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 DexKivuli wrote:


The Necrons havee some very serious weaponry. The C'Tan are described as Godlike beings that have the power to 'extinguished suns and devour whole systems in black holes called into being by their reality warping powers' (loosely quoted). The Necrons were able to attack and split these beings, capturing their components in tesseract labyrinths and controlling them on the battlefield. "The Necrons focussed the unimaginable energies of the living universe into weapons too mighty for even the C'tan to endure."

I think - based on this - that the Necrons could probably defend against any Tyranid attack. I don't think they could take the offensive though, hive fleets are too diffuse and spread out. If there was a single 'Mega Brain' that could be removed to destroy the whole hive fleet, then the Necrons could probably take that out. Get orikan on board for some time-travel/forecasting action, use the Celestial Orrery... not much 'nids could do in response.

Ugh, not the Celestial Orrery again. I don't think that is really a part of the fluff because it is just too over the top and another silly my weapons wins all thingy that damages the fluff alot. Also the Necrons in charge of it are a bunch of new-age types who never use it and or don't know how to use it.

The power the Necrons used to defeat the C'tan has never been explained and is probably long lost now. Likely due to the odd nature of the C'tan the weapons used would be effective against them but possibly useless or weak against all others including Tyranids. Also if such weapons could be used to the imagined effect the Necrons would end up destroying their own worlds as they opened up with these things on a Tyranid swarm in orbit. The Imperium has already determined there are possibly as many Hive fleets as there are worlds so this method is futile and serves the swarm in the long run because the Necrons will run out of Tomb worlds long before the Tyranids run out of Hive fleets.

One huge strategic advantage the Tyranids have is their ability to make unified and coordinated attacks because they are all unified as one huge organism. The Necrons are scattered and divided. The Silent king who is the original ruler of the Necrons has returned knowing the Necrons must unite to have a chance of stopping the Tyranids. However most of the Necron dynasties are far to absorbed in their own ambitions and are too arrogant to be interested in what he has to say. The full threat of the Tyranids is not known. The number of Hive fleets on the way tothe galaxy is far greater than all those ever seen. The Silent king is far from well-informed on Tyranids though and he most likely doesn't in the least fully understand the threat they really pose.

My coin is for the Tyranids. They'll adapt somehow and take down the Necrons.

Who said the bids are not attached to the warp??? As that is totally wrong, yes the hive mind is a gesalt consciousnes, but it exists in the warp, zaonthropes also access the warp ( warp blast) and tigurius has accessed the hive mind through the warp.

So if the crons could close off the warp, the nids would be boned

 djphranq wrote:
My coin is for the Tyranids. They'll adapt somehow and take down the Necrons.

Depends on who does the next nid coded rewrite. Of course, they have no where to go but up...

Formosa wrote:Who said the bids are not attached to the warp??? As that is totally wrong, yes the hive mind is a gesalt consciousnes, but it exists in the warp, zaonthropes also access the warp ( warp blast) and tigurius has accessed the hive mind through the warp.

So if the crons could close off the warp, the nids would be boned

Actually it's never said to be a warp entity, and Zoanthrope powers, even those named 'warp ___' come directly from the hive mind itself, not the warp.

Also whatever happened with Tigurious is pretty unclear, lol.

The Shadow in the Warp is an overpowering psychic signal... In the Warp.

That doesn't mean the hive mind resides in the warp, only that it can affect it. The powers Tyranids use are specifically completely unrelated to the warp, and come from the Hive mind. So, whether the Hive Mind is a warp entity or not is unknown, but it seems pretty unlikely, lol.

< Taken by the void dragon. >

ScreamPaste wrote:
That doesn't mean the hive mind resides in the warp, only that it can affect it. The powers Tyranids use are specifically completely unrelated to the warp, and come from the Hive mind. So, whether the Hive Mind is a warp entity or not is unknown, but it seems pretty unlikely, lol.

So the Shadow in the Warp, the manifestation of the Hive Mind, being explicitly residing in the Warp, doesn't imply that the Hive Mind is a Warp Entity?

You have exactly no contrary evidence.

 Che-Vito wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I'm not contesting that the Nids don't go for the planet and not the inhabitants, but I am saying that a Necron army present on the planet would force the hand of the Hive Fleet, and a lot of biomass would be used up in trying to remove the Necrons so they can eat in peace.

There's also the fact that an Overlord studying the Tyranid actions would realise what they came for, and could potentially order it destroyed, molecule by molecule, or even transmogrified into something lethal to the Tyranids. The Necrons aren't above bending the laws of physics and reality to their will.

This.

The heaviest losses of a planetary invasion, would be in the process of planetfall. If the Necrons can not only contest a landing, not be consumed themselves, and destroy biomass without personal loss...then it's certainly something that the Tyranids would want to avoid.

I imagine it being a sense akin to the old short story, detailing a Kroot Shaper telling his kindred not to consume 'tainted' Tyranid DNA.

Also Necrons do in fact have fleets, very effective fleets from what i recall. It could be as simple as the nids would not have enough biomass to defeat both fleets and then the landing, I am of the mind as well they would be hard pressed to "adsorb" Necrons. They are simply not natral beasts, even the "Metal" bodies is not really metal.

The Necrons have never not curbed Tyranids in naval battles.

Fleet combat shouldn't be discussed, by evidence the Necrons have a big advantage on that front.

I simply brought it up as it may be a reason why they avoid Necron worlds/Bases. It simply may not be worth it, they can't get back the amount of biomass they would lose.

Well there was the Ka'mais fleet engagement between the Necrons and Tyranids.

Looking at how the fleets fight the Tyranids would be at a disadvantage vs the Necron's larger ships. Mainly the Necron's Solar Pulse weapons and lightning arcs.

I find it odd that whenever 2 factions in 40k fight it basically devolves into something not dissimilar to a crossover battle.

That aside when we break it down i think the Tyranids and Necrons are on equal footing tactically as the Tyranids have the tactical know-how of the hive-mind and the swarmlord whereas the necrons have their own experience in warfare.

Technologically (or biotechnologically as the case may be) i believe that individually the necrons are much more advanced while the Tyranids have extremely overwhelming numbers in their favor. In fact it's almost like a contemporary showdown of the US vs China

Overall though, I can understand the Tyranids reluctance to attack a Necron target. They loose a few of their biggest advantages ( the defenders becomming easy food, fear and being able to whittle down the numbers effeciently) while not getting much in return. It doesnt take a genius to realize that while theres easy targets all around no point loosing steam in a low payout gamble.

laginess wrote:
I find it odd that whenever 2 factions in 40k fight it basically devolves into something not dissimilar to a crossover battle.

Mostly that is because that is what it is. GW is damned sloppy with its setting and it likes to contradict everything ( I would not find it odd if it did so in the same book). They more or less treat each Codex or supplemental as its own little universe . Who is the best or more powerful often means whos book are you using to decide.

Kind of silly don't you think?
Though if I had the models I'd love to run campaigns with some of these ideas

I have no nice words to say on Gw's handling of their own IP. I am frankly amazed its still around given the state of "canon"

 Void__Dragon wrote:

ScreamPaste wrote:
That doesn't mean the hive mind resides in the warp, only that it can affect it. The powers Tyranids use are specifically completely unrelated to the warp, and come from the Hive mind. So, whether the Hive Mind is a warp entity or not is unknown, but it seems pretty unlikely, lol.

So the Shadow in the Warp, the manifestation of the Hive Mind, being explicitly residing in the Warp, doesn't imply that the Hive Mind is a Warp Entity?

You have exactly no contrary evidence.

I can't prove there's not a rolex watch on the moon conclusively, either, but you have similar amounts of evidence for both scenarios. Not my job to prove a negative.

SitW isn't the manifestation of the hivemind, it's interference created by it, what exactly it is beyond that is unsaid, Tyranid psykers explicitly don't draw power from the warp, and are powered by the hive mind. It could be, it could not be. Where the hive mind resides is unknown, claiming you do know is asinine, so until we get a statement, you get to stop it.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I simply brought it up as it may be a reason why they avoid Necron worlds/Bases. It simply may not be worth it, they can't get back the amount of biomass they would lose.

I doubt it has much to do with that, honestly, and more to do with Necrons living on barren worlds a lot of the time. A world with useful gak on it will always give back enough biomass to make losing a bunch to gauss weapons worth it. Hive Fleet Behemoth notably devoured some of the Charnovokh dynasty tombworlds, so it's probable that the Tyranids already have consumed Necron living metal from planets that weren't lifeless.

So I'm gonna answer the OP's questions and reference what other have said:

A) No reason why the Nid's couldn't consume the Crons. Some will phase out but others will be broken down by the digestive systems of Nid organisms. You can break a warrior with a bolt round, submerging it in highly corrosive acids developed from the Nid arsenal should have no problem breaking it down, it's made of atoms, break it down far enough and it'll stop regenerating. Since the Necrons are essentially programs within those bodies barring there being a backup of him he would be dead. We don't know however if there are backups or if they even make new bodies anymore so no real telling.

B) In that case the galaxy is screwed but it also implies a level of reasoning the Nids are not capable of or are unwilling to show. The Cron Empire is huge, the Nid swarm has the combined biomass of several *galaxies* and is unimaginably vast. Those two forces deliberately avoiding each each other to fight everyone else would be devestating for the galaxies inhabitants.

C) Nids are one of the *best* races to resist gauss weaponry, evolving it's troops to possess high density, regenerating armour would mean the gauss weapons that strip matter layer by layer would take far longer to penetrate. Tesla is just as bad as the evolutionary equivalent of rubber booties is gonna curtail that. Necron modes of warfare are not diverse, they don't adapt and they don't invent, those are bad traits against the Nids.

As someone rightly pointed out consuming the mass of the actual warriors is largely irrelevant in terms of the mass of the planet. Not being able to eat each trooper has very little bearing on the invasion as whole deserts as gulped up. The Necrons fixed weapon tech would be their undoing in the end as by the later stages of the conflict they would be facing their perfect counter, a race bred to destroy them in the most efficient way possible.

The Nid dex says they have wiped out multiple galaxies before our own, thats millions of worlds, the Nid race must be impossibly large by this point, their numerical advantage would be overwhelming.

They also don't use warp power so they can shut that off all they like, Perils test are specifcally states as neural overloads not warp issues, remember that all of the names are from the Imperial viewpoint. Warp Blast is the name an Inquisitor gave it. Tigerius tapped the mental network of the Hive Mind, nothing to do with the warp and it's that power that is channeled by Nid "Psykers". It's Handwavium admittedly but it's not warp juice. The Nid combined consciousness cast a "Shadow in the Warp" not "is in the Warp"

D) Sadly that lack of warp power hurts them as it is the best weapon against the C'Tan (The Talismans of Vaul being the epitome of this tech) but even with the C'Tan awake it's not enough. The Crons turned on them and tried to wipe them out and enslave them, you really think the C'Tan will run to their rescue now? Even if they were awakened my moneys on them leaving the Cron's to burn out of spite.

Is there like an estimate on how big of a necron force each necron tomb world holds? i mean so far all the novels and lore i've read about necron encounters is with them just awakening and the force their enemies encounter are just a fraction of what the tomb world holds.