bronze players don't know how to play off a good support. When your ADC starts off 0-3 in less than 10 minutes you're in trouble.

I've been stuck in mid-Silver for some time. It seems that the only way to advance when once you've become mechanically good enough to hang with better players is to start calling the shots for your team. The key is to have a decent early game and make some simple calls that show you know what you're talking about. With any luck people will follow your "orders" by late game.

Tried Elise for free week.

First game I went 20-6-17.

And we still lose, our team had a total of 41 kills..

Just some games you cannot carry.

Lost the first game of my promotion series to Silver IV, sad part was it was really close. I fed my ADC early and we carried strong into the mid-game, but the rest of our team couldn't keep up and allowed them to come back and win.