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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-06-total-war-dev-announces-multi-game-warhammer-deal

About damn time.

YES! SO MUCH WIN! The "beyond 2013" thing was a bit of a drag but hey, better late than never. I've never been a huge fan of the mods for Medieval 2 Total War as well done as they were. "Good news, everyone!"

Quite a few threads about this already and it may be a reality. Creative assembly make other games as well and they already have 1 TW game in production. Nothing has been confirmed yet.

Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

If its a Total War style game... rather than going over the whole Warhammer world it's likely to focus on a specific sort of region being contested by 2-3 races which are then subdivided into 2-3 sub-factions.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/493066.page

Well yeah. But it's going to be disappointing to a lot of people if that's the case. Giving the license to Creative Assembly sort of made a no-win situation. People will expect a Total War style game, and also after such a long wait for such an obvious game, people will expect it to be huge.

The massive 'OMG WARHAMMER TOTAL WAR' hype generated from just the announcment that Creative Assembly has the license shows the kind of buildup this will have. And the kind of hype the game simply won't measure up to, because it would be practically impossible to.

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

There is a Medieval 2 mod that completely changes it to Lord of the Rings, complete with about 13 races, it can be done.

Could be cool.

Have they made anything other than a total war style game?

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
Could be cool.

Have they made anything other than a total war style game?

Spartan Total Warrior and Viking Battle for Asgard, 3rd person action hack and slash games, and Stormrise, a failed console RTS.

I would rather have a Sonf of Ice and Fire Total War, but yeah, Warhammer could be cool.

 heartserenade wrote:
I would rather have a Sonf of Ice and Fire Total War, but yeah, Warhammer could be cool.

Could be?

WOULD BE!

They could do a better job than Mark of Chaos, for a start.

I do hope my Woodies will have a part in the game, but alas - that does not seem likely!

It'd probably be High Elves, Empire, Chaos, Skaven and O&G. Maybe Dark Elves.

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

You seem to have a pretty limited experience with computer games if you think Total War with different races would in any way be a difficult thing to do. And frankly once you abstract what races can do they are pretty much all the same with cosmetic differences.

I have been waiting for this news for a LONG time....

brettz123 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

You seem to have a pretty limited experience with computer games if you think Total War with different races would in any way be a difficult thing to do. And frankly once you abstract what races can do they are pretty much all the same with cosmetic differences.

I didn't realise ~20 years was limited experience these days.

Some races basically break standard RTS conventions. Lets take any type of Undead. Build more farms to feed population - why are my undead making farms? Or farming things atall? Build Barracks to train troops - Why am I training undead? Build houses to get a bigger population - Why are my undead living in houses?

This is a game from a professional company, not a mod. Something like that, these days, would feel incredibly lazy.

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

They have implimented multiple modes in the game before.

Ogres could be nomadic, like in Barbarian Invasion. You could occupy a city, or just loot it and move on.

Generic resources will be easy enough to fit in.


Lets see, the only races that wouldn't fit the standard resource collecting gig would be Ogres and the Undead.

Ogres as I said could be nomadic based(and they do settle down from time to time)


Tomb Kings and Vampires would still need to collect metals and other natural resources.

Warpstone would be something important in the game. Everyone wants Warpstone.


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 -Loki- wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

You seem to have a pretty limited experience with computer games if you think Total War with different races would in any way be a difficult thing to do. And frankly once you abstract what races can do they are pretty much all the same with cosmetic differences.

I didn't realise ~20 years was limited experience these days.

Some races basically break standard RTS conventions. Lets take any type of Undead. Build more farms to feed population - why are my undead making farms? Or farming things atall? Build Barracks to train troops - Why am I training undead? Build houses to get a bigger population - Why are my undead living in houses?

This is a game from a professional company, not a mod. Something like that, these days, would feel incredibly lazy.

Well the Tomb Kings are slightly crazy, they make their servants haul water and gather food even though they have ceased to need those things.

Vampires do have living subjects, they will rule over living people. Its just their armies that are undead.

Well the Tomb Kings are slightly crazy, they make their servants haul water and gather food even though they have ceased to need those things.

Vampires do have living subjects, they will rule over living people. Its just their armies that are undead.

Not even all of their armies! Ghouls are living alongside several types of necromancers, some VC's still rule over entire cities as counts and leaders.

I want to see that Aliens/ Predator/ Marines ( OOPS ) stuff, first.

Lets see if GW gets a C and D for half of thier stuff after that.

 -Loki- wrote:
Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

The campaign features like farms, governing etc. aren't the major mechanics of a Total War game. The game has always been about the battles.

 Glorioski wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

The campaign features like farms, governing etc. aren't the major mechanics of a Total War game. The game has always been about the battles.

Negative. Territory management has always been the backbone of the game, especially at the higher difficulty levels. Choose to build the wrong buildings, set the wrong tax rate on turn three, and you're screwed. You just don't realise it until turn 25 when your three stacks of experienced spearmen and archers get stomped by fifteen stacks of fully upgraded elite troops.

 -Loki- wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

You seem to have a pretty limited experience with computer games if you think Total War with different races would in any way be a difficult thing to do. And frankly once you abstract what races can do they are pretty much all the same with cosmetic differences.

I didn't realise ~20 years was limited experience these days.

Some races basically break standard RTS conventions. Lets take any type of Undead. Build more farms to feed population - why are my undead making farms? Or farming things atall? Build Barracks to train troops - Why am I training undead? Build houses to get a bigger population - Why are my undead living in houses?

This is a game from a professional company, not a mod. Something like that, these days, would feel incredibly lazy.

Change farms to Obelisks providing you energy to support your army. Change Barracks to evolution chambers where the undead may evolve into better ones. Fixed. Your experience might indeed be limited if you haven't heard of a game like Warcraft 3 where all the issues you present have been addressed. And that was 10 years ago.

 Kaldor wrote:

 Glorioski wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

The campaign features like farms, governing etc. aren't the major mechanics of a Total War game. The game has always been about the battles.

Negative. Territory management has always been the backbone of the game, especially at the higher difficulty levels. Choose to build the wrong buildings, set the wrong tax rate on turn three, and you're screwed. You just don't realise it until turn 25 when your three stacks of experienced spearmen and archers get stomped by fifteen stacks of fully upgraded elite troops.

You're talking about the campaign. It's not a major mechanic, it's just a fleshed out spreadsheet strategy game. You can play total war games without touching the campaign.

The campaign is fun, but fething unrealistic.

 Glorioski wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 Glorioski wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

The campaign features like farms, governing etc. aren't the major mechanics of a Total War game. The game has always been about the battles.

Negative. Territory management has always been the backbone of the game, especially at the higher difficulty levels. Choose to build the wrong buildings, set the wrong tax rate on turn three, and you're screwed. You just don't realise it until turn 25 when your three stacks of experienced spearmen and archers get stomped by fifteen stacks of fully upgraded elite troops.

You're talking about the campaign. It's not a major mechanic, it's just a fleshed out spreadsheet strategy game. You can play total war games without touching the campaign.

And you can play EU3 without touching the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries. Point?

The campaign is a huge aspect of Total War games. It's rare that I play out the battles unless it's important, or unless I'm playing Greece in Rome. No idea why the auto-battle hates those guys.

One word: yeaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!

 Testify wrote:

 Glorioski wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 Glorioski wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

The campaign features like farms, governing etc. aren't the major mechanics of a Total War game. The game has always been about the battles.

Negative. Territory management has always been the backbone of the game, especially at the higher difficulty levels. Choose to build the wrong buildings, set the wrong tax rate on turn three, and you're screwed. You just don't realise it until turn 25 when your three stacks of experienced spearmen and archers get stomped by fifteen stacks of fully upgraded elite troops.

You're talking about the campaign. It's not a major mechanic, it's just a fleshed out spreadsheet strategy game. You can play total war games without touching the campaign.

And you can play EU3 without touching the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries. Point?

The campaign is a huge aspect of Total War games. It's rare that I play out the battles unless it's important, or unless I'm playing Greece in Rome. No idea why the auto-battle hates those guys.

Sure but it's hardly a big game mechanic, that's the point. They could easily alter the campaign so it's not based around building farms etc. and suit it for the Warhammer world. The campaign exists, like you say, to make the battles, the main point of the game, important. This can be done in a number of ways.

 jonolikespie wrote:

There is a Medieval 2 mod that completely changes it to Lord of the Rings, complete with about 13 races, it can be done.

There is already a Warhammer mod with features all Warhammer races so it definately can be done

Warhammer factions will act differently so a one size fits all approach won't work all that well (but it will work). However the early rumours about Rome 2 suggest that each faction will have altered economic, diplomatic and recruitment mechanics in order to better match their historical reality which could easily be followed through into a fantasy game.

 Alkasyn wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Creative Assembly has the license to Warhammer - that doesn't mean it's going to be a Total War style game. Remember, they also made Spartan: Total Warrior, Viking: Battle for Asgard and Stormrise.

Something that concerns me about something like Total War-hammer is there's a lot of variation between the races. With the Total War games they're all obviously human. A few small changes to character models, a few different units here and there, some stat tweaks, and that's all thats needed.

But every race in Warhammer is different. Tomb Kings aren't going to be raising farms or even governing towns. Vampire Counts aren't going to be 'recruiting' warriors in the normal sense. Ogres wouldn't even have farms, as they raid human settlements for people to eat. Every race will have to have entirely different gameplay mechanics. That's going to be hard to fit in one game. Which probably means either not a Total War game, or a very limited game not including many races.

You seem to have a pretty limited experience with computer games if you think Total War with different races would in any way be a difficult thing to do. And frankly once you abstract what races can do they are pretty much all the same with cosmetic differences.

I didn't realise ~20 years was limited experience these days.

Some races basically break standard RTS conventions. Lets take any type of Undead. Build more farms to feed population - why are my undead making farms? Or farming things atall? Build Barracks to train troops - Why am I training undead? Build houses to get a bigger population - Why are my undead living in houses?

This is a game from a professional company, not a mod. Something like that, these days, would feel incredibly lazy.

Change farms to Obelisks providing you energy to support your army. Change Barracks to evolution chambers where the undead may evolve into better ones. Fixed. Your experience might indeed be limited if you haven't heard of a game like Warcraft 3 where all the issues you present have been addressed. And that was 10 years ago.

Yes, exactly. It isn't that hard with a couple seconds of thought to realize that you can do other things that while not the same serve the same purpose. And obviously the game developers are going to take a lot more time and have a lot more people take a look at these things. Just takes a bit of imagination.


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 -Loki- wrote:

I didn't realise ~20 years was limited experience these days.

Some races basically break standard RTS conventions. Lets take any type of Undead. Build more farms to feed population - why are my undead making farms? Or farming things atall? Build Barracks to train troops - Why am I training undead? Build houses to get a bigger population - Why are my undead living in houses?

This is a game from a professional company, not a mod. Something like that, these days, would feel incredibly lazy.

Certainly is from a professional company that is the point. And no race really breaks anything. As stated before you can come up with some pretty convincing reasons to have buildings for the undead. Do they need extra graveyards or mausoleums for vampires. Do you need to build a blood keep for blood dragons? Easy enough and you can have it make sense and fit into the Warhammer theme fairly easily.

And last time I checked Total War isn't a standard RTS anyway it is a hybrid of turn based strategy with RTS. The battles can be fought in real time but the strategic map is interacted with in turns. So it would be very easy to make a Warhammer game with this style. Go ahead and give any of the Heroes of Might and Magic games to see how it has been done before. Nothing new needed.

 Glorioski wrote:

Sure but it's hardly a big game mechanic, that's the point. They could easily alter the campaign so it's not based around building farms etc. and suit it for the Warhammer world. The campaign exists, like you say, to make the battles, the main point of the game, important. This can be done in a number of ways.

I've played many campaigns where I hardly ever go onto the battle map, as have many people. To a significant amount of fans, the campaign map is indeed a huge part of the game.

This is gonna be awesome. Cant wait.