Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

A bit of an odd situation last night, in regards to fliers.

A Dark Eldar Void Raven suffered a damage penalty that prevented it from turning and moving faster than 18". Following these restrictions, the flier moved 18", until which point it was situated over a primaris psyker. The opponent (to whom the psyker belonged) declared that, since the flier's base can not be placed over an enemy unit, and it can't move farther than 18" - it is forced to move less than 18", thus immediately crashed.

I argued that the base is ignored for all such purposes, but his point stood that the flier simply could not be placed.

The flier thusly crashed and burned.

Was this the correct procedure?

Apologies if the answer is an obvious one - needlessly long and exhausting game, and didn't get much sleep afterwards


In a similar vein, if a flier suffers the same damage result, and is thus forced to be situated so that it's hull is less than 1" from an enemy model (an Ork battlewagon, in this case), does it also immediately crash and burn?


Also, super duper bonus may-as-well-ask-this-while-I'm-here question: Does the Firedrake have a fixed LoS? Pretty certain it's a fixed frontal 45 degree LoS, but opponent was adamant that the figure could "turn it's head" to give it a 180 degree LoS, and using that to burninate some Necrons to it's right flank.

There are two restrictions for Flyer bases. 1 units embarking and disembarking measure from the flyer base and 2 it cannot end it's movement within 1" of enemy models. If it is forced to do so it is destroyed. Looks like you played it right.

This tactic is called "stun trap", it involves placing a (usually cheap) model in the right spot for this to occur before trying to shoot the flyer, that way if you stun it you can pretty much stop shooting at it and carry on with the rest of your shooting phase.
It's especially good for tau or eldar since some of their units can move again in the assault phase.

Except that

"the base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except for when:
The Flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull. its base or both.

Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point"

So you ignore the base except for the situations mentioned.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Except that

"the base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except for when:
The Flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull. its base or both.

Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point"

So you ignore the base except for the situations mentioned.

You are ignoring:

...the flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

PG 80 under Flyers and Other Models

Locked Velocity Rules state that if you cannot move 18" your flyer is automatically wrecked and will crash and burn.

Yeeeeeaaaaaah, that seems pretty cut and dry.

It's one of those weird rule quirks that don't exactly make sense in the "real world"ness of it - but I can see where it comes from in regards to rules clashing.

Still feels harsh, though. The flier did such an amazing job of surviving a Vendetta, only to "trip" over and die xP

Well its his fault for picking that direction to fly. I'm sure within his 90degree turn there was somewhere for him to park it safely.

DeathReaper wrote: Except that "the base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except for when: The Flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull. its base or both. Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point" So you ignore the base except for the situations mentioned.

The paragraph that says you ignore the base,what does the heading for that subsection say?

 Kharrak wrote:
Yeeeeeaaaaaah, that seems pretty cut and dry.

It's one of those weird rule quirks that don't exactly make sense in the "real world"ness of it - but I can see where it comes from in regards to rules clashing.

Still feels harsh, though. The flier did such an amazing job of surviving a Vendetta, only to "trip" over and die xP

I think it makes perfect sense. As the Flyer is somewhat damaged at this point(it has taken at least one hull point and its propulsion is damaged). The vehicle is now directly over an enemy who is able to exploit the damage and aim weapons directly at the damaged parts or the pilot is avoiding the unit attempting to exploit that damage and makes a decision or is unable to control the vehicle and puts it down.

Naah man it goes like this.
In all the confusion, shaking and possibly smoke the pilot sees a figure infront and does what any panicked driver in the history of dark mountain roads did – crash and burn.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
You are ignoring:

...the flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

PG 80 under Flyers and Other Models

Locked Velocity Rules state that if you cannot move 18" your flyer is automatically wrecked and will crash and burn.

Not ignoring it, just never saw that bit until now.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well its his fault for picking that direction to fly. I'm sure within his 90degree turn there was somewhere for him to park it safely.

Locked velocity is different, you can turn 90degs, If the flyer suffers a stunned and shaken result (3) if has to move 18"s in the direction it is facing, hence why i always buy extra armour for my SR's now, had this trick done to me before.

Good thing we have living metal on the Scythes which have a good chance of ignoring that part!


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
You are ignoring:

...the flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

PG 80 under Flyers and Other Models

Locked Velocity Rules state that if you cannot move 18" your flyer is automatically wrecked and will crash and burn.

Not ignoring it, just never saw that bit until now.

Funny, I thought you would be an expert on the subject after the "flyers on top of models" thread.

Was the "flyers on top of models" thread within the past month?

I am having trouble remembering it. I guess that is because I have a lot going on since I work two jobs and school started in august. My memory recall for non-school things are kind of on hold right now.