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So in a resent game i played all fast attack units were scoring units and my opponent said that i could not contest the objective he was holding with my fast attack cause they were scoring only.
so can they deny if they are scoring?

Only certain units are restricted from being Denial (such as vehicles). If a vehicle is scoring (due to mission rules for example) they are still not denial units.

Happyjew wrote:
Only certain units are restricted from being Denial (such as vehicles). If a vehicle is scoring (due to mission rules for example) they are still not denial units.

but cant you get with in the three inches of the objective with a scoring unit and deny the points cause you have two different scoring units there

terrorvesre77 wrote:
but cant you get with in the three inches of the objective with a scoring unit and deny the points cause you have two different scoring units there

Sometimes that is true, sometimes it is not.

No,

If a scoring vehicle(FA or HS) is near an objective and the enemy moves one of their own scoring units within 3" they actually now hold it instead.

A Scoring vehicle basically can only hold the objective if there isn't an enemy within 3", and they can't even contest it away from the enemy.

In order to deny an objective, you need to have a denial unit. So in BGNT, if you park your Land Raider next to an objective, and I move my Genestealers within range I have a scoring unit that is not denied, where as you do not. If you had Terminators right there (a Denial unit) then my Genestealers would also be out of luck. If instead of a Terminator squad, you had a Tac squad, neither of us would get the objective as the Tac squad denies the stealers which denies the Tac squad and Land Raider.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No,

If a scoring vehicle(FA or HS) is near an objective and the enemy moves one of their own scoring units within 3" they actually now hold it instead.

A Scoring vehicle basically can only hold the objective if there isn't an enemy within 3", and they can't even contest it away from the enemy.

This will help me next time i run into this. Is there any where in the rule book that says this so i can show someone if they ask

Denial units P.123

You then get problem of two scoring units holding an objective when neither of them are denial units.
Technically they'd both hold the objective, as neither can deny the other.

 grendel083 wrote:
You then get problem of two scoring units holding an objective when neither of them are denial units.
Technically they'd both hold the objective, as neither can deny the other.

That was what happened cause my opponent had his IG flyer there and my bikes were also holding the objective, both were fast attacks, so if you have two scoring units that are not denial units do you then deny each other

terrorvesre77 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
You then get problem of two scoring units holding an objective when neither of them are denial units.
Technically they'd both hold the objective, as neither can deny the other.

That was what happened cause my opponent had his IG flyer there and my bikes were also holding the objective, both were fast attacks, so if you have two scoring units that are not denial units do you then deny each other

Bikes ARE denial units. It's the fact that the flyer is a vehicle that stops it being a denial unit.

No, you both get the points.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, you both get the points.

^^This. It's a wash this way until someone is knocked off it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, you both get the points.

Not in the example mentioned.
The bikes (normally denial unit only) are now Scoring and Denial unit.
The Flyer (not a denial unit as its a vehicle) are now Scoring only.

The Bikes deny the Flyer from controlling the objective, and claim it themselves (as the Flyer can't deny in return).

Two vehicles (scoring only, neither denial) would both hold an objective.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, you both get the points.

Only if both are scoring and neither is denial. Bikes are denial units.

Nevermind. this.