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 TBD wrote:
In Siberia where hardly anybody lives... a pest to who?

From Wikipedia:

The range of the Siberian weasels includes northern Myanmar, Laos, North Korea, Pakistan, Nepal, India, (Himalayas), Bhutan, Russia (from the Kirov Province, Tataria, and the western Urals through Siberia and the Russian Far East), Taiwan and northern Thailand. They have been introduced to Honshu, Shikoku, Kamishima and Jebu

Where hardly anyone lives, indeed...

 TBD wrote:
Maybe very silly, but couldn't they simply make (smaller) brushes out of human hair? Barbershops and the needy could make an extra buck, and it would be for a good cause too

Is it not considered usable? Anybody happen to know?

Cut a lock off your hair, stick it to a stick or a twig, and you tell me how well that holds up for our hobby purposes.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:


Either way, have you picketed your local art store or Michaels? They sell sables too...

If you had read the entire thread you would already have your answer

 TBD wrote:
We are talking about Siberia though, not Serbia......

So I got the wrong country, the sentiment still stands.

Maybe eyelashes or nose hair is best... But then we will find the eyelashes of newborn infants make the best brushes and we will find out GW sneaks into hospitals to pluck the eyelashes from day-old babies to make the finest brushes ever made. The cruelty never ends!

Animals will often kill more than they need to eat given the opportunity.

They will then cache what they can for later, but can easily be driven/scared off, especially if they are full (why take any risk whe you are not hungry)

I've seen some quite neat footage of both lions and leopards trying for multiple kills during the wildebeast migration (which resulted in them rushing the suffocation of the prey, so when they moved on to animal two the first woke up and escaped)

Foxes/Weasels etc getting into a bird coop have the opportunity to kill a lot of birds because those birds generally don't have an exit.... even if they try and remove and cache them they usuallly run out of time before doing them all as the farmer/owner will check the birds before they have a chance to finish

 insaniak wrote:

 TBD wrote:
In Siberia where hardly anybody lives... a pest to who?

From Wikipedia:

The range of the Siberian weasels includes northern Myanmar, Laos, North Korea, Pakistan, Nepal, India, (Himalayas), Bhutan, Russia (from the Kirov Province, Tataria, and the western Urals through Siberia and the Russian Far East), Taiwan and northern Thailand. They have been introduced to Honshu, Shikoku, Kamishima and Jebu

Where hardly anyone lives, indeed...

Lol, alright.... however Siberia, much like Australia is immense and most of it indeed is not populated.

Those Weasels sure picked a list of nice places to live btw...

I am aware the world is inhabited by uncaring simpletons mostly.

If the result of this thread is that 1 person is enlightened against 100 of these Homo Heidelbergensis types, then I consider it a succes already.

Pardon me while I roll my eyes at the arrogance and self-righteousness of this statement by the OP. And people have the gall to say that my far-right political views are "intolerant"....

Hey OP. Do you support the acts of eco-terrorist groups like "Earth First" "Earth Liberation Front", "Animal Liberation Front", and others who use violence and criminal acts to attack what they deem to be "animal cruelty"?

TR

Edit: I will probably not reply again to this thread as I can see it having the potential of getting me in trouble. I have a short fuse when it comes to dealing with animal rights extremists. Needless to say the whole point raised by the OP is a non-issue to me...

 TBD wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TBD wrote:
In Siberia where hardly anybody lives... a pest to who?

From Wikipedia:

The range of the Siberian weasels includes northern Myanmar, Laos, North Korea, Pakistan, Nepal, India, (Himalayas), Bhutan, Russia (from the Kirov Province, Tataria, and the western Urals through Siberia and the Russian Far East), Taiwan and northern Thailand. They have been introduced to Honshu, Shikoku, Kamishima and Jebu

Where hardly anyone lives, indeed...

Lol, alright.... however Siberia, much like Australia is immense and most of it indeed is not populated.

Those Weasels sure picked a list of nice places to live btw...

Wow, that smacks of extreme arrogance.

Decent thread to date, Mods can you not let it implode :(

Just because 1 act of kindness happens, doesnt make us a saint, nor does it automatically means we are obligated to deal with every other animal rights.

OP isn't preaching it like some holy act. If knowing the fact can change your mind, even a little, enough to say give synthetic hair a try next time, thats a plus!.

Its neither arrogance or self righteous.
Im so sick of seeing that as counterargument to be honest trench raider, sorry, its not just you, its when everytime I see someone trying to suggest
something different for a good cause, they get hit with same retorts.

nkelsch wrote:
Maybe eyelashes or nose hair is best... But then we will find the eyelashes of newborn infants make the best brushes and we will find out GW sneaks into hospitals to pluck the eyelashes from day-old babies to make the finest brushes ever made. The cruelty never ends!

While you joke about that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140702/South-Korea-customs-officials-thousands-pills-filled-powdered-human-baby-flesh.html

If there is a market for it the Chinese will provide.

Can you see why I don't entirely trust them when it comes to Sable Brush hairs?

 LunaHound wrote:
Just because 1 act of kindness happens, doesnt make us a saint, nor does it automatically means we are obligated to deal with every other animal rights. OP isn't preaching it like some holy act. If knowing the fact can change your mind, enough to say give synthetic hair a try next time, thats a plus!. Its neither arrogance or self righteous.
Im so sick of seeing that as counterargument to be honest trench raider, sorry.

You missed my point.
In the statement I quote above he dismisses those who disagree with his views as being "uncaring simpletons" and goes on to describe those who hold his views as being "enlightened". That smacks of arroance and "pat yourself on the back" self-righteousness.

TR

"Them" is the evul Chinesesys right?

Jesus mate, take it to the OT forum where hate and Fox News live.



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We're trying to have a decent debate here.

Less of the "dem 'n' uz" gak.

 Trench-Raider wrote:

I am aware the world is inhabited by uncaring simpletons mostly.

If the result of this thread is that 1 person is enlightened against 100 of these Homo Heidelbergensis types, then I consider it a succes already.

Pardon me while I roll my eyes at the arrogance and self-righteousness of this statement by the OP. And people have the gall to say that my far-right political views are "intolerant"....

Hey OP. Do you support the acts of eco-terrorist groups like "Earth First" "Earth Liberation Front", "Animal Liberation Front", and others who use violence and criminal acts to attack what they deem to be "animal cruelty"?

TR

Edit: I will probably not reply again to this thread as I can see it having the potential of getting me in trouble. I have a short fuse when it comes to dealing with animal rights extremists. Needless to say the whole point raised by the OP is a non-issue to me...

You don't have to be an animal rights activist/terrorist to care about animal cruelty.

And if you look at the state of our world as it is today, would you say it is ruled by lovely intelligent and responsible creatures?

I stand by those words because they are true.

 TBD wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Maybe eyelashes or nose hair is best... But then we will find the eyelashes of newborn infants make the best brushes and we will find out GW sneaks into hospitals to pluck the eyelashes from day-old babies to make the finest brushes ever made. The cruelty never ends!

While you joke about that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140702/South-Korea-customs-officials-thousands-pills-filled-powdered-human-baby-flesh.html

If there is a market for it the Chinese will provide.

Can you see why I don't entirely trust them when it comes to Sable Brush hairs?

Yet you get an article from the Daily Mail to prove your point.

I'll let you off as you're not British.

 Trench-Raider wrote:

You missed my point.
In the statement I quote above he dismisses those who disagree with his views as being "uncaring simpletons" and goes on to describe those who hold his views as being "enlightened". That smacks of arroance and "pat yourself on the back" self-righteousness.

TR

I see, I was responding to speficially http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/489536.page#4990772
will read further when I get home xD

Aw come on Grim, yours were not much more scientific!

 Ratius wrote:
"Them" is the evul Chinesesys right?

Jesus mate, take it to the OT forum where hate and Fox News live.



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We're trying to have a decent debate here.

Less of the "dem 'n' uz" gak.

This is not a them and us debate.

It is important to the discussion because it plays a role in the industry.


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 TBD wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Maybe eyelashes or nose hair is best... But then we will find the eyelashes of newborn infants make the best brushes and we will find out GW sneaks into hospitals to pluck the eyelashes from day-old babies to make the finest brushes ever made. The cruelty never ends!

While you joke about that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140702/South-Korea-customs-officials-thousands-pills-filled-powdered-human-baby-flesh.html

If there is a market for it the Chinese will provide.

Can you see why I don't entirely trust them when it comes to Sable Brush hairs?

Yet you get an article from the Daily Mail to prove your point.

I'll let you off as you're not British.

Google it, and you will find numerous different sources. I just took the top one.

How so?

What "industry"? Mass scale, local production, internal sales/exports?

I'm not having a go really, just thought your terminology was kinda...."dodgy"

Ok [edit by waaagh_gonads] kinda racist.

 TBD wrote:
Maybe very silly, but couldn't they simply make (smaller) brushes out of human hair? Barbershops and the needy could make an extra buck, and it would be for a good cause too

Is it not considered usable? Anybody happen to know?

Different animal hairs behave differently with different materials - this includes human animal hair.

The issue which we are looking to address is a hair which is capable of holding fairly large amounts of water while remaining stiff but flexible. Human hair generally is not a good fiber for this. We don't develop a winter coat of fibers that provide excellent insulation (and subsequently the excellent water holding abilities). Squirrel hair is comparable in many respects, though it tends to be much softer than sable (and when people catch/kill a squirrel, they tend to eat the meat). Pony hair - from the undercoat of horses during the winter - is OK as well, though again - not quite on par with sable in terms of being able to hold water. The ponies are not harmed in the process of collecting the hair...though they are kept as slaves for our own amusement. Certain brushes are a blend of different animal fibers in order to get a better overall brush. Camel for example isn't really from camel but tends to be a mix of goat, pony, squirrel and sometimes ox depending on the shape and bristle length on the brush. The hairs from the goats and oxen can be harvested easily without killing the animals - though it does tend to be things like hairs from the ears of the ox...so...however you feel about plucking hairs from the ears of oxen - I don't know.

This thread is full of so much fail it makes my brain want to bleed. If your seriously outraged by it, don't use or by them. Jesus man change your tampon and drive on

You don't have to be an animal rights activist/terrorist to care about animal cruelty.

And if you look at the state of our world as it is today, would you say it is ruled by lovely intelligent and responsible creatures?

I stand by those words because they are true.

So your not going to answer my question abou eco-terrorist groups. That's fine. Nothing says you have to.

I also stand my statment that a quote that boils down to "if you hold my views you are one of the special 'enlightened' elite and the rest of humanity are stupid troglodites" is arrogant, dismissive, and self-righteous.

And if I had to hazzard a guess, you hate "intolerant" people, don't you?

TR

I am currently envisioning using my pet mice as monster drybrushes.
I think it would be work, they are great mice, very handleable, I might even get away with it..

Funny as the vision is, there is no way I would do such a thing.

 darefsky wrote:
This thread is full of so much fail it makes my brain want to bleed. If your seriously outraged by it, don't use or by them. Jesus man change your tampon and drive on

Stealing some of that for sig.

 Trench-Raider wrote:

You don't have to be an animal rights activist/terrorist to care about animal cruelty.

And if you look at the state of our world as it is today, would you say it is ruled by lovely intelligent and responsible creatures?

I stand by those words because they are true.

So your not going to answer my question about eco-terrorist groups. That's fine. Nothing says you have to.

When was the last time they actually did anything,
And they are also a tiny minority within pro-animal right groups

I'm gone six hours and this has reached Seven Pages and now involves Eco Terrorism?

 Trench-Raider wrote:

You don't have to be an animal rights activist/terrorist to care about animal cruelty.

And if you look at the state of our world as it is today, would you say it is ruled by lovely intelligent and responsible creatures?

I stand by those words because they are true.

So your not going to answer my question abou eco-terrorist groups. That's fine. Nothing says you have to.

I also stand my statment that a quote that boils down to "if you hold my views you are one of the special 'enlightened' elite and the rest of humanity are stupid troglodites" is arrogant, dismissive, and self-righteous.

And if I had to hazzard a guess, you hate "intolerant" people, don't you?

TR

You assume a lot of incorrect things, bring up nonsense none of which was referred to in this thread by anybody, and lack the reading comprehension to understand that basically I did answer your question.

All of this only proves my point.

 TBD wrote:
You assume a lot of incorrect things

Irony at its best.

Well, I think that's gone on quite long enough. Since those on both sides of the discussion seem more inclined to sling insults around than to actually discuss the issue, we're done here.