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 Lansirill wrote:


I think it's interesting you pulled the IA example, because in one of his posts Jody Siegel said that the plastics he's creating are just as good as the resin. I believe IA is going with Trollcast, which sounds like it's putting out a very high quality plastic though.

That well might be, both for IA and KD.

I am not even arguing over the quality differences. I am an atrocious painter and not one that could adequately judge that.

All I am saying is that the whole spiel of "limited, hand-cast, special resin-version" of the "mundane" plastic miniature for industrial production hits all the right strings for the majority of people digging into Kickstarter for the exact reasons many of them are on Kickstarter. It's that feeling of getting the special treatment, of being "one of the few" how has the special deal and not "one of them" who buys the product off the shelf.

So anyone planning on doing Kickstarters in the near future will hardly be oblivious to Kingdom Death's runaway success. Wrath of Kings in February? Mantic's Warpath sometime after that? I am sure they are considering it right now.

Starweaver wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!

Right here:

Many thanks!

Yeah... I'm rather red-faced to admit it, but with my eyes I can't tell the difference between those two in terms of detail. Reassuring to see that both options will be stellar!

This is a non-issue. Just look at the pics. I believe trollcast plastic is nearly the same as resin. Kingdom death's is not. Neither is Privateer Press'.

GW type plastic may well equal resin. Trollcast may. But KD's and PP's don't, from what I've seen in-person (PP) and in pics (KD).

It is close, and more than good enough for me.

I would be curious how it compares to Zombiecide plastic, and soon Sedition Wars. From what I have seen in-person, Zombiecide's plastic level of detail crispness is lower than PP's.

If KD can get PP level detail, I'll be happy. But clearly resin is better than these materials, that (as I said) is a non-issue... the only issue is where on the quality gradient the plastic is, with GW/Dreamforge being on the high end, and Zombiecide being (imo) on the low end, with PP in the middle.

The resin details are a bit sharper.

Look at the belt studs, the armor edges and the sword.

Overall, not a big difference, and I'll take the reduced cost and the increased durability any day!

Especially as I want a second Flower Knight for a Counts As Daemon Prince...

Alph- exactly. As long as it is near PP's plastic in detail quality, I'll be happy.

Zombiecide, on the other hand, has too soft of detail in their plastic for my taste (and for the cost that KD is charging).

 RiTides wrote:
Alph- exactly. As long as it is near PP's plastic in detail quality, I'll be happy.

Zombiecide, on the other hand, has too soft of detail in their plastic for my taste (and for the cost that KD is charging).

Agreed on that count - but I see Zombicide as a Beer and Pretzels type of board game and KD as a more 'upscale' one with way more modeling and painting opportunities, as well as more opportunities to use the miniatures in other gamest too.

Also I bought the resin flower knight- and the resin is too fragile for most gaming use with the fine features he has. Hence, the need for a compromise with a decent plastic, for cost and durability, but still retaining good detail levels.


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Agreed Alph- which is why this Should have better plastic than Zombiecide, and I hope does.

Backed this beast along with the expansions. This is going to be a long year of waiting...

I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.

Unfortunately, Ed is completely swamped with RBGs KS, his own KS and now IAs KS to manage to fit KDs in for a trollcast material. It's a great shame, as I've only heard excellent things about trollcast, and seeing how Adam Poots and KD is quality first, it would have been so much more appropriate.

 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.

Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.

Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)

Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.

Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)

Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!

I just did a couple of posts above.

Seeing the plastics did make me upgrade my phenox dancer from plastic to resin, but made me confident in the quality of the plastics in the box set.

Yeah, bendiness / lack of detail is a concern- I'd like more comparison pics from KD. At $15 for single figure add-ons, polystyrene ( a la GW, Dreamforge ) would've been preferable.

It's the only thing I'm worried about here. I don't have a use for low quality figs... but I think the quality will be good enough.

What does Privateer Press use?

During Sedition Wars Mike McVey said that from a painters point of view he'd choose resin over plastic over metal,

with there being very little difference between the resin & 'plastic' he's using for his Sedition wars box,

Ali 'threw' some paint on this plastic



and is keen to do a side by side between the resin and plastic painted to her exacting professional standard so we can see if there is any difference in the end

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

I don't imagine you might have any pictures? The comparison shown earlier makes it look like they are scarcely different, very curious to see what constitutes a "big difference". Although in fairness, if even you are saying "that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must" I think I'll stick with that, I'm simply not gentlemen enough with my poor minis...

I'm more interested in lightly primed (to remove contrast differences) than fully painted.

Even though they're both through CMON, is Sedition Wars plastic different/better than Zombiecide? (which as I said, I've seen in-person and consider it the low end- more "game pieces" than models).

Adam Poots should, I think, make a speed commission of a high level painter to paint up both the resin and plastic twilight pin-up for people to get a better opinion about the materials.

I've stated it before. The plastic (from the Experiment of Death) is alright. It will be excellent, no doubt, for gaming. My personal opinion, though, is that the plastic twilight pin-up is far inferior ro the resin version. However, the plastic Wet Nurse is actually better than the smaller miniature counterpart. So I guess that the plastic might work a lot better for bigger pieces.

Grefven, pics would be great, especially if you have primed both! Or can zoom in on areas that show the limitations of the plastic / differences between the two.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm more interested in lightly primed (to remove contrast differences) than fully painted.

Even though they're both through CMON, is Sedition Wars plastic different/better than Zombiecide? (which as I said, I've seen in-person and consider it the low end- more "game pieces" than models).

I have the resin models for whatever the other faction in Sedition Wars is called, they are very very nice, I could take some pictures of them later today if you'd like.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

I don't imagine you might have any pictures? The comparison shown earlier makes it look like they are scarcely different, very curious to see what constitutes a "big difference". Although in fairness, if even you are saying "that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must" I think I'll stick with that, I'm simply not gentlemen enough with my poor minis...

I don't have any of them painted or primed, unfortunately. And I most likely never will. I am into KD for the collecting bits, which might explain why I see such a big difference between the resin and plastic.

Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).

 RiTides wrote:
Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).

Gotcha, I will say this though. If the Sedition Wars plastics are as nice as the Sedition Wars resin's I have, then anyone that buys the game is getting one of the best deals on models of all time. The resin's are some of the best models I've seen detail wise beating alot of the stuff that Forge World puts out.

I'll see what I can do tomorrow, don't expect any high quality shots, though as I don't got any phototent or any good camera.

I have to say, I can't see much of any difference between the plastic and resin figures, aside from a few minor mold lines. If the rest of the figures are as good as that one, I will definitely be a happy camper.

**** it. I'm going to assemble and paint my Hunter this weekend.

We'll see what happens.

grefven wrote:
I'll see what I can do tomorrow, don't expect any high quality shots, though as I don't got any phototent or any good camera.

Fantastic, thanks!!

grefven wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.

Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)

Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!

I just did a couple of posts above.

Ironically, your comments seem to lack the detail we're after!

Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?

Thanks for the Twlight Knight comparasion pic, while there are some differences between the two such as the resin version having cleaner lines, slightly bigger, the plastic version is still very high quality as a gaminig miniature goes. The resin is version is great for the collector and pro-painter alike but I would'nt say anything is "lost" on the plastic, very happy about that.

Either way, resin or plastic your getting a great deal. BTW only 8k left to go.