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I really like the color scheme these marines have and is wondering if these were from a certain legion or chapter.

As the legion number on the shoulder visible in one picture is either VII or XVII, it means that they are either pre-heresy Imperial Fists or Word Bearers

I guess the closest would be a recently-turned Word Bearers scheme...

7th Legion i think...

Yep. VII, 7th Legion, Imperial Fists

Hmmm. Any ideas what sort of unit these guys belong to? Were the Imperial Fists originally red or something?

0.o Why is there so much debate over this? Its the Word Bearers, Legion XVII. The colour scheme's the same as their traitor one (the shoulder pads colour changes from black to red depending on the art). ...The Imperial Fists are bright yellow, which may be a slight hint it isn't them.

Except the shoulder pads say VII.

Yes dear, they missed out the X. ...Youknow with the models being painted in the Word Bearers colour scheme, not the Imperial Fists one. Perhaps they didn't have any XVII transfers so they just went for VII instead... Maybe they couldn't fit the X in. I donno, but its obvious that its the Word Bearers.

While I don't think they would just forget an X, we can agree that we don't agree. Either way, I now have an awesome color scheme for my new chapter. Blood something or other

Why does it have to be the Legion number and not for example the squad number? The Imperial Fists were never red.

It could be Imperial Fists if the models were actually painted a dirty gold style, with black shoulder pads. That was pre heresy color scheme: gold/yellow and black.

Maybe the lighting or something is making them look slightly red. It would make more sense then someone forgot the X in XVII.

Could be Blood Angels too (they also have had the red and with black pauldrons scheme). Yes, Squad number is marked on the right shoulder pad too. Meh, either way its definitely not Imperial Fists.

To be fair, from the angle of the shot, we only see the legion number on one shoulder pad, and even then its at an angle where there could be ANY roman numeral to the left of the V.

Isn't there something about Ultramarines painting their armor red in shame? Or is that just their helmets?

Just their helmets. But yes, the VII could be company or squad number - I've never seen Legion number displayed like that.

I'd ignore the idea that the VII is Legion number, and go with the colour scheme, which can only be Word Bearers or a reallllly dark Blood Angels scheme, unless FW are introducing Badab-style camo to their Legions...

The only other red coloured legion is pre-heresy Thousand Sons, and they don't really look the part...

I'm going to call them blood angels as that is the pre-heresy army I am doing, along with Iron Warriors.

The armour is like that because it's discoloured. They're from a destroyer squad, a specialist unit which uses rad weapons and other estoric technology which discolours their armour.

I'm assuming this is from the new FW Horus Heresy book?

Imperial Fists were never Red. It's likely Word Bearers since FW does all the heresy era stuff. It's likely the 7 is a unit number.

SilentApocalypse wrote:
Except the shoulder pads say VII.

You can't see the whole thing. It could easily be XVII, which would be Word Bearers.


And since the Word Bearers are eventually red, and the Imperial Fists are always yellow, it doesn't take much deductive reasoning to figure it out.

The critical flaw in reasoning is assuming that markings are identifying the Legion. There is no reason to think that it is, especially given that they're on the right shoulder. Red and black implies either IX or XVII Legion.

You can't see the whole thing. It could easily be XVII, which would be Word Bearers.

While you can't see the X, I was judging by the fact that there would not be much space left for an X, not to mention it would not be symmetrical, which is something most people try to achieve with squad markings. But whatever it turns out to be, I am using the color scheme



I basing my judgement off of the one in the back to the right of the sergeant.

Now that I think about it, these guys have a a very similar color scheme to the marines on the cover of what I think is the Tales of Heresy (It's one of the short stories collections.)

 ArbitorIan wrote:
But yes, the VII could be company or squad number - I've never seen Legion number displayed like that.

Ive seen quite a few pre heresy schemes done with the legion on the shoulder. If you check out the painted up Angron on Forgeworld, the World Eaters he's killin have XIII on their shoulder pad.

Im still seeing it as a possible bronze color, and the guy used bronze as his interpretation of the yellow/gold for Imperial Fists.

 rems01 wrote:
The armour is like that because it's discoloured. They're from a destroyer squad, a specialist unit which uses rad weapons and other estoric technology which discolours their armour.

Destroyer squads don't use Volkite Calivers, only Serpentas and not in that quantity. Four Calivers + a sgt makes it a Tactical Support squad.

My first thought was Word Bearers, they don't look like Word Bearers, but they look as close to Word Bearers as FWs Sons of Horus minis do to Sons of Horus. But now I'm wondering if they could be early Khornate World Eaters? Could the red be an attempt at stripped blood-smeared metal?

And here was me thinking PH Word Bearers wore black...




Straight from the Index Astartes article.

Before the Heresy they wore dark grey. During the Heresy they changed to dark red.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/HEAVY_BOLTER_SET.html

This one has a 6 on the shoulder pad, but I am pretty sure it is not a Space Wolf...

 Fifty wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/HEAVY_BOLTER_SET.html

This one has a 6 on the shoulder pad, but I am pretty sure it is not a Space Wolf...

Good catch. Only takes one person to actually do some research, lol.


It's probably a company or squad designation then. But by coloration, almost definitely Word Bearers or perhaps Blood Angels. I lean towards the first simply because the Word Bearers, having just switched their colors, might not have yet had a chance to add heraldic elements back onto the armor. Perhaps Word Bearers at Calth or Isstvan?