Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Alpharius**

grefven wrote:
I am a bit disappointed if it is the Savior that is the next stretch goal. Why not use the money from this KS to actually commission new miniatures? There is a year until the expected shipping, and so much more could be done rather than re-using older items.

This stretch is a bit meh for me. :/

Possibly because there's already a lot of 'new' in here, and while he's given himself what appears to be a lot of time to meet all the goals and the ship date, he doesn't want to stretch too far and then have a large failure to met demand, expectations, etc.?

Having said that - I'd love to see 'new' things too, and I'd bet we've got a few more of those to go between now and January 7th!

**Lt. Coldfire**

We still got the King to come. He should be new, eh?

**greywulf**

grefven wrote:
I am a bit disappointed if it is the Savior that is the next stretch goal. Why not use the money from this KS to actually commission new miniatures? There is a year until the expected shipping, and so much more could be done rather than re-using older items.

This stretch is a bit meh for me. :/

My impression now is that Adam's major stretch goals are at 50k each. Anything in between is a minor addition. Each monster has been followed by a pinup. I'm guessing the next 50k, 750k, will be the spider pinup.

Unless Adam is changing up his system, there will be a new mini at 750k.

**recruittons**

I am crazy happy with the Savior being on offer next. She was part of my wishlist and is one of my absolute favorite sculpts from KD (that isn't on the baroque/horror end of things)

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Also, screw it. With Spidicules, I'm at 281. I'm now a Herald of Death

**Makaleth**

recruittons wrote:
I am crazy happy with the Savior being on offer next. She was part of my wishlist and is one of my absolute favorite sculpts from KD (that isn't on the baroque/horror end of things)

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Also, screw it. With Spidicules, I'm at 281. I'm now a Herald of Death

You need to get to $300 for that... don't worry, you'll be there soon!
I am dropping some of the pin-ups as I want the discounted expansions... will get the pin-ups slowly later (And want to see quality of the plastic before deciding if I want the resin ones).

Other than Lioness... she will be had in resin!

**recruittons**

Sorry, I meant I was already at 281, so I just bumped up to $301 to get Herald of Death. I'll find SOMETHING to justify the little bit extra

**Makaleth**

There is always the Holiday NICO model, I assume this will be quite limited compared to the other runs (which is saying something)

I doubt resin though

**recruittons**

Eh, pin-ups aren't really my bag, but I'm all but certain there will be at least 1 more expansion that I won't want to miss. I might end up higher than $301, but, for now, it's a very very soft line on what I'm willing to spend.

**mwnciboo**

That Spidercule is going to be Epic for Pre-Heresy battles like the Murder Campaign, or the other XENO's races mentioned in the early Horus Heresy Books! EPIC.

**N'Ferno**

I'll have to raise my CC limit for this....Being in Europe and wanting ALL THE THINGS is going to set me back a loooot of monies...

Totally worth it.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

New pledge level from Adam for those only wanting optional add on minis

$11 Options Only - If you are only interested in the options, you must select this as your reward to cover priority shipping. Add each option to your total pledge amount. A post campaign survey will be sent out to confirm your reward selections. ( This also includes the digital artbook! )

International backers add $24 shipping

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oh and we hit the 725K stretch just after Adam went to sleep so we have a long wait to see what the savior brings to the game

and what's next !

**IK-Painter**

I really want to pledge this kickstarter as the minis are just off the chain! :-)

The only concern I have regarding the figures are some of the noticeable gaps I've seen on some of the pictures - I'm looking at you Gorm - especially on the wrists.

Also, will plastic cement work on these, or is it the kind of weird resin/plastic hybrid PP uses?

But this would be my first kickstarter, so I'm not sure how to do this. Do I pledge a fixed amount to the kickstarter and later select my rewards - or can I add to my pledge, once the kickstarter is over? This would be important to me, as new rewards are unlocked almost on a daily basis.

Cheers!

**Krinsath**

IK-Painter wrote:
But this would be my first kickstarter, so I'm not sure how to do this. Do I pledge a fixed amount to the kickstarter and later select my rewards - or can I add to my pledge, once the kickstarter is over? This would be important to me, as new rewards are unlocked almost on a daily basis.

You pledge for a certain amount, which as an international customer (based on the flag icon) should include the shipping fee as well. You can change that amount at anytime up to the end of the KickStarter (i.e. - January 7th in this case). It appears in this case Adam is trying to cut down on the post-KickStarter billing so he might be a little more stringent on additions than some of the other KickStarters such as DreamForge or Reaper or Mantic. Not to say you can't change it if things get bonkers at the end and you can't be around, but the more people get their stuff right up front the more time he can put into getting everything to backers on time.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

IK-Painter wrote:
I really want to pledge this kickstarter as the minis are just off the chain! :-)

The only concern I have regarding the figures are some of the noticeable gaps I've seen on some of the pictures - I'm looking at you Gorm - especially on the wrists.

Also, will plastic cement work on these, or is it the kind of weird resin/plastic hybrid PP uses?

But this would be my first kickstarter, so I'm not sure how to do this. Do I pledge a fixed amount to the kickstarter and later select my rewards - or can I add to my pledge, once the kickstarter is over? This would be important to me, as new rewards are unlocked almost on a daily basis.

Cheers!

The minis shown are all resin masters so will have to come apart again to be used for mould making (so Adam couldn't fill the gaps/glue stuff like you'd do if you were making them yourself)

He hasn't finalised what plastic he's going to use yet but it's likely you'll need superglue

(his Experiment of Death was hard PVC, so not GW polystrene or PP resin/plastic, but he's also talking to Ed Fortea at Trollforged as well so nothing is certain)

Pledge for what you want on the KS now. You can add extra cash (or remove it or cancel your pledge) up to the point the KS ends in January eg pledge for the basic game & shipping ($145), decide you want to add the gorm expansion (new pledge 185), decide you need a pinup as well (new pledge 200) etc

Once the KS ends your CC is charged (and eventually you'll get a survey asking what your extra cash was for)

At the moment it's looking like you won't be able to add extra cash after the KS (as in many other big projects), as Adam is just one person and wants to keep things as simple as possible

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oh yes, if you're planing on spending almost $300 (including shipping) it's worth making it up to $300 as that gets you two free game expansions

The Manhunter ($15) and The Lion Knight & Court ($25)

**RiTides**

Note the $300 includes shipping cost (so international backers need to only "spend" $255 on figures to get the freebies).

**greywulf**

IK-Painter wrote:

The only concern I have regarding the figures are some of the noticeable gaps I've seen on some of the pictures - I'm looking at you Gorm - especially on the wrists.

Gaps will be easy to fill with green stuff or any kind of modeling putty. I've even been guilty of just filling gaps with glue, but you need to be a bit careful you don't overdo it there.

**Alpharius**

Kingdom Death on Kickstarter wrote:
WHAT IF, I admitted that the Spider Silk Assassin was still being worked on and not even the line art is finished? What would you expect at 780k then? hehehe

Interesting indeed!

Can't wait for the next update.

It should hopefully give us the next two stretch goals...

**Duke Nuke Them**

just a quick thought - looking at the KS website it reads like there hasnt been any benefit/reward for investors in the actual game box since it hit the $350k, and it looks like he has stopped providing survivor rewards at the $474 mark. i may be wrong (please say so if i am!) but it looks like all monies since then have been put into offering more products that we as investors would need to buy in addition to the survivor set / box set..... this seems a bit mean at first glance, as we now have the ability to buy more figures, as the KS is doing so well (but more more money), but we dont see any actuall benefits for our existing pledges...

am i reading this right - or am i missing the point - it looks to me like unless you are willing to up your $ to 300 theres no point in anything since the $475k target was reached.........which was only a little way into the KS process.....

when you look at this and the Reaper KS there is a big difference in how investor money is rewarded - reaper got you more free bonus figs, this KS gets you more chances to spend more money on more figs

by the way - im not a hater - i love this stuff - but im not sure its turning out to be the brilliant deal it first appeared to be - i mean - most of the figsonly have a tiny discount compared to future retail prices ($3 disount on the pin ups), but we need to pay now and wait a year before we get them - surely the deal should be more fair to us that invest?

**Fafnir**

Well, the newest stretch goal will be included in the Survivor level reward.

Also, keep in mind that the survivor level already has some incredibly big bonuses at this point (double everything in the box is a lot of stuff)

**squall018**

Duke Nuke Them wrote:
just a quick thought - looking at the KS website it reads like there hasnt been any benefit/reward for investors in the actual game box since it hit the $350k, and it looks like he has stopped providing survivor rewards at the $474 mark. i may be wrong (please say so if i am!) but it looks like all monies since then have been put into offering more products that we as investors would need to buy in addition to the survivor set / box set..... this seems a bit mean at first glance, as we now have the ability to buy more figures, as the KS is doing so well (but more more money), but we dont see any actuall benefits for our existing pledges...

am i reading this right - or am i missing the point - it looks to me like unless you are willing to up your $ to 300 theres no point in anything since the $475k target was reached.........which was only a little way into the KS process.....

I guess in terms of getting "free" stuff you are correct, but the benefit of pledging is to help all these awesome new models see the light of day, plus we are getting a deep discount on the new stuff that is coming out with the stretch goals. I guess it just depends on what you want out of the KS. I'm pretty cool with the way its gone, though I will admit its getting expensive. I had to see a hard limit of 300$. Plus I believe the savior that we just hit is a "free" model, though someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

**Duke Nuke Them**

Fafnir wrote:
Well, the newest stretch goal will be included in the Survivor level reward.

Also, keep in mind that the survivor level already has some incredibly big bonuses at this point (double everything in the box is a lot of stuff)

yep - but arent those duplicated figs useless in the game? we still need to buy all the extras if we are to play the game to its potential.... good news about the newest one tho

**RiTides**

The expansions are not too deeply discounted, though, for having to pay a year out. Fiscally, it makes the most sense to just get the box / Survivor, and the first 2 more heavily discounted expansions, rather than the others.

At $300 it becomes a good deal again, but it's a good thing Survivor is getting a stretch now, since it was supposed to be the "stretch goal level" from what Adam said at the start.

**devilution**

Too bad he doesn't got a shipping deal for EU :(

Import/Export taxes in Belgium are crazy... And the (belgian) post office charges another 20 Euro just for administration because it's a non EU package.

**Lt. Coldfire**

Duke Nuke Them wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Well, the newest stretch goal will be included in the Survivor level reward.

Also, keep in mind that the survivor level already has some incredibly big bonuses at this point (double everything in the box is a lot of stuff)

yep - but arent those duplicated figs useless in the game? we still need to buy all the extras if we are to play the game to its potential.... good news about the newest one tho

Duplicate monsters are useless in the game, yes, but you can give them to friends, paint/keep them for the hell of it or to use in another game, or sell them--I guarantee there is a lot of interest in particular minis, but not necessarily the game itself. The Watcher and Phoenix especially will have a lot of interest with folks imo. Those are some really awesome models that you get duplicates of at the Survivor Level.

**Sinful Hero**

New level is up. Seems survivor level get a reproduction table included in their game, along with the savior mini.

**Buzzsaw**

Update!

725K has been surpassed! Let's Celebrate with Snow the Savior! An Unexpected Development and 750K up next!
Update #32 · Dec. 20, 2012 · 7 comments

I was a little surprised when I woke up at ( 3PM ) to see the 725k stretch goal beaten! I am still fully expecting a slow down for the holidays and I really need to do shopping!

Everyone eligible for the Survivor or Deluxe Survivor reward level will get Snow the Savior in plastic. As it turns out... Saviors were already written into the game in a small way! The Savior is a character class that will be featured in greater detail later down the road, but they do make a small cameo in KD:M! The settlement revolves around your population, there are many ways to lose people but only a few ways to get more. One of these, is natural child birth which involves some game conditions ( effected by innovations ) and a dice roll on the reproduction table. If your lucky, you might just bring a new born Savior into your settlement!

I don't want to spoil exactly how it works, but I will say they are treated mostly just like any other Survivor. They can still gear up and of course die a terrible death, however they also can gain access to some special rules unique unto themselves. So if you get a Savior, be careful with em! Try to get their experience up and see what happens!

I thought a great way to share this already built in gameplay feature would be to showcase Snow the Savior and include her as a little bonus gift for the campaign reaching this far!

I also want to say that we now have a way to handle backers that want to support the project via options only. Please select the "options only" reward tier which will cover your shipping fees and then simply increase your pledge by the added value of the options you want.

You can access the full text option list from the main page ( there is a little button where the options start ) but here is the list in case you missed it.

Unexpected Development!
I was recently contact by Aaron of Critsucces, they have a pretty awesome kickstarter project making dice rings! We chatted about potentially working together. Check out their kickstarter it's only got 2 days left!
( Read more in the image below )

750K is our next target!

And 800K well... many of you have guessed it. There might just be another monster and another armor kit for us!

**RiTides**

Okay, that's cool about the possible dice ring collaboration

. Fantastic idea.

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Did he link to the dice ring KS?

**Sinful Hero**

He did- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/critsuccess/dice-rings
They seem really neat.

**kingdomdeath**

@Duke Nuke Them,

Kickstarter is not groupon and I am afraid to say that backers are not investors. The tax form that amazon generates for the kickstarter money is pure income. Backer is an appropriate word because it's neither customer or investor, it is indeed something new.

The success of the campaign is fantastic, but I am not taking it lightly and I must ensure it does not sink me.

There are many hard financial realities and the money pledge total is not what I will get to take home. 11% of the total goes directly to amazon / kickstarter. Typically another 10% of backers never pay. ( Sedition Wars dropped from 1.05 mil to 950k in the last day due to this ) The cost of shipping and fulfillment is absolutely insane and will easily eat another 10%.

I need to be very careful with what I gift to backers for supporting the project to ensure that it all still remains possible. Another very scary factor I have to consider, is the cost of the core game box. Due to all the upgrades the cost to make the box has increased by a lot. My initial target retail of $100 is been blow apart and now will have to be more around $120.

All of this is, fantastic and I am extremely excited. But there is not just expectations from backers to manage but also the smooth production of the product and all its expansions.

I am not Reaper, so I apologize in advance for not being able to offer a similar reward structure that they were.

In regards to playing the game to its full potential, I still feel very strongly that the contents of the core game box is all you need to have an amazing time with friends for a staggering number of hours including playtime and hobbytime.

The expansions are just that, expansions you should not feel pressured to attain them in any way. Even as I say this I can understand that the newness of a revealed expansion has a certain allure, but if you are at your budget please resist and just know that it was thanks to your pledge that this great new addition was able to exist at all.

If you are a backer that's in this for a hopeful windfall of "free" miniatures, please understand I am doing my best... and I offer my apologies now and in the future if you are disappointed.

**Absolutionis**

To be honest, the expansions are great. You state the MSRP you will eventually offer them and then make it clear that Kickstarter backers will get a discount.

So far, in this campaign, everything has been crystal-clear. Thank you so much for it.