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Hi all

So I had a good idea for an Empire army, combining Gelt with a core of shooting and a nice beat em up unit in the middle to finish anything that can make its way through the storm of firepower.

This intended for use in Throne of skulls so any critique will be appreciated.

Lords
Balthasar Gelt-360pts
Arch lector w crown of command & heavy armour-139pts

Heroes
BSB w razor standard, full plate & shield- 128pts
Engineer-65pts
Engineer-65pts

Core
46 halberdiers w shields & full command-352pts

20 Handgunners w marksman, standard & HLR- 220pts

Special
Cannon-120pts
Cannon-120pts
Mortar-100pts

11 Huntsmen-90pts

Rare
Helblaster-120pts
Helblaster-120pts

Alternatively instead of Gelt I could run a lvl 4 heavens wizard. I like the idea of having Gelt though as it adds an extra dimension to the play and I hardly see anybody use him despite his epic casting powers.

Deathbysoup wrote:
Hi all

So I had a good idea for an Empire army, combining Gelt with a core of shooting and a nice beat em up unit in the middle to finish anything that can make its way through the storm of firepower.

This intended for use in Throne of skulls so any critique will be appreciated.

Lords
Balthasar Gelt-360pts
Arch lector w crown of command & heavy armour-139pts

Heroes
BSB w razor standard, full plate & shield- 128pts
Engineer-65pts
Engineer-65pts

Core
46 halberdiers w shields & full command-352pts

20 Handgunners w marksman, standard & HLR- 220pts

Special
Cannon-120pts
Cannon-120pts
Mortar-100pts

11 Huntsmen-90pts

Rare
Helblaster-120pts
Helblaster-120pts

I am sorry but this is what you are bringing to Thrones? Gelt and the Arch Lector need to be replaced. They are far overpriced for what they do. Pretty sure shields are illegal on BSB's. Mortars and huntsmen are useless for the points spent. You do not need a banner for gunners...They shouldn't be in combat. I would take the shields off of the halberds because you have to either use those or halberds...Take another block of infantry, wizard(s) for magic defense. Perhaps some demigryph? tarpit/flank charging knights?

 riverhawks32 wrote:
I am sorry but this is what you are bringing to Thrones? Gelt and the Arch Lector need to be replaced. They are far overpriced for what they do. Pretty sure shields are illegal on BSB's. Mortars and huntsmen are useless for the points spent. You do not need a banner for gunners...They shouldn't be in combat. I would take the shields off of the halberds because you have to either use those or halberds...Take another block of infantry, wizard(s) for magic defense. Perhaps some demigryph? tarpit/flank charging knights?

Arch lectors are among the best generic lords there are. They are effective in combat and have bound spells. BSB's can now take equipment that their profile allows. Mortar's aren't useless. They just got nerfed. Huntsmen also have a purpose. Killing war machines. Gunners just need a musician. And the shields at this point are to protect against shooting as in combat they will have to use the halberds. DGK's in this list would work quite well. You can even afford to drop the halberds. and fill your core with shooting. To maximise your shooting's effectiveness, take shadow magic. Withering will allow you to wound easier, and miasma will slow the big units down allowing you to fire at them more.

My advice on characters is to only take a priest/lector if you have a big block of halberds/greatswords WITH the appropriate support. I.E. shadow/light magic, and a hurricanum. Other than that, fill your core with shooting, and take a level 4 shadow mage, a level 1 scroll caddy and a witch hunter. Last time I fought empire, my General nearly got taken out by a barebones witch hunter. Their KB against a certain model is win.

I am sorry but this is what you are bringing to Thrones? Gelt and the Arch Lector need to be replaced. They are far overpriced for what they do. Pretty sure shields are illegal on BSB's. Mortars and huntsmen are useless for the points spent. You do not need a banner for gunners...They shouldn't be in combat. I would take the shields off of the halberds because you have to either use those or halberds...Take another block of infantry, wizard(s) for magic defense. Perhaps some demigryph? tarpit/flank charging knights?

Halberds can still use shields vs shooting, As above said Arch lectors are dirt cheap. BSBs can carry shields. Huntsmen are not useless(war machine hunting/anti-skirmisher screen for my own guns). Handgunners have a banner so I dont lose the game on blood and glory if my halberds get smulched. Mortars are not as useless as you think when combined with spells(great at thinning ranks) but im not 100% sold on it.

Now thats out of the way. I dont want to go pure shooting, and the halberd unit is what I run in my current 2000pts list and it can dish out alot of pain.

I would be willing to drop Gelt but I think I will test him first. I might consider a block of 3 Demigryphs but generally you want the enemy kinda close to take full advantage of the shooting.

I think I would drop Gelt for Shadow or heavens. It would free up 100pts to use elsewhere, more handgunners maybe?

I dont wanna be "that guy" who rocks up with 6 war machines, 2 Steam tanks and 40 handgunners....

I suppose I just have never had ANY luck with those units...Ive been using mortars since I started playing and for 100 points I would rather have 10 more crossbows or an equivalent. Demigryph are flank fillers on your side or set up to charge anything that gets too close. I will vouch for that, they have saved my gunlines many a time. Shadows would work well as the Avenger said.