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What happens if the enemy Warlord (An IG Command Squad) is under 25% of the models and is still falling back at the end of the game? Does it count as destroyed? Can you tell me where to check? During the last match I played there was a discussion about this and we couldn't find the rule, we only found that it counted for Kill Points in Purge the Alien
   
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Only in Purge the Alien mission. They're not considered scoring or denial in any mission though.
Edit: They count as destroyed in Purge the Alien mission. This is why you get Slay the Warlord in Purge.

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I'm pretty sure that any fleeing unit counts as destroyed at the end of the game. So if the CCS is fleeing when the game ends you would get slay the warlord.
   
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bagtagger wrote:
I'm pretty sure that any fleeing unit counts as destroyed at the end of the game. So if the CCS is fleeing when the game ends you would get slay the warlord.
I thought the same, checked rulebook and that rule is only present in Purge the Alien mission. 5e had that rule as a general case, but looks like it was changed in 6e.

Edit: As Kevin pointed out, the same language is also present in Big Guns never Tire and The Scouring. So in all the missions which give VP's for actually killing generic enemy units it works, in pure objective missions it doesn't.

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bagtagger wrote:
I'm pretty sure that any fleeing unit counts as destroyed at the end of the game.


That was in 5th edition. Now there's no mention of it (edit: except as a Mission special rule), just as they've left out everything that made you unable to try regrouping. The game has changed.

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Luide wrote:
bagtagger wrote:
I'm pretty sure that any fleeing unit counts as destroyed at the end of the game. So if the CCS is fleeing when the game ends you would get slay the warlord.
I thought the same, checked rulebook and that rule is only present in Purge the Alien mission. 5e had that rule as a general case, but looks like it was changed in 6e.


It's actually present in The Scouring and Big Guns Never Tire as well.
   
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So, GW tried to put it in every relevant mission, but forgot that they made it relevant to every mission?
   
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Except in most of the missions killing a unit gains you nothing. And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Except in most of the missions killing a unit gains you nothing.
Unless that unit includes the Warlord. Which is relevant to every standard mission.

 Grey Templar wrote:
And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord
IC's tend to join units. They do have the nice ability to regroup below 25% in that case, but it's still possible for an IC warlord to be falling back at the end of the game, even if he hasn't joined a unit.
   
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I suppose. Chalk it up to GWs lack of proofreading.

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 Kevin949 wrote:
Luide wrote:
bagtagger wrote:
I'm pretty sure that any fleeing unit counts as destroyed at the end of the game. So if the CCS is fleeing when the game ends you would get slay the warlord.
I thought the same, checked rulebook and that rule is only present in Purge the Alien mission. 5e had that rule as a general case, but looks like it was changed in 6e.

It's actually present in The Scouring and Big Guns Never Tire as well.
Good catch, I only checked Crusade and Emperors will. Will edit my original post to reflect this.
   
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Pyrian wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord
IC's tend to join units. They do have the nice ability to regroup below 25% in that case, but it's still possible for an IC warlord to be falling back at the end of the game, even if he hasn't joined a unit.

Not all Warlords are ICs. In the Tyranid book there are 2 (and two halfs) potential warlords that can be in a unit and 1 (and two halfs) that never can be.

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rigeld2 wrote:
Pyrian wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord
IC's tend to join units. They do have the nice ability to regroup below 25% in that case, but it's still possible for an IC warlord to be falling back at the end of the game, even if he hasn't joined a unit.

Not all Warlords are ICs. In the Tyranid book there are 2 (and two halfs) potential warlords that can be in a unit and 1 (and two halfs) that never can be.


Well, the Nids arn't exactly in the same boat as Synapse makes you fearless. But ok, only 95% of Warlords are single characters.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Pyrian wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord
IC's tend to join units. They do have the nice ability to regroup below 25% in that case, but it's still possible for an IC warlord to be falling back at the end of the game, even if he hasn't joined a unit.

Not all Warlords are ICs. In the Tyranid book there are 2 (and two halfs) potential warlords that can be in a unit and 1 (and two halfs) that never can be.


Well, the Nids arn't exactly in the same boat as Synapse makes you fearless. But ok, only 95% of Warlords are single characters.

I wasn't responding to you - Nid Warlords are single characters. (indeed - warlords must be characters)
They're not all ICs. There's a difference.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Pyrian wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And 99% of all Warlords are single characters. Silly IG and having a squad be your warlord
IC's tend to join units. They do have the nice ability to regroup below 25% in that case, but it's still possible for an IC warlord to be falling back at the end of the game, even if he hasn't joined a unit.

Not all Warlords are ICs. In the Tyranid book there are 2 (and two halfs) potential warlords that can be in a unit and 1 (and two halfs) that never can be.


Well, the Nids arn't exactly in the same boat as Synapse makes you fearless. But ok, only 95% of Warlords are single characters.


It does have to be a single model.
   
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But not necessarily a model that is a unit of 1.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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Happyjew wrote:
But not necessarily a model that is a unit of 1.


Yes, though not the same thing as what grey templar said. or at least, not how I interpreted his sentence anyway.

There are quite a few that could take retinues, that's true.

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rigeld2 wrote:
Not all Warlords are ICs.
I didn't claim they were.

Given the existence of the "terrify" power, which removes fearless and forces a morale test, how many warlords are still completely impossible to be falling back at the end of the game? Bjorn, sure. Anybody else?
   
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Sammael in his Landspeeder.

Of course there is no FAQ making it a Character, so that may not work.

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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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He is unique, so he IS a character, but is not Bjorn so is not allowed to be the warlord.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
He is unique, so he IS a character, but is not Bjorn so is not allowed to be the warlord.


Nowhere does it specifically say that Bjorn can be your Warlord. The rules state that only characters can be Warlords. Bjorn had the Character designation added. Samael in his Landspeeder did not. So while Samael is a Character, the Master's Land Speeder (which is a legal option to run him as), does not have the Character designation. Therefore if you take Samael in his Land Speeder, you cannot have a Warlord, and deny your opponent from being able to get Slay the Warlord.

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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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If the Black Templar are any precedent, the Emperor's Champion cannot be a Warlord, and therefore Black Templar players need to take another character so that they may have a Warlord.

Q. Can the Emperor’s Champion be my warlord? (p31)
A. No. This will mean you will need to include a second HQ choice to be your warlord.

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Happyjew wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
He is unique, so he IS a character, but is not Bjorn so is not allowed to be the warlord.


Nowhere does it specifically say that Bjorn can be your Warlord. The rules state that only characters can be Warlords. Bjorn had the Character designation added. Samael in his Landspeeder did not. So while Samael is a Character, the Master's Land Speeder (which is a legal option to run him as), does not have the Character designation. Therefore if you take Samael in his Land Speeder, you cannot have a Warlord, and deny your opponent from being able to get Slay the Warlord.

Actually it's an illegal list - the rules require you to have a warlord. It's not an option.

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I would say Sammael in his LS is still a character, and can be a Warlord (if you have no other HQ) per Special Characters on page 110.

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Happyjew wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
He is unique, so he IS a character, but is not Bjorn so is not allowed to be the warlord.


Nowhere does it specifically say that Bjorn can be your Warlord. The rules state that only characters can be Warlords. Bjorn had the Character designation added. Samael in his Landspeeder did not. So while Samael is a Character, the Master's Land Speeder (which is a legal option to run him as), does not have the Character designation. Therefore if you take Samael in his Land Speeder, you cannot have a Warlord, and deny your opponent from being able to get Slay the Warlord.


So a Unique character is not a character?
   
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But doesn't the Warlord rule state that the Warlord is the HQ with the highest Ld?

Bjorn and Sammael don't have a LD vaule.

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Grey Templar wrote:But doesn't the Warlord rule state that the Warlord is the HQ with the highest Ld? Bjorn and Sammael don't have a LD vaule.

And if you don't take any other characters then there is HQ choice with a higher leadership in the army. Hence they can legally be your Warlord. The lack of a Leadership characteristic does not disqualify them.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
But doesn't the Warlord rule state that the Warlord is the HQ with the highest Ld?

Bjorn and Sammael don't have a LD vaule.


Yep, and if you dont have any other HQ units, then they must have the highest leadership.
   
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Thats what I thought. So they can only be the Warlord if they are the only HQ.

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