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 ShatteredBlade wrote:
Still waiting to start a Sisters of Battle Army. Been..four years now?

I was told to wait for plastic models, I didnt want to wait and got the army, Im glad that I did, they are a blast to play. By far my favorite army.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

But really, who is more biased? The people who hope that more sales of models for their dead army will convince Games Workshop to reinvest in the product line, or the guy who just tells it how it is, that there's been no support, and no new models, for nearly a decade? I stand nothing to gain from this. Just doing a good deed.

Being rude and trying to stomp down peoples hopes by saying "GIVE IT UP! THEY ARENT GONNA BE SUPPORTED EVER" isn't exactly what one calls a good deed. It's more of a dickish reality one, considering your trying to hammer it in to people who most likely already know this. It's just rude ya know.

Cirrusly? Calling me biased is rude. I would have never hammered anything if they hadn't argued with me and called me names. /shrug Living in glass houses and throwing stones and all that. Get over it.

Nobody has called you anything from the posts I've checked, and yes you do seem biased.

So saying I have an axe to grind isn't calling me biased?

Are you this dumb everyday, or did you make a special effort?

Just curious.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

But really, who is more biased? The people who hope that more sales of models for their dead army will convince Games Workshop to reinvest in the product line, or the guy who just tells it how it is, that there's been no support, and no new models, for nearly a decade? I stand nothing to gain from this. Just doing a good deed.

Being rude and trying to stomp down peoples hopes by saying "GIVE IT UP! THEY ARENT GONNA BE SUPPORTED EVER" isn't exactly what one calls a good deed. It's more of a dickish reality one, considering your trying to hammer it in to people who most likely already know this. It's just rude ya know.

Cirrusly? Calling me biased is rude. I would have never hammered anything if they hadn't argued with me and called me names. /shrug Living in glass houses and throwing stones and all that. Get over it.

Nobody has called you anything from the posts I've checked, and yes you do seem biased.

So saying I have an axe to grind isn't calling me biased?

Are you this dumb everyday, or did you make a special effort?

Just curious.

I make the special effort when I'm up for it.

But yeah I did note some insulting tone, but hey people believed Dark Eldar, Space wolves, and some others would never be updated in some form, Blood angels too after they gained a PDF. It all depends on if the modelers find some inspiration and feel up to making something.

Which annoys the heck outta me the most to be fairly honest, it's why WE or BE aren't updated in fantasy because nobody knows what to model big kits for them, or make the aesthetics look good or something. They are at the whims of the modelers according to Cruddance.

But yeah, maybe some months from now some modeler will be "Inspired", the sisters will gain new models, and a codex will be released about six to twelve months after that. Maybe being the first codex in 7th edition so they'll likely feel bland.

I apologize for being kind of a dick. I need to reign myself in sometimes.

I don't think it really has anything to do with guys at GW not liking the Sisters, or not wanting to make models.

Games Workshop is, very simply, profit driven. And the Sisters, I am guessing, were never very profitable. There was a lot of demand in 2nd edition for Chaos Eldar. People used to show up at tournaments with really cool interpretations of Chaos Eldar. So the Dark Eldar always had a fan base. I don't think the Sororitas ever developed that fanbase. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense why they'd have been basically sidelined. Games Workshop doesn't just make decisions haphazardly. Remember, Blood Angels and Dark Angels had to share a codex in 2nd Edition. And 3rd Edition was before the big Marinesplosion that was to come, with endless new, full sized codex books. But realistically, Space Marines are Space Marines. Even in 4th Edition, you could field your Black Templars with the normal Codex: Space (Ultra)Marines if you took the right Chapter traits. I don't really think the comparison is very apt looking at individual Marine Chapter books. It takes only a small amount of effort to switch between books or to make your models viable between them.

I mean, I don't personally think the Sisters are an awful army. I have gripes with their fluff, but whatever, I have far more gripes with the fluff of the Black Templars or the way Graham McNeill wrote the Ultramarines in his awful novels. I've got a ton of gripes. Calling out the Sisters fluff being changed to involve magical powers for being stupid is hardly noteworthy when it comes to me and my opinions.

I think it would have been a more worrying isgn if they had been left out of 6th Ed rulebook - but thye got reasonable coverage - with a 2 page overview - same as Eldar and Tau.

I recall the old days of the Dark Eldar Codex and everyone assuming they would never have another one and they would be subsumed or even written out......instead the opposite happened - it could happen again

We can but hope...

If it helps provide a glimmer of hope, I play Blood Angels. After two editions had past and we had seen no new codex, GW put an official Blood Angel codex into White Dwarf. Like the SOB list, it was spread over two issues, and like the SOB list, it was lackluster at best. Everything in it seemed inferior to the vanilla marine Dex Mat Ward had produced, and many recommended I just play my red marines as blue marines, as it was obvious GW was writing off Blood Angels for the foreseeable future. The White Dwarf codex was a small gift to keep us quiet while they worked on the armies they cared about, and people on the forums gleefully pointed out we should give it up, as Blood Angels had never been popular, just a gimmicky 3rd ed army that could be played fine as codex marines.

Then, what happened a couple years later? Mat Ward's Blood Angel codex came out. Suddenly we have plastic Death Company, new units no one's ever heard of, unique aircraft, new characters, and so many advantages that many other armies are played as "counts as" Blood Angels. We're spoiled for choice and options; it's a good time to be a Blood Angel player.

So, perhaps that White Dwarf codex is a good thing for SOB players. Maybe, in the not so distant future, we'll see Codex: Sisters of Battle, by Mat Ward, featuring background fluff about how, during the Bloodtide, loyal SOB killed the ineffectual Gray Knights and annointed themselves in their incorruptable blood to defeat the big bad with their bare hands. Then, a brief bit where Saint Praxedies strangles an Avatar with just one hand.

*insane stare into space*

My god... it will be glorious.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
They're not Finecast yet, so at least half your sculpts won't be trash.

Oggthrots right. Blood angels players has the same fate for a while. I cant see GW getting rid of sisters. So I will continue to play and increase my army. I like that they are metal, would like plastic, but hope not a lot goes to finecast.

 conker249 wrote:
Oggthrots right. Blood angels players has the same fate for a while. I cant see GW getting rid of sisters. So I will continue to play and increase my army. I like that they are metal, would like plastic, but hope not a lot goes to finecast.

The quality of that BA codex was far better than the new Sisters codex IMO. The Sisters codex does not suck, but the quality of it is inferior to every codex made since 5th edition began. I could have designed something better in a weekend that required no new models.

I can't find the link so take this with a grain of salt, but GW has outright expressed an interest in revamping Sisters of Battle particularly after the runaway success of the drastic revamps that they had at the end of 5th (GK and Necrons in particular). They were particularly motivated by the success of the new GK codex, which took an obscure and unknown army and made them one of their best sellers almost overnight (in part due to their amazing models, in part due to their powerful rules and cool/unique options on a lot of units, such as Inquisitors). They have seen what a new codex and plastic line can do for an army, and are likely just waiting for the right moment, codex, and models to relaunch sisters. It might not be for a while, given the development length of your average codex and the fact that 40k currently has several codices sand-bagged because of the release of 6th and the upcoming Hobbit release, but I definitely see it happening sooner or later. Heck, assuming that DA are the next codex I wouldn't be fully surprised if we saw them redone before the next MEQ release after them.

RegalPhantom wrote:
I can't find the link so take this with a grain of salt, but GW has outright expressed an interest in revamping Sisters of Battle particularly after the runaway success of the drastic revamps that they had at the end of 5th (GK and Necrons in particular). They were particularly motivated by the success of the new GK codex, which took an obscure and unknown army and made them one of their best sellers almost overnight (in part due to their amazing models, in part due to their powerful rules and cool/unique options on a lot of units, such as Inquisitors). They have seen what a new codex and plastic line can do for an army, and are likely just waiting for the right moment, codex, and models to relaunch sisters. It might not be for a while, given the development length of your average codex and the fact that 40k currently has several codices sand-bagged because of the release of 6th and the upcoming Hobbit release, but I definitely see it happening sooner or later. Heck, assuming that DA are the next codex I wouldn't be fully surprised if we saw them redone before the next MEQ release after them.

I'll believe when I have it in print. I am very skeptical at this point of GW releasing Sisters anytime soon. I predict a 2014 release at the soonest. After all we our own very nice WD codex that no one can find legally anymore.

Games Workshop learned from the Squat fiasco. Don't abandon an army, it's bad for business and the players will bother you for years. But you can ignore one indefinitely so long as every so often, you make rules for the existing models so that people can still play them.

You beat me to the punch. I was about to say something similar about GW learning from their mistakes on occasion. I don;t think they will ever reapeat the PR disaster that was their shabby treatement of the Squats and just pretenidng like they never existed for over ten years. However, they'll never man up and amit their mistakes of course...which is why we've never gotten an SoB style "Shut up and leave alone " codex printed in the WD for Squats.

I've actually kicked around the idea of building sisters from time to time, but the prce made me think twice. Unlike just about every other currently playable faction they do NOT pop up on Ebay with the same reularity and low prices of other lines.

One good thing about Sisters being all but unsuported is that they are now very suitable for "counts as" armies. One of the bestthings about owning both Squat and Space Slaan armies is that I can play them as pretty much anything I want them to be these days. (although I pretty much use the former for Space Wolves and the latter for Necrons.) The same can be said for Sisters. Just pick the Space Marine faction that is the closest fit and run with it. Blood Angels might be a nice fit. You can count Assault Squad without jump packs as normal SoB squads (they get two slots for flamers after all and the Sgts can have hand flamers and melta pistols), they have tougher deadnaughts that are a decent stand in for the pentient engines, and they both have a very similar winged special character model.

TR

The quality of that BA codex was far better than the new Sisters codex IMO. The Sisters codex does not suck, but the quality of it is inferior to every codex made since 5th edition began. I could have designed something better in a weekend that required no new models.

I certainly remember something far different, considering how BA players saw the list, used it for a while, and then went back to using C:SM instead, griping all the while about how bad the WD dex is.