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they have the same stats as a Sallie assault squad
but with hvy flamer flamer flame pistols and inferno pistols
for cc they have power swords free or thunder hammers for 25 pts
120

Just because I don't ask for it dose not meen I don't want feed back


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Yes for start again no for try and pull it together

Can I vote yes and no? Yes to start again after doing research, and no for pull it together better, logically, and with proper spelling, grammar, and layout.

Remember, the Salamanders are a codex adherent chapter with some variations. They have 7 companies instead of 10, and their chapter master is also their 1st company captain, but other than that, they use the same vehicles, equipment, patterns, tactics, and structure as every other codex adherent chapter.

They prefer heat based weaponry and close range battles in confined spaces, but that does not mean they only fight in those environments. I stress again, they are codex adherent, meaning they are adaptable and capable in every situation. Shoehorning them into being close combat, slow and using only heat based weaponry actually kills their uniqueness and likability. Do not create a million rules, characters and wargear that are drake this, dragon that, flame this, magma that which try and reflect your perceived view on how the Salamanders should be. What the Salamanders need is a one or two special characters that do something flavourful, unique, not over the top, and yet still captures the essence of the chapter. Something like 'Every sergeant may purchase a thunderhammer instead of a powerfist for the same cost' or 'Every sergeant and veteran may master craft any of their weapons for +5pts per weapon upgraded'.

Otherwise, the Salamanders can be represented effectively through proper unit selection using C:SM, or perhaps C:BA for the flamer/melta weapons they have. Alternatively, to do a Firedrakes army, use CA for an all terminator army. Honestly, the options are right there in front of you, and the few unique rules/units/wargear that would be nice have been almost perfectly developed at Bolter and Chainsword.

What makes the Sallies stand out is not a plethora of terribly written rules and over the top characters like in a few other Marine dexes, but rather the unique playstyle YOU as the player can build and model and paint to reflect all that. Use a little more flame and melta than a standard army, bring more dreadnoughts, don't use speeders or bikes, so on.

Honestly, the Sallies never needed a full blown codex, or even half a codex. At best, a few special characters and maybe a unique vehicle pattern, and bam.

So no, I don't think you need to even embark on this journey. If you insist, please, please, please go read ALL the material on B&C regarding Sallies. Then go read ALL the marine codexes several times over and understand what they can all do. Then go read a few of the best fandexes for various marine chapters and understand proper balance. Then come back here and post balanced, well thought out and laid out rules that are neither game breaking or fluff breaking. Salamanders don't ride on drakes, or exclusively use flamer/melta weapons.

Sorry if I sound rude, but honestly, until you really understand how to create balanced rules for a VERY popular chapter, you'll run into a lot of people giving you a lot of feedback, and not necessarily the good kind.

 Blacksails wrote:
Can I vote yes and no? Yes to start again after doing research, and no for pull it together better, logically, and with proper spelling, grammar, and layout.

Remember, the Salamanders are a codex adherent chapter with some variations. They have 7 companies instead of 10, and their chapter master is also their 1st company captain, but other than that, they use the same vehicles, equipment, patterns, tactics, and structure as every other codex adherent chapter.

They prefer heat based weaponry and close range battles in confined spaces, but that does not mean they only fight in those environments. I stress again, they are codex adherent, meaning they are adaptable and capable in every situation. Shoehorning them into being close combat, slow and using only heat based weaponry actually kills their uniqueness and likability. Do not create a million rules, characters and wargear that are drake this, dragon that, flame this, magma that which try and reflect your perceived view on how the Salamanders should be. What the Salamanders need is a one or two special characters that do something flavourful, unique, not over the top, and yet still captures the essence of the chapter. Something like 'Every sergeant may purchase a thunderhammer instead of a powerfist for the same cost' or 'Every sergeant and veteran may master craft any of their weapons for +5pts per weapon upgraded'.

Otherwise, the Salamanders can be represented effectively through proper unit selection using C:SM, or perhaps C:BA for the flamer/melta weapons they have. Alternatively, to do a Firedrakes army, use CA for an all terminator army. Honestly, the options are right there in front of you, and the few unique rules/units/wargear that would be nice have been almost perfectly developed at Bolter and Chainsword.

What makes the Sallies stand out is not a plethora of terribly written rules and over the top characters like in a few other Marine dexes, but rather the unique playstyle YOU as the player can build and model and paint to reflect all that. Use a little more flame and melta than a standard army, bring more dreadnoughts, don't use speeders or bikes, so on.

Honestly, the Sallies never needed a full blown codex, or even half a codex. At best, a few special characters and maybe a unique vehicle pattern, and bam.

So no, I don't think you need to even embark on this journey. If you insist, please, please, please go read ALL the material on B&C regarding Sallies. Then go read ALL the marine codexes several times over and understand what they can all do. Then go read a few of the best fandexes for various marine chapters and understand proper balance. Then come back here and post balanced, well thought out and laid out rules that are neither game breaking or fluff breaking. Salamanders don't ride on drakes, or exclusively use flamer/melta weapons.

Sorry if I sound rude, but honestly, until you really understand how to create balanced rules for a VERY popular chapter, you'll run into a lot of people giving you a lot of feedback, and not necessarily the good kind.

Honestly, I love this post. It's so true. Look at the Imperial Fists and things. You can represent most Space Marine chapters by using C:SM because they have a special character or two that changes army wide special rules to fit their chapter. That's all you really need to do here. Make a few Special Characters who alter army special rules. The Sallies don't ride on drakes all the time, and flame weapons aren't their only weapons.

That's kinda why im giving up help here. I'll wait until I see a well formatted, well done, and maybe not fully balanced (that's why you post it here, to fine tune) but at least ATTEMPTS at rough balance. So for now, good luck with what your doing here, and listen to this man! He speaks the truth, and knows much more about what he's doing

I'm going to lose combat tactics
And gain into the fires of battle unto the anvil of war
Atsknf
Combat squads
All wepons can be master crafted 5+pts for
Standerd wepons 10+ for hvy or special wepons

I'm going to lose combat tactics
And gain into the fires of battle unto the anvil of war

Exactly what was pretty much discouraged...

Not really that is what really changes a sallie from a ultramarine apart from the tactics. I am going to price a 5 man sq with basic weapons at 105pts

 Blacksails wrote:
Can I vote yes and no? Yes to start again after doing research, and no for pull it together better, logically, and with proper spelling, grammar, and layout.

Remember, the Salamanders are a codex adherent chapter with some variations. They have 7 companies instead of 10, and their chapter master is also their 1st company captain, but other than that, they use the same vehicles, equipment, patterns, tactics, and structure as every other codex adherent chapter.

They prefer heat based weaponry and close range battles in confined spaces, but that does not mean they only fight in those environments. I stress again, they are codex adherent, meaning they are adaptable and capable in every situation. Shoehorning them into being close combat, slow and using only heat based weaponry actually kills their uniqueness and likability. Do not create a million rules, characters and wargear that are drake this, dragon that, flame this, magma that which try and reflect your perceived view on how the Salamanders should be. What the Salamanders need is a one or two special characters that do something flavourful, unique, not over the top, and yet still captures the essence of the chapter. Something like 'Every sergeant may purchase a thunderhammer instead of a powerfist for the same cost' or 'Every sergeant and veteran may master craft any of their weapons for +5pts per weapon upgraded'.

Otherwise, the Salamanders can be represented effectively through proper unit selection using C:SM, or perhaps C:BA for the flamer/melta weapons they have. Alternatively, to do a Firedrakes army, use CA for an all terminator army. Honestly, the options are right there in front of you, and the few unique rules/units/wargear that would be nice have been almost perfectly developed at Bolter and Chainsword.

What makes the Sallies stand out is not a plethora of terribly written rules and over the top characters like in a few other Marine dexes, but rather the unique playstyle YOU as the player can build and model and paint to reflect all that. Use a little more flame and melta than a standard army, bring more dreadnoughts, don't use speeders or bikes, so on.

Honestly, the Sallies never needed a full blown codex, or even half a codex. At best, a few special characters and maybe a unique vehicle pattern, and bam.

So no, I don't think you need to even embark on this journey. If you insist, please, please, please go read ALL the material on B&C regarding Sallies. Then go read ALL the marine codexes several times over and understand what they can all do. Then go read a few of the best fandexes for various marine chapters and understand proper balance. Then come back here and post balanced, well thought out and laid out rules that are neither game breaking or fluff breaking. Salamanders don't ride on drakes, or exclusively use flamer/melta weapons.

Sorry if I sound rude, but honestly, until you really understand how to create balanced rules for a VERY popular chapter, you'll run into a lot of people giving you a lot of feedback, and not necessarily the good kind.

This, also take into account that writing a codex is not easy by any means. Its not simply writing out the characters and their weapons and throwing a point cost and calling it a day, it'll take a lot of testing, a lot of calculations and math, and a dakkaload of proofreading. There's many hundreds of hours of work to just get a codex to "playable", nonetheless "fan-worthy", and even then you're going to get detractors and hardcore fans who abhor what you've created. Moreso if you choose a very popular faction (hello Salamanders).

washout77 wrote:

Honestly, I love this post. It's so true. Look at the Imperial Fists and things. You can represent most Space Marine chapters by using C:SM because they have a special character or two that changes army wide special rules to fit their chapter. That's all you really need to do here. Make a few Special Characters who alter army special rules. The Sallies don't ride on drakes all the time, and flame weapons aren't their only weapons.

That's kinda why im giving up help here. I'll wait until I see a well formatted, well done, and maybe not fully balanced (that's why you post it here, to fine tune) but at least ATTEMPTS at rough balance. So for now, good luck with what your doing here, and listen to this man! He speaks the truth, and knows much more about what he's doing

Shadowclaimer wrote:
This, also take into account that writing a codex is not easy by any means. Its not simply writing out the characters and their weapons and throwing a point cost and calling it a day, it'll take a lot of testing, a lot of calculations and math, and a dakkaload of proofreading. There's many hundreds of hours of work to just get a codex to "playable", nonetheless "fan-worthy", and even then you're going to get detractors and hardcore fans who abhor what you've created. Moreso if you choose a very popular faction (hello Salamanders).

Thanks for the support for what I posted. It gets frustrating telling so many people in this section what they're doing wrong, only to be ignored by the OP, but praised by others who aren't even writing the rules.

You're both also correct. Before anything further happens here, wargey needs to make every post readable with proper spelling, formatting, punctuation, and grammar. There are very few excuses for someone who's native tongue is English; many users here suffer from dyslexia and still manage to write better than myself more often than not.

Ask some other users on here who write rules/dexes on a regular occasion how much work is put into each one. User JustDave springs to mind with three excellent codexes written with great balance, attention to fluff, and with plenty of options and builds. If you want people to take you seriously, you'll need to put in the effort to show us that you're serious. Remember that we aren't here to write the rules, we're here for the feedback portion.

I stress, do some more research, then come back with everything presented in a legible, logical format. You'll get far more responses and better critique.

Besides, most of what you want to do are only very minor variations that can very nearly be accomplished using one of the codices already in circulation.

I then ask what army wide rules do I use
Stubborn
Or somthing like that by the way I3 is bad

A little help on the rules.

wargey wrote:
I then ask what army wide rules do I use
Stubborn
Or somthing like that by the way I3 is bad

Go with the I3 S5 thing, just make your termies and any weapons that X2 your strength a bit more expensive.
I don't know the fluff much, but a safe bet would be to just add the "master crafted" upgrade for squad leaders:
"Allows to master craft one weapon"

High g bonds
-0.5 I

Master atificers
All sargents veterans and comand sq can have atificer amour

Supiror crafters
All wepons can master craft for + 10

Any oficer can have a infurnus pistol. 15+

wargey wrote:
High g bonds
-0.5 I

Master atificers
All sargents veterans and comand sq can have atificer amour

Supiror crafters
All wepons can master craft for + 10

Any oficer can have a infurnus pistol. 15+

So now you decided to disregard all my advice because you got butthurt? Damn. Master crafting ALL WEAPONS for 10pts is quite... It is too OTT.

Not seeing that some of there wepon smiths are as good as the tech priest of the adaptus macnicus

Points for a tactical sq. 120
If you choose to take a atificer sarge +15 point
10points for a special wepon or bolter or cc wepon
15points for hammers fists or hvy wepons


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wargey wrote:
Not seeing that some of there wepon smiths are as good as the tech priest of the adaptus macnicus

Points for a tactical sq. 120
If you choose to take a atificer sarge +15 point
10points for a special wepon or bolter or cc wepon
15points for hammers fists or hvy wepons


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Listen. Fluff. Doesn't. Matter. Now. Master crafting ALL weapons for 10 points is just too strong game wise. Fluff correct or not, that's just bad. Maybe give commanders free master crafted weapons, but not EVERYONE

Anyway, 120 points for a 5 man tac squad? +15 to give the Sarge a 2+ save?

Im confused about the rest though, is that 10 points for a special weapon marine? Or do I have to pay extra to give my guys bolters or ccw's?

15 points for....hammers fists? You mean I pay 15 points to get Thunder Hammers, Power Fists, or a Heavy Weapons marine?

This is really badly written. Who gets what, how much of each can I have, how much do the options cost per, how much to add extra marines, etc.

That was for master crafting captins have a 2+ save for 20 or 15 points

Hammers and fist and heavy wepons are able to be master crafted 20+
Normal guns and ccw and flamers meltaguns and plasma guns +15
5 man tatical sq 120 points
4X bolters master crafted 60 points
Thunder hammer master crafted + 45
245 point tactical sq
Your sarge can take a drake hide for 30+points
Your sq can have promeathean brandings for 7+ ppm
Drake hide
5++
Promeathean bradings
Fell no pain 4+ against flamers flame pistols hevy flamers inferno cannon flame storm cannons

I still don't get it. How does someone with such an atrocious inability to spell english live in britain?

I remember once being banned for writing fething with an apostrophe on the end in place of a g. That's a characterful mispelling. This is just plain fething laze. You don't have an excuse. You just don't even try.

I don't see why I - or anyone else on this forum should either be helpful or supportive towards your posts.

It's not even the spelling. You just type random words and random characters and we're meant to be able to piece theme together.

Look if you ave a problem with it go cry to ya mummy or just man up and try to read it
I can't spell captin
I'm not beeing lazy mate I just can't spell
Go complain to a mod and ask me to be baned for miss spelling se what they say

wargey wrote:
Look if you ave a problem with it go cry to ya mummy or just man up and try to read it
I can't spell captin
I'm not beeing lazy mate I just can't spell
Go complain to a mod and ask me to be baned for miss spelling se what they say

Get Google chrome, and a dictionary add-on.

Chrome will pick up most of your mistakes for you. That way neither of us will have this problem.

And, It's not "I can't spell" it's "I won't spell." You can speak English, evidently. It is just a case of taking the time to actually check your mistakes to fix them.

I make mistakes in typing all the time. I take a few minutes to read it and check the language before I post, like we're meant to.

Why don't you man up and learn to spell? Why must we make up for your shortcomming?

Just quit complaning I'm useing a phone so I don't reilise my spelling mistakes
Can you stop trying to anoy me I can't spell very well I have a problem called dislecsyia

Ok people let's keep the fighting here to a minimum...

Anyway, do you have access to a computer you could type this on? In the end, a nice typed up word document at least is much better than any of this when it comes to readability and format. Also, may I suggest adding commas between things? You don't seem to use any sort of punctuation, and it makes things hard to read. A lot. ALSO, I suggest spacing lines a bit. Right not it's all pushed together, making it even harder to read.

Thankfully, I work with little children (and myself. I can't spell hahaha, thank Chrome) so I can translate really really bad spelling of things and other terrible grammar/writing mistakes like it was a second fluent language to me

wargey wrote:
Just quit complaning I'm useing a phone so I don't reilise my spelling mistakes
Can you stop trying to anoy me I can't spell very well I have a problem called dislecsyia

So do many people on this website. Dyslexia is not a catch-all excuse. They make the effort... even when many of them are not English. I've seen 5-year-olds with better spelling and punctuation than this- i.e, there is some. Even capital letters would be nice. Most phones do those automatically anyway.

Don't take this as a personal attack. I don't like being this critical. But your spelling is so awful that you are the first person to make it to my ignore list. It screams of a total lack of effort. People post on this forum from all over the world. You're a 12-year-old native speaker. Pull yourself together.

wargey wrote:
Look if you ave a problem with it go cry to ya mummy or just man up and try to read it
I can't spell captin
I'm not beeing lazy mate I just can't spell
Go complain to a mod and ask me to be baned for miss spelling se what they say

See? You CAN do it when you try
Just try hard enough, and it'll work out eventually. My brother has dyslexia, we are non-native speakers and he can understand/read/write/speak properly enough. Also, our language is listed often as one of the hardest out there. The grammatic rules and spelling is much more difficult in Finnish than English, yet he (and a lot of other dyslexic Finns) still writes understandably.

I didn't want to go to such personal things, but I see constant complaining-out-of-laziness as an insult.

No offence, either read through your posts one or two times, or type on a computer and run a spellcheck

My laptop has no internet.
Can we get back to the rules.

wargey wrote:
My laptop has no internet.
Can we get back to the rules.

Yes, if you promise to concentrate on your typing.

Also, try and get internet, because a .txt file is easier to read that just dakka pages.

Internet out.
And I promise.
(There might be mistakes so sorry in advance.)

Thank you for making the effort. You're now back off my ignore list.

wargey wrote:


5 man tatical sq 120 points
4X bolters master crafted 60 points
Thunder hammer master crafted + 45
245 point tactical sq
Your sarge can take a drake hide for 30+points
Your sq can have promeathean brandings for 7+ ppm
Drake hide
5++
Promeathean bradings
Fell no pain 4+ against flamers flame pistols hevy flamers inferno cannon flame storm cannons.

What do you think.

Um, now Promethean Brandings only helps against other marines and Chaos Marines.


How about skorchas and the like?