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So Question if you get the infiltrate D3 infantry units - can you infiltrate a unit with there designated transport? If so where is the rule written in BRB or Chaos Codex? Thanks for the help.

The trait gives d3 infantry units the infiltrate special rule, so it works on them just like it works on anyone who comes with the infiltrate rule. So yes, they can in fact infiltrate inside a dedicated transport. p38.

Kevlar wrote:
The trait gives d3 infantry units the infiltrate special rule, so it works on them just like it works on anyone who comes with the infiltrate rule. So yes, they can in fact infiltrate inside a dedicated transport. p38.

Agreed, the BGB is clear on it.

BRB, Page 38, Infiltrate - 4th paragraph.

You guys are so awesome! Thanks.... My friend and team mate were working on a tourney list and I thought that you could infiltrate vehicles with the unit with that ability and I could not see the ruling in the Chaos Codex. Thanks to all!

I have a followup question. What happens if you give an IC (say sorcerer) the infiltrate. He then joins a plague marine squad before deploying. Can the IC, the plague marines, and their ded. transport infiltrate? I was looking at the wording, but I couldn't mate a definite decision.

If one model in a unit has the Infiltrate special rule, he confers it to everybody else.

So I would assume that those 3 formentioned together would count as 1 squad in the D3 that you can infiltrate.

 TheMostSlyFox wrote:
If one model in a unit has the Infiltrate special rule, he confers it to everybody else.

Except for attached ICs, which dont have Infiltrate if the unit does

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 TheMostSlyFox wrote:
If one model in a unit has the Infiltrate special rule, he confers it to everybody else.

Except for attached ICs, which dont have Infiltrate if the unit does

But if the IC has infilitrate he gives it to the whole squad. Bonkers.

The problem with that though is that an IC only joins a unit if he is in coherency with it or joins when they are in reserves. If a unit does not already have Infiltrate then they are deployed as normal - at which point, before the Infiltrating IC.

 toxic_wisdom wrote:
The problem with that though is that an IC only joins a unit if he is in coherency with it or joins when they are in reserves. If a unit does not already have Infiltrate then they are deployed as normal - at which point, before the Infiltrating IC.

True enough. I guess Shrike and Karandras can't give anyone infiltrate anymore. Although they could all join units in reserve to let them outflank.

No, you can join a unit before deployment. See page 39.

 Leth wrote:
No, you can join a unit before deployment. See page 39.

Which part of page 39? all I see is:

"An Independent Character can begin the game already with a unit,
either by being deployed in unit coherency with it or, if the unit is in
reserve, by informing your opponent of which unit it has joined."

Which to me looks like he doesn't join until after he and the unit are both deployed (or declared to be in reserve).

Yep... / that \ ...those are the two conditions where an IC can join a unit at the start of a game.

As for Scorpions & Karandras, just give the Exarch Shadowstrike and all is good :-)

I don't think the exarch needs the power as Karandaras has a special rule where he acts like an Exarch for a squad of scorpions, thereby giving them his abilities.

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I don't think the exarch needs the power as Karandaras has a special rule where he acts like an Exarch for a squad of scorpions, thereby giving them his abilities.

With the current edition, Karandras & Scorpions fall into the same situation... as the Striking Scorpions would need to have the Shadowstrike ability in order for them to Infiltrate and Karandras along side them.

Want to check if I'm interpreting all the consequences of this rule correctly.

Is it fair to say that an IC without infiltrate cannot join a unit with infiltrate even if they are not infiltrating, say they are outflanking or in normal reserves or just deployed in the standard DZ.

Bugs_N_Orks wrote:

 Leth wrote:
No, you can join a unit before deployment. See page 39.

Which part of page 39? all I see is:

"An Independent Character can begin the game already with a unit,
either by being deployed in unit coherency with it or, if the unit is in
reserve, by informing your opponent of which unit it has joined."

Which to me looks like he doesn't join until after he and the unit are both deployed (or declared to be in reserve).

"Begin the game already within a unit" and "Being deployed in unit coherency" does not seem to exclude an independent character from infiltrating with a unit. You just have to field the non-infiltrating unit in coherency with the infiltrating character. No part of the infiltrate rule has been broken.

The condition of starting the game attached to a unit isn't a separate entity - there are two ways to do so, one of them is being deployed with the unit. If said unit does not already have Infiltrate then it can't simply hang around after normal deployment and wait for an Infiltrating IC. Besides, ICs join units...units do not join ICs.

 toxic_wisdom wrote:
The condition of starting the game attached to a unit isn't a separate entity - there are two ways to do so, one of them is being deployed with the unit. If said unit does not already have Infiltrate then it can't simply hang around after normal deployment and wait for an Infiltrating IC. Besides, ICs join units...units do not join ICs.

It isn't hanging around waiting. It is "beginning the game in the unit" just like the rule says. The only other part of the rule that needs to be satisfied is that they deploy in coherency. The rule specifically allows them to "begin the game in the unit" so the whole unit has infiltrate and can "hang around waiting for deployment".

Read the rule again, the IC can begin the game attached to a unit if X or Y happens.

Explain how a unit without Infiltrate is not on the table during normal deployment (excluding Reserves since this is not the topic).

 toxic_wisdom wrote:
Read the rule again, the IC can begin the game attached to a unit if X or Y happens.

Explain how a unit without Infiltrate is not on the table during normal deployment (excluding Reserves since this is not the topic).

Because they are beginning the game with an IC attached that has the infiltrate USR. The only further restriction is that they must be deployed in coherency. This is so that you can not say something like "My IC is deploying with this unit", granting the unit infiltrate before the game begins, then deploy them in two different places.

Following the whole list building and setup... an IC has Infiltrate but neither Unit 1 nor Unit 2 have it. Fast forward to deployment = is the IC attached to either unit yet ? No. sooo... both units must follow the normal rules (before infiltrators). You cannot hold one unit back and claim it is going to infiltrate because the IC is going to join the unit.

The IC is not attached until it is deployed within coherency of the unit = which if the IC intends to Infiltrate wouls be after normal deployment.