White House website deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

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**whembly**

This was just created... only 15 votes though

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-seek-remove-united-states-america-united-nations-and-remove-them-our-shores/s8NJTSmP?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

**Archaeo**

I am old school and would fight for my State first - Country second, but thats just me.

Every election this comes up though. Most of the time it doesn't make the news, but since this is all obviously a 'race thing' it is making the news this year it seems. I might have missed it in the past, but I do not remember ever seeing New York or New Jersey on the secession list before. That to me is more odd than seeing Southern States on the list.

**Frazzled**

AustonT wrote:
Why would they close bases when they are arming the Dept of Education?
/tinfoil

An excuse to bring combat units back.

**Necros**

Can I secede too? I plan to form my own country where all of my loyal subjects pay me to sit home and paint models all day.

**nomsheep**

Necros wrote:
Can I secede too? I plan to form my own country where all of my loyal subjects pay me to sit home and paint models all day.

Can I emigrate(sp?) please?

**pretre**

My favorite one is the one to remove the State of Canada from the union.

**AustonT**

Necros wrote:
Can I secede too? I plan to form my own country where all of my loyal subjects pay me to sit home and paint models all day.

Have a great time.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

**BaronIveagh**

Well, Frazz, if Texas does secede, it has my vote. With the changes that would likely take place, it would be the return of, quite possibly, the second most epic nation on Earth.

I'd move there with some armor and see if I can join the Texas boarder patrol. I'd like to see how those drug cartel tanks stand up to real armor.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

For as long as I can remember, there is talk of civil war every time a democrat parks his ass in the white house.

Louisiana is interesting though, as the original treaty might be illegal (read it somewhere) and France could have a legit claim to getting it back. Maybe the United Nations will invade to sort it out

**Frazzled**

I think Mississippi should secede, just because its so &)(^ing hard to type "Mississippi" correctly. I'd like New Mexico to secede, and then we can dare Old Mexico to take it back.

I think New York and New Jersey should declare war on each other and go at it in the streets with giant boxing gloves, whippy sticks, and the occasional shoe.

**BaronIveagh**

Frazzled wrote:
I think Mississippi should secede, just because its so &)(^ing hard to type "Mississippi" correctly. I'd like New Mexico to secede, and then we can dare Old Mexico to take it back.

I think New York and New Jersey should declare war on each other and go at it in the streets with giant boxing gloves, whippy sticks, and the occasional shoe.

I'm told that the Western half of New York will gladly embrace anything that gets the US to either make them their own state or give them to PA. Taxes are a bitch.

**Huffy**

nomsheep wrote:
Seaward wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So if they secede from the US they become their own countries right?

Provided they win the war, yes. We've been down this road before.

This time, though, we below the Mason-Dixon will have shoes.

No war, the world is watching this time.

Just like how the world is watching Syria right?

**nomsheep**

Huffy wrote:
nomsheep wrote:
Seaward wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
So if they secede from the US they become their own countries right?

Provided they win the war, yes. We've been down this road before.

This time, though, we below the Mason-Dixon will have shoes.

No war, the world is watching this time.

Just like how the world is watching Syria right?

And according to the newspapers (though I can't source atm) preparing to move in to Syria.

**d-usa**

1) Let the state with the most electoral votes that wants to leave go.
2) Let Puerto Rico in.
3) Keep the same flag.
4) Profit.

**Ratbarf**

And according to the newspapers (though I can't source atm) preparing to move in to Syria.

Really? All the jibber jabber I've been getting is that they're going to let it play out by itself, or only provide clandestine help. Something about debts and LIbya and Iraq and other things of that nature.

**nomsheep**

Ratbarf wrote:
And according to the newspapers (though I can't source atm) preparing to move in to Syria.

Really? All the jibber jabber I've been getting is that they're going to let it play out by itself, or only provide clandestine help. Something about debts and LIbya and Iraq and other things of that nature.

Something to do with (military related) humanitarian relief efforts should the war take large amounts of civilian life, I believe yet despite searching the site I cannot find this bloody article.

**whembly**

Not sure if this is real, but Justice Scalia wiegh'ed in on this:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.

**KalashnikovMarine**

whembly wrote:
Not sure if this is real, but Justice Scalia wiegh'ed in on this:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.

Sounds like Scalia to me, he's got quite the distinct writing style when issuing legal judgements or dissenting statements.

**AustonT**

How exactly is Justice Scalia using the Pledge of Allegiance in a legal argument. I get that this isn't exactly a real argument but still. Also the Civil War isnt a great place to point to and say "we settled that" for a SCOTUS justice, since it took gaking all over the Constiution for four years to "settle" it.
My 2c.

**Frazzled**

AustonT wrote:
How exactly is Justice Scalia using the Pledge of Allegiance in a legal argument. I get that this isn't exactly a real argument but still. Also the Civil War isnt a great place to point to and say "we settled that" for a SCOTUS justice, since it took gaking all over the Constiution for four years to "settle" it.
My 2c.

Sure it is. The legions make the law legal.

**deathholydeath**

He was probably thinking of the previous SCOTUS ruling.

**Piston Honda**

Monster Rain wrote:
It worked out so well for them last time, though!

I know!

Take a trip around the south and look at all their beautiful second place trophies.

**timetowaste85**

I hate NY taxes. They're disgusting. That said, other than the dark times (Bush's reign), I've been proud to call myself an American. I wouldn't want to secede. However, I did want to move to another country when Bush was in office, and would be embarrassed to go to another country and admit to being American. He put us in such a bad state with the rest of the world, we couldn't show our faces. Does the rest of the world hate us with Obama in office? Not that I've heard. We're tolerated/liked again, so why do all these nutjobs want to secede?

**Piston Honda**

I want Texas to secede.

Then elect Jeb Bush so we can invade Texas for their oil.

**Ratbarf**

I want Texas to secede.

Then elect Jeb Bush so we can evade Texas for their oil.

Has anyone ever succesfully invaded Texas?

**purplefood**

How many people have actually tried?
2?

**whembly**

Ratbarf wrote:
I want Texas to secede.

Then elect Jeb Bush so we can evade Texas for their oil.

Has anyone ever succesfully invaded Texas?

Yeah... the Americans!

**d-usa**

Ratbarf wrote:
I want Texas to secede.

Then elect Jeb Bush so we can evade Texas for their oil.

Has anyone ever succesfully invaded Texas?

The people that are now Texans did.

**Frazzled**

Piston Honda wrote:
I want Texas to secede.

Then elect Jeb Bush so we can invade Texas for their oil.

Bring it Yankee Dog! Our manly Wimminz will make choccolate cakes whilst we smote thee from the high places!
EDIT: The Wife's attempt at making a Tardis Cake for Genghis Connie-Success! And Tasty!

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purplefood wrote:
How many people have actually tried?
2?

Mexico (war for independence)
Mexico II (Mex American War)
DamnYankees (War of Northern Aggression)
Pancho Villa (Mexico III?)
Yankees (destruction of the Rust Belt)

**AustonT**

Texas will recieve an offical response. I'm guessing Arizona will too.