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 Captain Fantastic wrote:
Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!

Am I edgy and cool now?!

How long will it take before the word means nothing, and history's lessons are forgotten?

Do we really want to associate men like this with things that mean nothing?


But it means something, my friends aren't left to wonder why I associated them with facists when I call them grammar nazis or just nazis as a joke. They understand the meaning behind the words almost to a fault, humans are naturally gifted for that. Irony and sarcasm are important social tools, and I will not be denied words for no good reason, damnit!

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Kamloops, BC

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
 Captain Fantastic wrote:
Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!

Am I edgy and cool now?!

How long will it take before the word means nothing, and history's lessons are forgotten?

Do we really want to associate men like this with things that mean nothing?


But it means something, my friends aren't left to wonder why I associated them with facists when I call them grammar nazis or just nazis as a joke. They understand the meaning behind the words almost to a fault, humans are naturally gifted for that. Irony and sarcasm are important social tools, and I will not be denied words for no good reason, damnit!


This, it only starts to become bad when people misuse the word Nazis to describe others and sincerely believe they're using it correctly.
   
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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

The phrase "political correctness" was born as a coded cover for all who still want to say Paki, spastic or queer, all those who still want to pick on anyone not like them, playground bullies who never grew up. The politically correct society is the civilised society, however much some may squirm at the more inelegant official circumlocutions designed to avoid offence. -Julius Ceasar


Political correctness, generally speaking is a pejorative term for a doctrine or policy of being considerate toward the feelings of others, especially minority groups. It is a term that has come in for a bit of deserved lampooning, when oversensitive people and groups (such as colleges or city councils) have come up with seemingly silly and/or heavy-handed policies, or clumsy terms, that overcompensate and create new problems. But mostly it’s a term used in the culture wars to deride liberalism, by people who would like to go on using rude terms for women and minorities without consequence.

Careful observation and considered judgment can allow the interested observer to determine when a given instance of “political correctness” is being derided because it is silly, or because the person deriding it is defending bigotry.

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Kamloops, BC

 AustonT wrote:
Political correctness is tyranny with a happy face
-Big Bird

Small enough words for you?


You're still just spouting inane dribble, all you've done is listed a bunch of adjectives and your opinion without getting to the root of why you dislike political correctness.


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 Mannahnin wrote:
The phrase "political correctness" was born as a coded cover for all who still want to say Paki, spastic or queer, all those who still want to pick on anyone not like them, playground bullies who never grew up. The politically correct society is the civilised society, however much some may squirm at the more inelegant official circumlocutions designed to avoid offence. -Julius Ceasar


Political correctness, generally speaking is a pejorative term for a doctrine or policy of being considerate toward the feelings of others, especially minority groups. It is a term that has come in for a bit of deserved lampooning, when oversensitive people and groups (such as colleges or city councils) have come up with seemingly silly and/or heavy-handed policies, or clumsy terms, that overcompensate and create new problems. But mostly it’s a term used in the culture wars to deride liberalism, by people who would like to go on using rude terms for women and minorities without consequence.

Careful observation and considered judgment can allow the interested observer to determine when a given instance of “political correctness” is being derided because it is silly, or because the person deriding it is defending bigotry.


Fantastic post, Mannahnin.

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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

The stuff he's posted is perfectly clear, IMO. It's described in more detail in the wiki article I linked to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_correct#Current_usage

Edit: Thanks.

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Fixture of Dakka




Kamloops, BC

 Mannahnin wrote:
The stuff he's posted is perfectly clear, IMO. It's described in more detail in the wiki article I linked to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_correct#Current_usage

Edit: Thanks.


Yeah, I think I get the gist of what he is saying now (after re-reading what AutsonT wrote) basically that political correctness is too controlling over one's speech which is true if taken to an extreme. But then there's the other extreme where one says offensive things without any regard towards

his/her audience which I don't know if he's/she's seriously considered this, this isn't a subject where you can take one side and be completely correct if anything a more middle in the road approach is more appropriate.

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I am absolutely opposed to political correctness. You cannot confront hate speech until you've experienced it. You need to hear every side of the issue instead of just one.
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Careful observation and considered judgment can allow the interested observer to determine when a given instance of “political correctness” is being derided because it is silly, or because the person deriding it is defending bigotry.


The thing is that you should be allowed to defend bigotry when that bigotry is a private matter, or was done in a way that was relatively harmless. I mean, it's one thing to get for telling racist jokes on a street corner for everyone to hear, it's a completely different thing if you're simply walking down said street and are having a private conversation with your friends and tell a racist joke. One is (arguably) in need of some political correctness, the other is not.

I know of cases where it's not even the group that the joke was targeted at got offended and reported the person, it's someone else being offended on their behalf. That's really the one that I dislike. Where someone essentially tattle tales on someone for saying something that "A" they were eavesdropping on in the first place, "B" didn't even have anything to do with that persons group, and "C" the targeted group wouldn't even have found offending to the point of reporting it to a higher authority.

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Kamloops, BC

 AustonT wrote:
I am absolutely opposed to political correctness. You cannot confront hate speech until you've experienced it. You need to hear every side of the issue instead of just one.
Foghorn Leghorn



Isn't that why political correctness was created in the first place?
   
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 Mannahnin wrote:
The phrase "political correctness" was born as a coded cover for all who still want to say Paki, spastic or queer, all those who still want to pick on anyone not like them, playground bullies who never grew up. The politically correct society is the civilised society, however much some may squirm at the more inelegant official circumlocutions designed to avoid offence. -Julius Ceasar


Political correctness, generally speaking is a pejorative term for a doctrine or policy of being considerate toward the feelings of others, especially minority groups. It is a term that has come in for a bit of deserved lampooning, when oversensitive people and groups (such as colleges or city councils) have come up with seemingly silly and/or heavy-handed policies, or clumsy terms, that overcompensate and create new problems. But mostly it’s a term used in the culture wars to deride liberalism, by people who would like to go on using rude terms for women and minorities without consequence.

Careful observation and considered judgment can allow the interested observer to determine when a given instance of “political correctness” is being derided because it is silly, or because the person deriding it is defending bigotry.

Excellent Ragnar.

Being nice is one thing... but, going out of your way so that you don't hurt feelings is often counter-productive.

Me personally... I wear hearing aids in both ears... I'm fething deaf! Not "hard of hearing" or "hearing impared".

K... off the soapbox.


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 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
I am absolutely opposed to political correctness. You cannot confront hate speech until you've experienced it. You need to hear every side of the issue instead of just one.
Foghorn Leghorn



Isn't that why political correctness was created in the first place?

Political correctness was created so you could experience hate speech?
I'm not sure that's what you meant and if it is I dont follow.


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 purplefood wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
As Nigel Powers said, "If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance."

"There are two things I can't stand in this world. People's intolerance of other people's cultures and the Dutch."
Great quote


Always thought it was "There are two things I can't stand in this world. Racism and the Dutch."
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 AustonT wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
I am absolutely opposed to political correctness. You cannot confront hate speech until you've experienced it. You need to hear every side of the issue instead of just one.
Foghorn Leghorn



Isn't that why political correctness was created in the first place?

Political correctness was created so you could experience hate speech?
I'm not sure that's what you meant and if it is I dont follow.



No, I meant that political correctness is a way to confront hate speech and most likely the idea spawned from people who have experienced hate speech.

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 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
I am absolutely opposed to political correctness. You cannot confront hate speech until you've experienced it. You need to hear every side of the issue instead of just one.
Foghorn Leghorn



Isn't that why political correctness was created in the first place?

Political correctness was created so you could experience hate speech?
I'm not sure that's what you meant and if it is I dont follow.



No, I meant that political correctness is a way to confront hate speech and most likely the idea spawned from people who have experienced hate speech.

I see you have missed the point entirely.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
Political correctness, generally speaking is a pejorative term for a doctrine or policy of being considerate toward the feelings of others, especially minority groups. It is a term that has come in for a bit of deserved lampooning, when oversensitive people and groups (such as colleges or city councils) have come up with seemingly silly and/or heavy-handed policies, or clumsy terms, that overcompensate and create new problems. But mostly it’s a term used in the culture wars to deride liberalism, by people who would like to go on using rude terms for women and minorities without consequence.

Careful observation and considered judgment can allow the interested observer to determine when a given instance of “political correctness” is being derided because it is silly, or because the person deriding it is defending bigotry.


Great post.

Key term in there is 'careful observation' - and its exactly what folk like AustonT refuse to consider. It is a complicated issue, and it requires people to use their brain, and their experience to draw a line between genuine consideration for a minority, and foolish, unnecessary, or politically motivated charges of intolerance. Declarations like the one from AustonT that he hates all political correctness is basically refusing to apply any careful observation.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
 
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