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265 Abbadon
205 (8) Chosen w/ 2 Powerswords, Mark of Slannesh, Lightning Claw Champion
310 (10) Chosen w/ 2 Powerswords, 2 Plasmaguns, Rhino, Mark of Slannesh, Lightning Claw Champion
310 (10) Chosen w/ 2 Powerswords, 2 Plasmaguns, Rhino, Mark of Slannesh, Poweraxe Champion
280 (10) Chosen w/ 2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Powerfist, Mark of Khorne
76 (14) Cultists w/ Flamer, 5 Autoguns
170 Heldrake
230 Landraider
152 (2) Obliterators w/ Mark of Nurgle

Abbadon and the 8 man squad go in the Landraider. Oblits deep-strike in near hard targets, Cultist go in reserve to hold my objective late-game, and the rest Rhino rushes at the enemy. Just hope I don't run into any Purifier orders!

Pretty solid list. My only complaint is the Melta squad. A bog-standard CSM squad can carry the exact same equipment loadout for cheaper. Buy them close combat weapons and they have the same amount of attacks. I could see it if you had squeezed another special weapon in there. I would be tempted to downgrade the Fist to a Power Axe(Khorne would approve) and use the extra points to squeeze in two Flamers or another Melta. Just a thought.

Help,
The wording in the old codex and I think it is the same in the new codex is along the line of:
Champion can have extra stuff...
One marine can have an assault weapon/PG or a heavy weapon.
Up to 4 marines can have one of the following:
Power Weapons Or Assault Weapons Or Paired Lightening Claws.

Which implies the four marines have to chose from a singe choice; all four (upto 4) have a power weapon; or all four have lightening claws or all four have a pair of lightening claws.

Which would make the second and third chosen units illegal. The Dark Vengeance chosen do not appear to follow my interpretation but then they're a bit fluffy.

Have I got this right?
(Don't take the mickey too much a yes / no would be appreciated!)

The heldrake may not be enough anti-air at this point level; mainly against other CSM who bring two or three to burn through power armour.
Good list though.

Nice list. Though it is important to note that by RAW Abaddon cannot join a squad with a Mark of Chaos. This may be FAQ'd but at present it's unmarked squads or on his lonesome.

This is a departure from what I am currently running, hence the similarity to the CSM squads that they are evolving from; but the Melta squad has 1 more attack per model than the CSM version. Base 2 plus 1 for two close combat weapons plus 1 to 2 attacks for the Mark of Khorne. 5 on the charge!


That Raw interpretation on Abbadon is something I will have to look into...

This thread hit upon the issue a few pages in. Essentially the wording of the Marks of Chaos rules means that because Abaddon has three different Marks to the unit (and one which matches) it mean he cannot join the squad.

So yeah, it's a bit weird but it could be a legitimate way to stop Abaddon from benefiting from Icons, though I'd give good odds it'll be FAQ'd.

The Abaddon discussion rages elsewhere. Its spite spilleth over into a lot of other threads.

Anyway, I think you'd have to play it a few times, see if it will work or not. Still not sure myself if chosen are decent for their points or not. Would be interested to hear how your squads do.

 Jasper wrote:
Help,
The wording in the old codex and I think it is the same in the new codex is along the line of:
Champion can have extra stuff...
One marine can have an assault weapon/PG or a heavy weapon.
Up to 4 marines can have one of the following:
Power Weapons Or Assault Weapons Or Paired Lightening Claws.

Which implies the four marines have to chose from a singe choice; all four (upto 4) have a power weapon; or all four have lightening claws or all four have a pair of lightening claws.

Which would make the second and third chosen units illegal. The Dark Vengeance chosen do not appear to follow my interpretation but then they're a bit fluffy.

Have I got this right?
(Don't take the mickey too much a yes / no would be appreciated!)

A simple yes or no answer might not be enough for some people, but I will try to be respectful with my opinion. My interpretation is that it isn't illegal. On pg 96 of the Codex, it states that "Up to four models may choose one of the following four options". I read this as each model being able to choose what upgrade to takes, but only once so you can't have four dudes running around with Power Weapons and Melta guns. If it said "All models must take the same upgrade", I'd see it differently.

That's the way I'd read it too. If nothing else, GW's own Chosen squad in the DV boxed set uses that interpretation of the rules.

I like the list a lot - you've got a very versatile force, and most units can deal with anything they come across. I know some people don't like rhinos now, but I've still used them with a fair amount of success - you just have to be careful how you use them, and plan at least one turn ahead if you want to assault.

While extra armour is now not vital I'd still at least consider it for the land raider - there's nothing worse then being stuck immobile for a turn for the want of 10 points

As for Abbadon, perhaps consider running him with the Khorne chosen rather than the Slannesh unit. The Khorne unit is more dangerous in close combat, and therefore benefits more from being in an assault vehicle. The powerfist will also be a nice I1 backup to Abbadon's attacks - on it's own it's likely to get killed before it strikes.

Is there anywhere you can fit a mark of Tzeentch, just to complete the set? That would feel right for a Black Legion force representing all the powers of Chaos.

Ok! list revised to meet raw:
265 Abbadon
194 (8) Chosen w/ 2 Lightning Claws, Poweraxe Champion w/ Meltabomb
310 (10) Chosen w/ 4 Powerswords, Rhino, Mark of Slannesh, Powersword Champion
310 (10) Chosen w/ 4 Plasmaguns, Rhino, Mark of Khorne, Powersword Champion
280 (10) Chosen w/ 2 Meltaguns, Rhino, Powerfist, Mark of Khorne
89 (17) Cultists w/ Flamer, 6 Autoguns
170 Heldrake
230 Landraider
152 (2) Obliterators w/ Mark of Nurgle

SkinCarver,

I see what you are saying with the example. Thanks.

Madness!,
Like the list.

BTW, the guys with lightning claws are conversions from DV. The guy with two lost the extra one for the other with the Powermace...gotta take a picture!