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Yeah, and if Romney won, blacks were threatening to riot in the streets. Good thing republicans are the 'crazy' party. Romney would have been assassinated within a year. There would have at least been an attempt.
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Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
The same assassination nonsense was popular after the last election. Funnily, it was Rep stating that Obama was going to be such a divider that such assassination would be inevitable.
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Silverthorne wrote: Yeah, and if Romney won, blacks were threatening to riot in the streets.
Citation? This is a fairly extreme claim, and I think we'd be better served to recognize that the real crazies on either side are few.
Good thing republicans are the 'crazy' party.
Fair point that neither party should be stereotyped as crazy or insulted across the board.
Romney would have been assassinated within a year. There would have at least been an attempt.
This is just absurd. We've had 43 white rich dude presidents. If we've managed to keep the first black one, we're clearly not as divided, violent and racist as folks sometimes think.
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It was pretty well covered. Even by Obama's sycophantic force field, I mean the media. I just grabbed a few hits off the first page. There were around 6 million hits.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
Yeah, that's received exactly as much attention and been treated exactly as seriously as it's deserved.
Describing "the media" as "Obama's sycophantic force field" is not going to take you far in productive discussions. It comes across as about as useful as Dean Chambers' "unskewed" polling analysis.
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Albatross wrote: I think this whole thing is a little unseemly, really. There's no reason to rub people's nose in it, or am I missing the point? It just seems like 'let's point and laugh at the idiots that voted for the other guy'. Can you imagine the pictures if Obama lost? Are we to understand that his supporters would have taken it well? Come off it.
It worries me how divided the US seems to be becoming. A lot. I just can't see how the two sides can reconcile their differences. I'm genuinely concerned that in the not-too-distant future, someone will do something stupid and the whole tinderbox will ignite. And it won't be cool and exciting, it'll be bloody and vicious, and many people will lose their lives.
I'll go along with this. There are a lot of people ready to retire that are genuinly worried about everything they worked for all of their lives going to be taken from them to pay for Obama's social plans. I have had some small business owners tell me that Obamacare will eliminate their ability to compete with the big corprations. They have also shelved plans to hire new people and may have to lay off people that they otherwise wouldn't.
It's fairly easy for most posters here that are just starting out in life to go into an in your face mode, but the thing to remember is that almost a full half of the country is genuinly worried and belittling that half is going to nothing but fuel resentment and combative attitudes.
This will then become a rocky presidency for Obama and if things go wrong on his watch in the next two years you can expect a Republican majority in both the house and senate.
I talked to a number of retirees this election who were deeply disturbed by the prospects of a Romney/Ryan plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system and/or to substantially cut benefits.
Belittling and insulting the (roughly) half the country that votes the other way that you do is always a bad idea.
Folks who make out their preferred candidate being elected to be an earthshattering tragedy, or grounds for violent action such as rioting or insurrection are deeply lacking in perspective, and disconnected from reality. There is some legitimate grounds for mocking these people, but obviously the high road is to reach across the aisle and try to find common ground.
In reality, in most areas of policy, foreign and domestic, a Romney administration would do most of the same things that the Obama administration has done and will do. In major areas, are two big parties are still pretty darn similar, especially in relation to polics in the rest of the world.
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Really? So did you even hear a passing mention about people rioting if Romney lost? Do you not think it would have happened? I think your perspective is skewed. I've been to democratic and republican campaign events. There is a sense of fanatacism at the democratic rallies that is chilling. If you seriously don't think there would have been a violent reaction to Romneys election, despite me being able to show evidence there would be and you being able to do nothing of the sort, then you are burying your head in the sand. When you play exclusively identity politics, rational thought for people goes out the window. Sort of like how 98% of blacks voted for Obama, even though their economic parity with whites fell more under his presidency than literally ANY other president. Ever.
Seeing as you demand citations, then blow them off without countering with any of your own, I wouldn't define this exchange as a productive conversation. Sry.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
Mannahnin wrote: I talked to a number of retirees this election who were deeply disturbed by the prospects of a Romney/Ryan plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system and/or to substantially cut benefits.
Belittling and insulting the (roughly) half the country that votes the other way that you do is always a bad idea.
Folks who make out their preferred candidate being elected to be an earthshattering tragedy, or grounds for violent action such as rioting or insurrection are deeply lacking in perspective, and disconnected from reality. There is some legitimate grounds for mocking these people, but obviously the high road is to reach across the aisle and try to find common ground.
In reality, in most areas of policy, foreign and domestic, a Romney administration would do most of the same things that the Obama administration has done and will do. In major areas, are two big parties are still pretty darn similar, especially in relation to polics in the rest of the world.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about government siezure of 401K's or upping the taxes on them to the point of it amounting to siezure. To be honest, though, I havn't seen anything on a website I'd call reliable, but people are out there subscribing to that notion since it has an equivelent president in other countries. Small businesses are of more concern if they are being made unable to compete since that will exacerbate unemployment, but that's going to be a time will tell sort of thing I believe.
You are correct in the fact that it is not a good thing to alienate half the country either by saying "In you face" or "you damn fools, your stupidity has doomed us all".
Mannahnin wrote: I talked to a number of retirees this election who were deeply disturbed by the prospects of a Romney/Ryan plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system and/or to substantially cut benefits.
Belittling and insulting the (roughly) half the country that votes the other way that you do is always a bad idea.
Folks who make out their preferred candidate being elected to be an earthshattering tragedy, or grounds for violent action such as rioting or insurrection are deeply lacking in perspective, and disconnected from reality. There is some legitimate grounds for mocking these people, but obviously the high road is to reach across the aisle and try to find common ground.
In reality, in most areas of policy, foreign and domestic, a Romney administration would do most of the same things that the Obama administration has done and will do. In major areas, are two big parties are still pretty darn similar, especially in relation to polics in the rest of the world.
While they may have broadly similar foreign policies I don't think that Romney would have been as effective with dealing with foreign affairs as Obama. Obama still has a superstar following among people outside of the United States and really the importance of that can't be understated imo. There is a definite benefit to having the people (not always the governments) in foreign countries like you and I think some of the gaffs made by Romney in his trip to the UK (while they may have been overblown by some) were damning in that respect.
A week ago I would have said that Romney wouldn't have fared as well on the foreign stage because he didn't have Hillary, however neither now does Obama which is a damn shame because that woman put in some good work as secretary of state.
I saw a website the other day that was collecting twitter and facebook messages from Republicans claiming they were going to move to Australia because of the election result. I couldn't figure out why Australia - I mean, are they drawn to our socialised medicine?
Well I'm not a Republican but I've considered moving to Australia because I appreciate your culture of alcoholism, your women-folk and the concept of an entire continent trying to kill me at any given moment. The beaches also seem rather nice.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
I've always thought it was fun when people said they were moving because of the election to escape socialism. You know to Canada or Austrailia...morons.
If I don't like the ways things are going here I'll go to Israel, where the socialist utopia isn't just a dream.
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The same assassination nonsense was popular after the last election. Funnily, it was Rep stating that Obama was going to be such a divider that such assassination would be inevitable.
And what, there's been like 3 attempts so far?
As a side note I think it would be pretty cool if the South did decide to "Rise Again." At the very least it would be more entertaining than what's happening right now in US politics.
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Silverthorne wrote: Yeah, and if Romney won, blacks were threatening to riot in the streets. Good thing republicans are the 'crazy' party. Romney would have been assassinated within a year. There would have at least been an attempt.
First up, reading through those links you presented of anonymous twitter feeds, I think its interesting you said 'blacks were threatening to riot in the streets'.
Second up, yeah, people make stupid noise about how they'll react when their side loses. Like people in 2004 saying they'd move to Canada, or people this election saying they're moving to Australia. That's just what happens to the little cheerleaders - they get all scared that their side might not win, then it happens, life carries on and they try to pretend that never said anything that stupid... until the next election.
Trying to make it out as though it was evidence of a whole political party being crazy, like the OP did or like you're doing here... just doesn't work.
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Silverthorne wrote: Really? So did you even hear a passing mention about people rioting if Romney lost? Do you not think it would have happened? I think your perspective is skewed. I've been to democratic and republican campaign events. There is a sense of fanatacism at the democratic rallies that is chilling. If you seriously don't think there would have been a violent reaction to Romneys election, despite me being able to show evidence there would be and you being able to do nothing of the sort, then you are burying your head in the sand.
Yeah, so it used to be this big scare about how bad Obama would be if he got into office, and then how bad it would have been if he got a second term... and now it's how bad it would have been if Obama hadn't been re-elected.
feth this is stupid.
When you play exclusively identity politics, rational thought for people goes out the window. Sort of like how 98% of blacks voted for Obama, even though their economic parity with whites fell more under his presidency than literally ANY other president. Ever.
Ah, Obama has scored about the same portion of the black vote that Kerry, Gore, and Clinton. And while black voters vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate, they actually don't get out and vote in huge numbers. So there's actually not that great a black vote for the Democrats... more that there's a complete absence of a black vote for Republicans.
Turns out if you have people out there claiming 'the blacks are going to riot if Obama wins'.... there's consequences to that kind of race baiting.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: Well I'm not a Republican but I've considered moving to Australia because I appreciate your culture of alcoholism, your women-folk and the concept of an entire continent trying to kill me at any given moment. The beaches also seem rather nice.
Sure, there's plenty of reasons to move to Australia. All of what you said, and we actually have jobs for people (if you move to the right parts of Australia, anyway).
But, like, if you think America is moving too far to the left, why would you come here? I mean, maybe if the gay marriage thing was the big issue it might make sense, because while we have civil unions and stuff, it's gonna be a long time before gay marriage gets passed anywhere.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Well I'm not a Republican but I've considered moving to Australia because I appreciate your culture of alcoholism, your women-folk and the concept of an entire continent trying to kill me at any given moment. The beaches also seem rather nice.
Sure, there's plenty of reasons to move to Australia. All of what you said, and we actually have jobs for people (if you move to the right parts of Australia, anyway).
But, like, if you think America is moving too far to the left, why would you come here? I mean, maybe if the gay marriage thing was the big issue it might make sense, because while we have civil unions and stuff, it's gonna be a long time before gay marriage gets passed anywhere.
I really have no idea, honestly the only reason I'm NOT down there already is the gun laws, makes my trade hard to ply, though it seems the hunting and shooting community is pretty vibrant in spite of the legal restrictions.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I really have no idea, honestly the only reason I'm NOT down there already is the gun laws, makes my trade hard to ply, though it seems the hunting and shooting community is pretty vibrant in spite of the legal restrictions.
The legal restrictions basically stop people having guns in their homes, but they don't stop anyone from target shooting or hunting. They make it more expensive and more annoying.
Honestly the biggest thing holding back hunting in Australia is that it doesn't work as well, as a sport. The wooded areas here aren't as vast, and don't have much in the way of decent sized mammals that are fun to hunt. I mean, what's the thrill in hunting koalas? They just sit there stoned.
People go shooting kangaroos and rabbits and stuff, but that's mostly in scrubland, and is for pest control, not fun.
People go wild boar hunting up in the mangroves of Queensland, and that's fething dangerous, but that's kind of the point.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Silverthorne wrote: Yeah, and if Romney won, blacks were threatening to riot in the streets. Good thing republicans are the 'crazy' party. Romney would have been assassinated within a year. There would have at least been an attempt.
First up, reading through those links you presented of anonymous twitter feeds, I think its interesting you said 'blacks were threatening to riot in the streets'.
Second up, yeah, people make stupid noise about how they'll react when their side loses. Like people in 2004 saying they'd move to Canada, or people this election saying they're moving to Australia. That's just what happens to the little cheerleaders - they get all scared that their side might not win, then it happens, life carries on and they try to pretend that never said anything that stupid... until the next election.
Trying to make it out as though it was evidence of a whole political party being crazy, like the OP did or like you're doing here... just doesn't work.
That's my point. Neither side is crazy, and it is just as easy to find outliers for the Dims as it is the Invaders Chapter, I mean republicans.
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Silverthorne wrote: Really? So did you even hear a passing mention about people rioting if Romney lost? Do you not think it would have happened? I think your perspective is skewed. I've been to democratic and republican campaign events. There is a sense of fanatacism at the democratic rallies that is chilling. If you seriously don't think there would have been a violent reaction to Romneys election, despite me being able to show evidence there would be and you being able to do nothing of the sort, then you are burying your head in the sand.
Yeah, so it used to be this big scare about how bad Obama would be if he got into office, and then how bad it would have been if he got a second term... and now it's how bad it would have been if Obama hadn't been re-elected.
feth this is stupid.
When you play exclusively identity politics, rational thought for people goes out the window. Sort of like how 98% of blacks voted for Obama, even though their economic parity with whites fell more under his presidency than literally ANY other president. Ever.
Ah, Obama has scored about the same portion of the black vote that Kerry, Gore, and Clinton. And while black voters vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate, they actually don't get out and vote in huge numbers. So there's actually not that great a black vote for the Democrats... more that there's a complete absence of a black vote for Republicans.
Turns out if you have people out there claiming 'the blacks are going to riot if Obama wins'.... there's consequences to that kind of race baiting..
You don't think that the scare has been backed up? What exactly has gone right with him in office? We lost a war in Afghanistan, fomented revolt in several middle eastern countries that were formerly easy to control and formerly not run by jihadists, regulated over the freedom of religion so that people don't have to pay $8 a month for their own birth control, and oh yeah, the economy is still in flames. Entitlement spending increased 40% in 4 years while the unemployment rate is calculated at 8% although the actual number is closer to 14%. Yeah, I'd say that it has been a disaster.
Also, I'm guessing like most Brits and Aussies on this board, you didn't attend any rallies, debates or conventions related to the American election. Yet you have no problem pontificating based on your third hand information. Go ahead and wear a Ron Paul button to an Obama campaign event. Maybe you can do your own demographic survey about the comments you receive. Or maybe you can just get your information, and opinions, from someone else. It amazes me the arrogance of people relying on such filtered information. I don't pretend to know enough to comment Australian or British politics and I have lived in both places for 4 years!
Also race baiting? The guy said (language)
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“If obama dont get re-elected & romney wins .. on life every white persons getting pistol whipped and im startin a riot." and I made the leap to assume he was black. The horror! I'm such a racist! No, you're just blind.
I Heard Mitt Romney , Tryna Take Away Food Stamps , If He Do ."IMA START A RIOT , IMA START A RIOT"— Tommy Pickles (@ThugPickles Sounds pretty white to me. No way you could assume otherwise.
If Romney win [see forum posting rules] goin riot— Rahmir Harrison (@GottaLoveRahRah) Definitely not a black person. No way. Only a racist could assume that! Don't think! It's racist!
“You know you ain’t gak if you gotta “MAKE” Mafukas vote for ROMNEY ! …. Mannnn OBAMA better get back in office . Or BLACK FOLKS will riot.”
“If Mitt Romney wins the election I think its our duties as Black folks to riot and feth gak up.” Both of those were certainly written by a non-black individual. ONLY A RACIST WOULD THINK OTHERWISE!
Jesus. They are mixing that PC cool-aid pretty thick down there huh?
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
omg silverthorne.... they wrote it on the internet, ok? You don't seriously believe that stuff on the internet is to be taken seriously, right? People get enraged a lot on the internet and make crazy claims ALL THE TIME! So stop saying you have "evidence". It's ridiculous.
Arguing a hypothetical when the conditions to trigger that hypothetical are guaranteed not to come to pass is more than a bit academic.
That said, there have certainly been riots in this country for a lot less, so saying it absolutely wouldn't have come to pass is pretty foolish. We don't know, and we won't know, what would have actually happened. What does it matter?
The same assassination nonsense was popular after the last election. Funnily, it was Rep stating that Obama was going to be such a divider that such assassination would be inevitable.
And what, there's been like 3 attempts so far?
As a side note I think it would be pretty cool if the South did decide to "Rise Again." At the very least it would be more entertaining than what's happening right now in US politics.
That wouldn't be cool at all. Thousands of people died in the US civil war. I have family in the South.
Relapse wrote: I've been hearing a lot of talk about government siezure of 401K's or upping the taxes on them to the point of it amounting to siezure. To be honest, though, I havn't seen anything on a website I'd call reliable
I would not worry about that. Legally how would one accomplish this? The president is not a dictator and cannot just take your 401k.
Tax plans need to go through congress -- as we know from the debate about tax increases on the wealthy -- and what congressman in their right mind would ever want to vote for taking 401ks? Any party that pushed that would be gone in a day.
Silverthorne wrote: If you seriously don't think there would have been a violent reaction to Romneys election, despite me being able to show evidence there would be and you being able to do nothing of the sort, then you are burying your head in the sand.
Were that the case, would we not have seen a violet reaction when Bush was given the presidency in 2000 by the Supreme Court?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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