Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Piston Honda**

Thought I would post this here, just to see if there is any interest. I have to pull my pledge due to personal reasons. This is not a protest or I am angry at xxxx. Just other things came up and have to spend the money somewhere else. I have a 250.00 pledge for the black friday special (I think a 45.00 saving if I remember correctly).

I know I can't just pass this pledge on to another user, but if someone here want to coordinate with me where we are online together, I drop my pledge and you can take my black friday spot, No guarantees, but if any one is interested....

**Schmapdi**

kingdomdeath wrote:
@Duke Nuke Them,

If you are a backer that's in this for a hopeful windfall of "free" miniatures, please understand I am doing my best... and I offer my apologies now and in the future if you are disappointed.

I think, for the most part, you are doing fine on this front (Herald of Death helped immensely, packing in a pin-up or something like you did with the Gorm expansion does too). And I think a small reward like the Savior being added every few stretch goals is plenty. I think part of the reason some people feel the kickstarter has been a bit chinsy is that a lot of the survivor level freebies are duplicates of stuff in the box, and people write them off completely. Take those out - and it's only really Paul, Anya and the Savior that have been added. (I for one, have no interest in the duplicates - but I try to keep in mind they'll have some trade/sale value at a future date).

One thing I think would make for a good "freebie," a stretch goal that adds 10 more base inserts for Survivors, and a further 10 for Heralds. It feels weird to get so few less inserts in the base game box than survivors that come in the base game box. So it'd be nice to even it up a bit.

**spiralingcadaver**

Piston Honda wrote:
Thought I would post this here, just to see if there is any interest. I have to pull my pledge due to personal reasons. This is not a protest or I am angry at xxxx. Just other things came up and have to spend the money somewhere else. I have a 250.00 pledge for the black friday special (I think a 45.00 saving if I remember correctly).

I know I can't just pass this pledge on to another user, but if someone here want to coordinate with me where we are online together, I drop my pledge and you can take my black friday spot, No guarantees, but if any one is interested....

PM'd!

**Dentry**

Saw this posted in the comments section by a backer. Fell in love.

Non-pinup Female Preacher

**Schmapdi**

oh wow - that is fantastic. Much better than the pin-up one (which is a bit too over-the-top-"sexy librarian").

I hope this is a future stretch goal.

**Fafnir**

Her hands look a little too big though. Also, her foot looks a little too large, and perhaps flat. Might just be an early build, however.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

That is a mighty fine archivist!

& Adam, I'm sure most of us don't realise how little margin you end up with even with a the huge amount of pledges the KS has provided so far

so keep up the good work

If you can give use extras (at any backer level) brilliant
(even more of the excellent KD art in the digital book)

If not options are cool too.. I might not be able to afford them now, but if they're created at least I can dream of getting them later

**RiTides**

That preacher is awesome! Probably won't be in this game, though.

I am interested in KD's margins... I'm sure we'll never know, but selling direct (KS, even at the 10-11% fee) and in bulk and far in advance allows a good margin and quantity discount (on plastic). I think he's doing fine.

In the interview ge does state he makes more doing this than he ever did at web design

That's the one bummer here, a bit of "overhead" if you can call it that. Compare to Dreamforge, where the creator does his own models (thus not needing to pay artists) and works a full-time job (so not even needing to pay himself completely, at least until he is selling models). The only overhead there is in manufacturing, and they look lean. So everything, almost, was able to go to manufacturing costs, whereas here a lot needs to go to Poots / various artists. But that's more normal, and Dreamforge is an exception, I think.

**Alpharius**

I think the 'value' in this Kickstarter is already quite good, and anything else, while greatly appreciated, is gravy!

There's been an OK balance of 'free' extras and discounted add-ons. I know I'm happy so far! (If not quite a bit poorer for it!

)

What the heck is the $750K miniature?

I can't figure out what's going on in that silhouette at all!

**Fafnir**

It'll be the Silk/Spider pinup.

**RiTides**

Yeah, that's what I had it pegged as too Fafnir

**squall018**

@ Alpharius, I"ve been trying to figure that out myself. It almost reminds me of one of the flood monsters from Halo. Its right foot looks kind of wierd it almost looks like it could be some kind of growth that comes from its head or torso and then folds back over. It also looks like it has the two lanterns (recurring motif) and I haven't seen a monster with a lantern yet so that is kind of curious as well. I guess we'll see pretty soon.

**DaveC**

Didn't Adam post this morning that the Spider Silk Assassin pin up artwork isn't finished yet and he had planned to add it at $780k? l think I'm seeing a veiled face and 2 ponytails ending in lanterns with a whip in the left hand we'll find out in $7k time

**grefven**

squall018 wrote:
@ Alpharius, I"ve been trying to figure that out myself. It almost reminds me of one of the flood monsters from Halo. Its right foot looks kind of wierd it almost looks like it could be some kind of growth that comes from its head or torso and then folds back over. It also looks like it has the two lanterns (recurring motif) and I haven't seen a monster with a lantern yet so that is kind of curious as well. I guess we'll see pretty soon.

The butcher is a "monster/boss" with plenty of lanterns. :p

**squall018**

grefven wrote:
squall018 wrote:
@ Alpharius, I"ve been trying to figure that out myself. It almost reminds me of one of the flood monsters from Halo. Its right foot looks kind of wierd it almost looks like it could be some kind of growth that comes from its head or torso and then folds back over. It also looks like it has the two lanterns (recurring motif) and I haven't seen a monster with a lantern yet so that is kind of curious as well. I guess we'll see pretty soon.

The butcher is a "monster/boss" with plenty of lanterns. :p

Touche, sir. It could be the silk pinup as was stated before. I guess I feel like the outline looks kind of "monsterish" the lanterns make me feel like it will be a survivor/ pinup. Only 9k more and we won't have to guess.

**Necros**

So.. Is this more like a RPG that uses minis for battles? Or a straight up skirmish battle game? I read through everything (more like skimmed real fast) and can't figure it out

**squall018**

Necros wrote:
So.. Is this more like a RPG that uses minis for battles? Or a straight up skirmish battle game? I read through everything (more like skimmed real fast) and can't figure it out

There hasn't been a TON of detail on the game, but I think its safe to say its a board game with skirmish and RPG elements. You build a civilisation from the ground up and fight mosters to acquire new materials and gain skills. Theres more to it, but so far the 2nd gameplay video isn't out yet so details are a little scarce. I'm sure some of the guys here can add to what I"ve said though.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

A titbit of Kingdom Death info I found by data-mining Adams KS comments

Orlando_the_Technicoloured 24 minutes ago

Re-reading some of Adams comments here's one nobody picked up at the time, but now we have a SAVIOUR in the game.....

@Mystic Weasel, It might excite you to know that I already have 5 unique sculpts of the Savior that represent her at all her age levels! ( to be released next year after the KS ) I am just happy to hear there are some savior fans out there!

so more Saviours for the KD store in 2013 (wonder it they are of Snow, or a new Saviour)

**Dentry**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
so more Saviours for the KD store in 2013 (wonder it they are of Snow, or a new Saviour)

It sounds like they're all Snow. "...the Savior that represent her at all her age levels!"

**Alpharius**

From Adam, over on Boardgamegeek.com (thanks to OrlandotheTechnicoloured (great username, by the way!

) over on the KS comment thread):

Ah!

This thread keeps on getting more interesting! Is depth heavy narrative or is it emergent gameplay? What about games that "fake" depth to make the narrative feel like it has more meaning behind it, like Heavy Rain or side quest heavy rpgs?

There are so many different ways to "play" and its all just so awesome!

Kingdom Death : Monster is a love song to the types of games myself and my gaming group adore the most. It is a game that has been slowly coming to life thanks to years of hard work, the hands of many talented artists and the support of fans, hobbyists, collectors and friends. A fact: this is not a mass market project, nor is the game intended to be mass market and it might never go into major distribution. There are lots of reasons for this and I would be happy to get into them at another time and another place.

A 5 minute gameplay explanation video that covers a single phase of a game, is long. It's VERY long. And as much as I'd love to to cover all 25 of a creatures AI cards, along with the various combinations that can happen as they are played, and a set of 4 survivors each with a full load out of 9 gear cards, I struggle to see that as an effective way to manage my or the viewers time. I do still want to touch upon all of that and give a better view of all that can happen outside of what was highlighted in the gameplay video. But it is certainly a challenge!

Every monster is quite unique and a tremendous amount of time and effort has gone into providing each one with their own flavor. For example, the Lion has an isolate prey AI card, where he will drag knocked down survivors away from the group. And survivors themselves get powerful survival points, which can be used to dodge, move at any time, gain another gear activation or in some cases are required for special maneuvers.

Gear is also not limited to just weapons. A Fecal Salve can be applied to make yourself not a threat, A whisper harp can be strummed to remove a mood card and a Rawhide Drum can be beat to negate damage from intimidation attacks like roars or stare downs.

When I was working on the basics of the combat system, I had a few major essentials for a combat that supported a game that is essentially about cooperation, survival, tools and human tenacity from generation to generation.

No Sure Bets - I am level 20 you are lvl 1, I win gtfo.

Knowledge is Power - Both what you know about fighting the monster and how the survivor is geared can make a big difference. The lion has a particularly dangerous head chomp AI card, if a survivor has an insight ability he might be able to keep peeking the deck for it. Or an opportunity might arise when the lions jaw is struck, a critical on this location would ruin the lions mouth and change the effect of the head chomp AI card. Critical hits are not just limited to pure luck rolls, but it all depends on the gear of the survivor, the settlement, and how the battle unfolds.

I wanted an actual challenge - I will get a little personal here. I find most games to be either painfully easy or worse yet, give me endless duplicated content to grind thru in order to make progress. The default difficulty of this game will be hard. Unless your group is filled with game geniuses your first settlement will fail, you will not make it thru to the end in a single campaign and a lot of survivors will die. I understand a lot of people and groups do not enjoy this and I will design a much easier setting for them.

But for me? I want it to kick my teeth in, I want the game to get my hopes up high only to grind the life out of my poor survivors and leave them helpless in the darkness, endless monsters closing in on them only for the S**T to hit the fan and everyone to just start flipping their garbage.

That moment when your group takes down a lvl 3 phoenix, when you planned and crafted a specific gear list, risked life, limb, sanity and... you managed to pull it off? You'll always remember that group of survivors, those baddasses that despite the odds came back home and the sting on your hand from all the high fives will warm your memory for years to come!

That brief, vibrant spark in the darkness you'll share with friends is the true design purpose, and has been the single most motivating factor behind the project itself.

Without risk their is no reward.
The game very much embodies that."

hope you see something here that helps allay your worries

**Sinful Hero**

I'm thinking the 750k mystery fig might be similar in some way to the Mother and Grand Mother models. Maybe an in-between or prequel to them?

**squall018**

After reading that I'm just more excited. Sounds like a board game version of dark souls ( I know other people have said that ) and I loved Dark Souls so this just gets me more pumped... I'm gonna go play some zombiecide now to ease my craving for board games.

**Sinful Hero**

750k has been hit! Now for the waiting...

**Buzzsaw**

Oh My!

750k, New Pinup, New Options and a Peak at realizing the 800k dream!
Update #33 · Dec. 21, 2012 · comment

750k!!!!! I am furiously typing up this update, otherwise I will be late to wish a dear friend a happy birthday!

Thanks to everyones support we are finally standing on the horizon of one of my favorite ( content-wise ) things. I will save the spoilers for now, but suffice to say it opens up yet another way to start the game. At 800k we will unlock this and I will spill the beans!

By reaching 750k we've unlocked the Leather Queen, a pinup miniature based off the survivors Leather Armor. The sculpt is coming along well and I've crammed in a teaser at the end of this post! Like all the other pinups she is optional and comes with no gameplay rules, think of her as a cheerleader to help fund the larger and much more expensive chunks of the project! You can add a plastic version of her to your rewards by increasing your pledge by +$15, or a resin version by increasing your pledge by +$25. A post campaign pledge manager will be sent out, so you can confirm your reward selections.

Spider Silk Armor Options
The reception to the Spider Silk Armor has been huge! All of my email boxes have been stuffed with people requesting the ability to pledge for more of them. Seems to be a huge desire to use their armor kits in conjunction with other game systems or to form infantry blocks in other larger war games. It is a simple request and I told them all I would do what I can!

For +$25 you can add an additional Spider Silk Armor kit to your rewards and for +$50 you can add a 5 Pack of Spider Silk Armor kits that makes 20 miniatures total! The Kits will come with their weapons sprue, which is still a work in progress at this time so I don't have any acceptable art worthy of showing off just yet. If you can imagine it will fit the theme of the armors and the monster!

I just added a simple "text" list to the home page, which gives you a break down of what comes in the game box. At this point I've redesigned the info-graphic with all the images several times, its really hard to get right!

Gameplay video #2
I was hoping to have this ready by this weekend and I will be working like crazy to do the best I can. I will however have to step away from work on the 24th and the 25th to spend time with friends and family that have traveled to see me. So the gameplay video will most likely not be ready until after the 25th. I strongly suggest everyone go take a break and play with your toys! I even hope to get a little time in with The WII U we have setup here at the warehouse!

Gotta Have it All
There seems to be a very large majority of completionists out there that want to pick up all the gameplay content. While I think this is awesome and I am very happy to hear it, I would like to remind everyone that we are already long past the initial projections of this kickstarter campaign. The game box itself offers a tremendous amount of gameplay and hobby content! I am super grateful for the excited people that want to help support the project more and more, but you should not feel pressured to "get" everything. I simply cannot predict how many more expansions this kickstarter will fund and thus, I cannot offer a "get all gameplay reward" level at this time. I can say however that I will run out of planned content and I will not "force" new game elements just to keep the campaign ticking up.

Male Pinup - Believe it or not I have been working on this for well over a year, it is quite the challenge! Please don't expect it to be part of this campaign, but perhaps one day!

Ok, enough out of me! Let me bust out that image we worked hard to get!

Oh, just to clarify - No the Leather Queen is not Topless. Her arm is covering her outfit.

**recruittons**

I am so stoked for the Sunstalker. It's going to be so awesome!

**Buzzsaw**

recruittons wrote:
I am so stoked for the Sunstalker. It's going to be so awesome!

Oh, and from the comments;

KingdomDeath wrote:Its not an infant, its a 1,000 year version... i mean... if its even that.... * cough

**DaveC**

Yep Adam pretty much just gave the game away there by saying it's not an infant it's a 1000 year old version.

Extra silk armour sets are tempting will have to wait until the end though

**Fafnir**

The Leather Queen looks kinky as hell. Not too shabby.

As for the new model, looks to be flora based. I'm very interested in this. I've been doing design work for a videogame (the game itself was for a production class, and final project turned out horribly, but I digress) where I designed creatures based on flowers, and I've taken a great interest to creatures that mix floral and animal motifs. I look forward to this one with great interest

**DaveC**

This supposedly (TBC) is the adult sunstalker - some my consider this image NSFW

http://cghub.com/images/view/154932/

**cincydooley**

DaveC wrote:
This supposedly (TBC) is the adult sunstalker - some my consider this image NSFW

http://cghub.com/images/view/154932/

If it is, I hope the creepy penis part goes away.