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Could people considering dropping their BF kindly do so an hour before the deadline?

It would be a shame if those slots were lost.

I'll definitely do it enough in advance that the discount won't be be lost - if I decide to drop it.

The Dragon King expansion and the Dung Beetle Knight certainly have their hooks in deep.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I belive Adam may be waiting to see how the Sedition Wars 3rd party shipping works out before making a decision as he's concerned things may not run to his high standards without him to supervise things. If the SW stuff goes well he may be persuaded otherwise

But at present I'd say it's unlikely (and we won't get a decision before the KS ends), so plan to pay the import tax/VAT and concider it a bonus if it does happen

(and if Adam does get something set up consider it a bonus)

That's a shame, because there are probably a few europeans dithering about supporting, including me.

For smaller orders (the special editions only), the postage seems pretty steep, but for larger orders the biggest concern is the VAT, import taxes and fees, which will probably add up to more than an additional 30% to the cost.

I've got a BF survivor pledge I'm still undecided about yet purely because of the above and the lead time; I may just be better off buying it from a UK retailer in a years time.

I can certainly understand the hesitation around import taxes (i'm going to be hit there too) but a few points to consider

Adam is leaning towards NOT going into traditional distribution, maybe only via select partners (eg CMON) so as his UK partner has gone (Maelstrom) it may well not be available without importing it anyway (he definatly won't be making it available to online retailers that provide deep discounts)

He's said the basic game box now looks like it will have to retail at $120 to make financial sense so there is some discount there, and the expansions have significant discount so even with tax you'll probably end up only paying roughly retail rates

now that may still be too much for you (it is an expensive game no doubt about that) but if you can afford it, and do want the game (eventually) this is still probably the best point to get it

If he wants to have lots of non-US sales in the future, he's going to need to have a UK partner or the like, though. I'm not saying he needs to have it for this KS (although it would've been great), but just because he hasn't committed to having one long-term doesn't mean much imo. To do otherwise would limit a lot of future sales he could otherwise have.

I think part of the issue is finding somebody who doesn't demand the normal huge discounts a distributor gets, and who is understanding about small restocks

(he's certainly mentioned this in regards CMON, so I'm presuming he had a similar setup with Maelstrom)

I guess it's a question of whether any other UK/European outfit is willing to deal on those terms. I hope Adam will find somebody, I really do (if only for selfish reasons about buying the resins without international postage)

Came across an interesting read this morning in The Penny Arcade Report with regards to kickstarting board games: Link to Article

Minion Games has just launched a new Kickstarter campaign for their upcoming board game Hegemonic. That’s not very newsworthy. What is impressive is the fact that this is the company’s sixth Kickstarter campaign, and they’ve finished and shipped a board game for each one.

“I wouldn’t say that we made many actual mistakes because we started using Kickstarter early and much wasn’t known about how to approach it as a board game maker,” James Mathe, the owner of Minion Games, told the Penny Arcade Report. Kickstarter allows the company to release games that are profitable right out of the gate. So I had to ask, what were they doing so right?

It mentions some of the pitfalls of making board games and some of the benefits to kickstarting them.

Very interesting reading

especially as Sedition Wars had a lucky escape from problems with their Chinese Printer and might even have made Xmas deliveries at least for the US if the containers had not at at the docks in China for a couple of weeks

and

Mantic had significant problems with their out of house stuff for Dreadball (stuff not packed ready to ship, QC issues with the figures and printing issues that meant they had to get the card counters printed by a UK firm on very short notice)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I can certainly understand the hesitation around import taxes (i'm going to be hit there too) but a few points to consider

Adam is leaning towards NOT going into traditional distribution, maybe only via select partners (eg CMON) so as his UK partner has gone (Maelstrom) it may well not be available without importing it anyway (he definatly won't be making it available to online retailers that provide deep discounts)

He's said the basic game box now looks like it will have to retail at $120 to make financial sense so there is some discount there, and the expansions have significant discount so even with tax you'll probably end up only paying roughly retail rates

now that may still be too much for you (it is an expensive game no doubt about that) but if you can afford it, and do want the game (eventually) this is still probably the best point to get it

But if I'm going to end up paying roughly retail prices via kickstarter now, with a lead time of a year, wouldn't it make more sense to put the money aside and buy it at retail when it gets here? I know kickstarter is about making projects happen, but lets be fair here, at $900,000 of a $35,000 goal, it's going ahead. At the moment it probably makes more financial sense for me to leave it until launch, because there's very little incentive after importing, which is a shame.

I'd hope he'd have some UK retailer support eventually, or he's missing a fair bit of the market.

Well, we've broken 900k! looking forward to seeing our next update and stuff!

And it's here (the glue literally just finished drying on the model from what Adam posted

New Years Eve! 900k Stretch Goal attained!

Update #40 · Jan. 01, 2013 · 7 comments

We did it everyone!

The Lion God Gameplay expansion can be added to your pledge level for +$25, the final MSRP will be $40 ( or maybe even a little more ) due to the models huge size. The Lion God is both a monster your survivors can hunt and an upgrade for the White Lion monster that comes in the core game box. This expansion has a few new gameplay features including mixing some of the AI cards from both monsters to create unique challenges and a revenge mechanic, wherein if you kill too many of the God's younger kin ( making all those lion armor sets no doubt ) there is a chance the Lion God may roll up to your settlement to take you out!

Since most encounters with this legendary entity are so "high level" I felt it was important to add a bit more campaign depth and extend the life of the good ole White Lion. That way its not just pure boss content that only enduring campaigns get to mess around with.

The Lion God was sculpted by Allan Carrasco and I worked on the concept Illustration with Danny Cruz. It was really a 3 part team that brought the final creature together to life.

I'll be adding some more glamor shots, after I finish my next most important mission. GAMEPLAY VIDEO #2. My drop dead finish date for it is jan 3rd.

950k unlocks our next stretch goal & 1 Mill will unlock the FINAL gameplay expansion!

The long... thing coming out of it's face doesn't connect on the far side, right?

And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.

I must've been confused by the concept art- I thought the "trunk" for lack of a better word, was coming out of the lion's ear, and that it's face was facing upward as if roaring. But from what I can tell here, the "trunk" is coming out of the center of it's face, and it's looking directly at the camera, right?

So yeah... that model's kind of a miss for me. I'm sure the King will blow it out of the water, though.

6 days for 1 million. It might be close, but hopefully it gets there.


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 RiTides wrote:
The long... thing coming out of it's face doesn't connect on the far side, right?

Nope. At least, it didn't in the concept art.

And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.

If you checked the BoLS preview, the phoenix had a bunch of hands doing a Goatse with its rear end. This whole perversity has been part of KD from the beginning, and I'm glad it's being carried on further, since it's been skipped by a large part of the kickstarter.

I must've been confused by the concept art- I thought the "trunk" for lack of a better word, was coming out of the lion's ear, and that it's face was facing upward as if roaring. But from what I can tell here, the "trunk" is coming out of the center of it's face, and it's looking directly at the camera, right?

That trunk is the lion's actual face. And it wasn't an ear, it was a vulva.

It's an interesting, and certainly unique model, but I'm not sure if it'll fit in my budget.

6 days to add $100K?

No problem!

 Fafnir wrote:

And he's got hands coming out of his rear, holding a long penile tail... honestly, at this point his models are becoming a bit of a parody of themselves.

If you checked the BoLS preview, the phoenix had a bunch of hands doing a Goatse with its rear end. This whole perversity has been part of KD from the beginning, and I'm glad it's being carried on further, since it's been skipped by a large part of the kickstarter.

Exactly, I agree completely that it's being carried on further, but was skipped by a large part of the KS. Which is why it appeals to me less and less- as "perversity" and my gaming table don't go together all that well.

It's another reason why I may go after some of the sculpts I absolutely LOVE (twilight knight, flower knight, white lion armor kits) at a later date, rather than being a part of this now. If the Phoenix has hands coming out of its' rear, too... well it's just not what I'm looking for in a model I guess

I had the impression he'd be shying away from the perversity (leaving the furthest "out there" sculpts out of the campaign), but I guess we've gotten far enough along that he's gone back to it a bit. I can't personally see this most recent being a model with a ton of mass appeal, and maybe that's not his goal, but it certainly is on the road to that with this campaign going to make WELL over a million. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out when folks have a chance to see up close the models they're planning to put on their gaming tables

I'd also like to clarify that I don't see anything Wrong at all with this model, it's just weird / creepy / odd, and not for me, and I'm betting in the long run won't be for a lot of others, either (of course in the frenzy of this campaign many will re-up for it, though, as "gotta catch 'em all" sets in ).

It's a pretty big creature too, 12 cm tall with it's rock,

but it's got to 8-9 without, so hopefully the base is a separate part

Will it be possible to increase your pledge after the kickstarter? (like CMoN KS)

He's posted that he's not sure if it will be (I cannot imagine that it won't be, every large campaign I've seen has had to allow it in some measure).

Creator Kingdom Death about 3 hours ago
Yes, that is correct. I cannot allow rewards to be traded in or swapped, and I will not be offering a way for people to add additional funds after the campaign ends. The logistics of managing either of these is a pure nightmare and both are not really in the "spirit" of kickstarter, which is neither an e-commerce solution or a group on.

That's a definitive no to after KS additional funds pledge for what you want now as there will be no option to add later

@devilution,

I apologize for the inconvenience but we will not be allowing people to increase their pledge total after the kickstarter ends. It is a logistical nightmare and kickstarter is not an e-commerce platform, increasing a pledge after the campaign, while convenient is not in the spirit of kickstarter.

Aw ok

has someone quantified where what all the free stuff goes to? with this many unlocks stuff is getting confusing

RTides--- just want to let you know you aren't alone with this or the other strangely perverse models: I don't know how many I'll be getting either. I really like this mini aside from the cock-tail and the weird ass trunk face.

I'd love to hear some more info I regards to the background for why they look like that. Maybe with some functional perspective I could change my tune. Until then ill be sticking to the more "normal" monsters and the incredibly curvaceous, barely clothes women ;-)

Kingdom Death is a very personal vision of nightmare horror, I fully understand that many of the creature designs & content may be deeply disturbing for people, but in many cases that was part of the creative process.

I will also add that details and nightmare elements are not added simply for effect, every part of a creature and the world often has a very specific function in respect to itself, it's environment and the world around it.

Think of it like a nightmare "animal planet". And as a player you take a human perspective, struggling to both understand and survive the world around you.

Bear in mind Adam I'm not offended by any of it and I very much appreciate the artistry of it. I just need to better understand the purpose of some of the phallic appendages in order to place it.

They certainly are unnerving though, which I think is what you're driving for.

Like, the wet nurse doesn't bother me because I "get" the function of the phallic appendages and multiple breasts. This one I'm just not there yet. But then again, I don't know that I've ever had any nightmares concerning sexuality, which is obviously something this world is intended to evoke.

I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!

greywulf wrote:
I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!

Lol . Yeah, I'd love to hear the justification for that for one

 RiTides wrote:

greywulf wrote:
I love the models that Adam's put together, and even if I don't like a certain part, likes hands coming out of the phoenix's butt, it's nothing a knife can't handle. Not that I plan to cut mine up!

Lol . Yeah, I'd love to hear the justification for that for one

Analysing Poots would blow Freud's mind.

Adam any word on how EU and others will get shipped to as some other people have raised issues about paying a butload of tax while others use a distributor settled in the UK or any other relevant part?

@Raven, I think I answered you on the comment section of the kickstarter but this is worth repeating :

RavenX2000, at this time there is still no official word on how everything will be delivered. There is a lot of business development that can take place between the end of this kickstarter and late next year when rewards begin to ship. I have not yet secured a partner I fully trust to handle EU fulfillment for me so for now I plan on shipping packages from the states via USPS Priority international. I will do the best I can as far as declaring value and I am need to consult with a few export specialists before I can fully weigh in and give official word on how it will be handled.

For now, please expect international orders to be shipped from the states via USPS priority international and have a declared value of your pledge total. ( from what i understand this is exactly how reaper handled it ) Which will be significantly lower then the cost of the goods at MSRP price.