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CptJake wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

CptJake wrote:
To be fair, comparing KD with C'MON isn't fair yet.

C'MON was pretty darned good with comms up until the project(s) ended. KD has not yet had a chance to prove himself for the 'after the project pays' comms. And since he has a LONG time between project end and estimated delivery it will be interesting to see how he steps up.

Jake

Ironically enough... no one was.


Thanks!

Really? Then all the posts which led to ones like this:

Responds to Feedback, Posts Updates often:
-Mantic
-Kingdom Death
-Dreamforge
-On The Lamb
-JunkRobot
-Imbrian Arts
-Gangfight Games
-Impact!

Lacks in Communication, doesn't update:
-CoolMini

Must not have happened.... Sorry, I was pretty sure I read all those posts in this topic. Oh wait. I did.

Ugh.

When you said someone compared them to CMON - well... no one did. Your example? Not really a good one.

Do me a favor - go back and see how this got dragged off topic and note how it was via a COMPLIMENT to how this Kickstarter is being run.

After that, feel free to keep this topic on point - any off topic stuff from here on in will have... consequences.

Thanks!

@RiTides, What you call smart, I call fiscally possible!

@CptJake, I am actually sort of really you feel that way! I was really on the fence, turning over the choices in my head while going over the budget on just how many bases I could afford to add / how many people felt they needed.

Support after kickstarter ends - well the very first thing I am going to do, is take a few days off and catch up on sleep! I want to say I'd love to keep this level of communication ongoing & forever, but It would have to be exclusively in a few isolated places and some ground rules would have to be set in place. Answering questions is easy, but truly participating can be much more tricky. As a forum goer, I naturally very rarely have anything to add and the conversations can be vast and mighty indeed!

I actually quite like the CMON guys. They picked up a banner and believed in a bigger market for the independent miniature ranges and really pushed for it. What can make them seem distant at times, is that they can let the business side of them take over the fan / hobby side. Which I have to say is a very important skill when your running an operation of any size. As the kickstarter continues I am filled with just so much excitement I want to just scream YAAYY!! and give everything away for free! But… haha, I have to keep my feelings in check and spend some time looking over spreadsheets and frowning a lot.

So um…. yah!

Poots - Could ya update the Survivor/Deluxe survivor graphics to include the new freebies?

I frown at lots of Spreadsheets too. It's like... the nature of spreadsheets.

@Cyporiean, Yes!

But first I MUST finish the gameplay video. It is the highest thing on my priority list. Then I can think about how exactly to update / reorganize everything.

The gameplay video should help drive sales up - people might be hesitant to buy into something they don't know much about.

It could be a way to add a lot more true 'game players' to the campaign, or help convince existing pledgers to go in for even more.

Personally, I can't wait to see what the next monster expansion is - I'm already hooked!

Gameplay video would be great as well.

What shows are you doing next year?

Not sure what shows yet. I Want to go to salute & Gencon, but thats all I am looking into at the moment!

 kingdomdeath wrote:
@Cyporiean, Yes!

But first I MUST finish the gameplay video. It is the highest thing on my priority list. Then I can think about how exactly to update / reorganize everything.

You could also just update the text on the main page . I actually didn't realize there were graphics for the Survivor contents, but the text is a bit dated.

I am currently pledged for $45 more than I have things that I want yet. I'm pretty sure the next expansion will take up ($15? $30?) of that, and then maybe one more add-on figure... it's not going to be enough.

I would obviously love to see more monsters but it's getting pricey to add them! At the least, hopefully they continue to be discounted from retail.

I'm already selling a few things so should be in the clear, but yeah... looking at my bottom line very carefully too

And gameplay video is definitely the top priority, so it's great that you're working on that!

@Kingdomdeath,

Could you take a second to explain what constitutes an "armor kit", since I still haven't figured it out?

Like, does 4x Lion armor kits = 4x complete models wearing Lion armor?

Or does it mean 4x sets of Lion armor for use on other miniatures?

One armour kit constitutes four complete minis (two male, two female) clad in the respective kind of armour and a bunch of weapon arms to go with them.
The bottom frame on this pic contains what I've come to understand is, together, one armour kit:


Edit oh disregard the text overlay; one kit contains those bits once, not twice (thats because the stretch goal was doubling the amount of a certain army kit given with a certain level or whatever )

So 4 armour kits makes you 4x4 minatures, thus 16 mini's. (8 male, and 8 female.)

Daaaamn, that completely changes my perspective on the value of what's being offered here.

I was still tentatively under the impression that armor kits were upgrades to/for the basic survivor models, rather than self-sufficient kits unto themselves.

I'm almost certainly going to jump onboard now. The only remaining obstacle is the necessary tedium of actually registering on Kickstarter.

Not actually that bad, assuming you already have an account with Amazon.

Yes, get an Amazon account set up first.

Better yet, get a Paypal MasterCard. Makes it so much easier (which may be a bad thing ).

These are some good looking figures.

Not too excited about the barbi and ken stuff, but hey.

I for one will be looking over the play vid before anything else.

Are there more options later for the game. or is this a package deal, in much the same way as all of the other "Boutique" stuff, as in they are around for about five or six and then they are not given any more attention?

Not a real fan of "Oh, sorry we made something you wanted, we're sold out."

I hope the game plays well. Interesting concept and good looking sculpts.

I would like to see some more shots of the figures in comparison to the other guys in the selections.

size wise, theres still some really gaping holes in the project.

hmmm... maybe i should re-word it.

Seems "compatible" is a better way to describe things then "interchangeable".

and

"Lion Armor Kit" is not as clear as "Lion Armored Survivors" ?

 Grot 6 wrote:
These are some good looking figures.

Not too excited about the barbi and ken stuff, but hey.

Barbie and Ken stuff?

2012/12/03 12:30:39 Subject: Re:Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread
Are there more options later for the game. or is this a package deal, in much the same way as all of the other "Boutique" stuff, as in they are around for about five or six and then they are not given any more attention?

Not a real fan of "Oh, sorry we made something you wanted, we're sold out."

If you're worried about it selling out or otherwise being unavailable latter... well, thank goodness you have a chance to buy it before that happens.


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 Grot 6 wrote:
These are some good looking figures.

size wise, theres still some really gaping holes in the project.

What does that even mean? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just having trouble understanding anything you're saying.

 Grot 6 wrote:
These are some good looking figures.

EDIT

Are there more options later for the game. or is this a package deal, in much the same way as all of the other "Boutique" stuff, as in they are around for about five or six and then they are not given any more attention?

Not a real fan of "Oh, sorry we made something you wanted, we're sold out."

I hope the game plays well. Interesting concept and good looking sculpts.

I would like to see some more shots of the figures in comparison to the other guys in the selections.

size wise, theres still some really gaping holes in the project.

I'm sure Adam plans to sell the game after the KS,

although he's stated his dislike of the 'huge' discounts offered by some online retailers and the impact of this on FLGS so don't expect to find the basic game much cheaper than on the KS (unlike Dreadball & Zombicide)

He's already 'released' 2 expansions on the KS (Flower Knight and Dragon King) containing extra 'scenarios', cands and figures, he's not said if these will go on retail at the same time as the box or will be released later to keep the interest up

Size wise the human figures are tall but not bulky), 35mm figures, so if you're plaing to use them in gaming think carefully how you'll use them... eg a unit of 6'6 to 7' tall humans in an army may work, dropped randomly into units would look poor (compare the space marine with the middle KD mini). Actually they'd probably work well with the new Dystopian Wars stuff

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z196/Captain_Sprout/pin1.jpg

Adam has said the optional 'pin up' minis will make it into his webstore but not until after KS fulfilment

and game wise he's working on a video/videos at the moment and has said he hopes to get at least on up by the 4th

I believe that the wording may be confusing, especially for people not following this KS from the beginning and don't want to read through several thousands comments to get an understanding of what is going on.

In the "kits", write a notice that it also comes with survivors and not only the "armour/weapons" upgrades. I think there is some confusion about what is going on. Also remember that not everyone is native English, and there might be language problems too.

I just came across this Kickstarter 5 minutes ago and it looks impressive.

The pledge levels seem simple enough, but I got lost going through the freebie and payed for add ons.

How much money do I need to throw at to get all the good stuff ?

Right on the front page:

Game Expansions:
Flower Knight Expansion + $15 (MSRP $30)
Dragon King Expansion + $30 (MSRP $60)

Optional Plastic Minis ( increase your pledge to get these )
Rawhide Dame, plastic + $15
Beyond the Wall, plastic +$15
Watcher, plastic +$15
Phoenix Dancer, plastic +$15
Kingsmen Regiment x 5 plastic minis +$20
Kingsmen Deluxe Regiment x25 plastic minis +$50
Primal Huntress, plastic +$15
Lioness, plastic +$15

Optional Resin Minis ( increase your pledge to get these )*resin miniatures are suggested for experienced hobbyists only
Rawhide Dame, resin +$25
Beyond the Wall, resin +$27
Phoenix Dancer, resin +$25
Kingsmen, resin +$25
Flower Knight, resin +$29
Paul the Survivor, resin +$25
Primal Huntress, resin +$25
Lioness, resin +$25

So, after pledging for the game itself, pick from that list to get the 'good stuff' - though definitions there will vary!

In fairness Alph, and illustrating the poster's point perfectly, that overlooks the newly unlocked goals:

Survivor Aya: $15 (plastic)/$25 (resin)
Stone face base inserts (10 included in game): 10 for $10/50 for $40
Extra Rawhide Armor Kits: 4 models: $24/20 models: $40

Thanks Alpharius. That list was directly under the list of game contents and I skimmed over it.

If I'm reading this right, the optional miniatures are just cooler sculpts for armor options already included, and do not have unique rules ?

So to get everything, that's not a resculpt, should run $200 ( Survivor $155, Flower Knight Expansion + $15, Dragon King Expansion + $30)

All in right now you are looking at

Survivor level includes Adam, Anna, Aya and Paul survivors in plastic(needed for unlocked stretch rewards) $155
Flower Knight Expansion $15
Dragon King Expansion $30

That’s $200 for the game, stretch extras and expansions.

The following Pin Ups are optional and have no game rules but can be used as alternate survivors with the relevant gear.

Rawhide Dame $15
Pheonix Dancer $15
Lioness $15
Primal Huntress $15


Beyond the Wall is more of display piece and really isn’t suited to gaming.

You do not need more than 1 of each monster as you do not face multiple monsters so there is no need to buy extra Pheonix, Watcher, Kingsmen unless you want them for some other reason (plus you get extras of these at Survivor level anyway)

The miniatures come with plain bases you will get 10 stone face textured bases in the game box you can buy more 10 for $10 or 50 for $40

So you are looking at $200 for the game and 2 expansions.

Thanks DaveC. I admit I had sticker shock when I saw the volume of add ons.

 adamsouza wrote:
Thanks DaveC. I admit I had sticker shock when I saw the volume of add ons.

Indeed - DaveC did it better than me, thanks!

Also, as previously noted, Adam will need to update the main page at some point with a graphic/price representation in order to make it all easier to understand.

I'm sure he will, but then, he'll have to do it again when we hit $500K - the perils of success!

Something tells me, this could eat more than $500 of my money.....

@IdentifyZero: I'll double that bet, and raise another couple of hundreds. :p I can't wait to see what $500k has to offer!