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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote: Space Marines don't get too many models They just get too many Codices but that's neither here nor there. People often deride Guard armies inspired by real life armies as "Wehrmacht Fallschirmjager in Space!" or "Red Army in Space!". But it isn't the army itself that is in space it's their idea that's been transcribed. The Wehrmacht was seen as highly mechanized army (which they weren't) so they were made into 40k's posterboy mech army. Same thing for the Valhallans, but they really aren't like the Red Army. They are what we picture the Red Army to be. Essentially, when you are buying an army you are buying an idea along with the minis. Most people wouldn't stick Steel Legionnaires into Valks, after all.

I would!

But, then again, I wouldn't run them as actual Steel Legionnaires. The models are just really cool looking.

Paint up their jackets in spinter A camo and you got yourself some 40k Fallschirmjager there. Heck, use those dropped weapon pods Elysians to really sell it.

Depends on how you define Steel Legionaire, EPIC Armageddon takes the view that Armageddon regiments are known as Steel Legion regiments no matter the composition - even having a note about note overstating the Steel Legions use of mechanised infantry.

Given the nature of Armageddon itself I find it hard to believe the PDF doesn't have a few dozen or even hundred airborne regiments for use in the many many mountain ranges, its far from inconceivable such regiments would use the same kit as other Armageddon infantry.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Galdos wrote:

Elysia - French elite paratroopers.

wait what?

Their uniforms and rifles resemble their modern uniform ( their gun is same like FAMAS, the French paratroopers main weapon ).
And battle at refinery 23 - 30 on Taros is based on actual battle where they have fought - Dien Bien Phu ( where they lost but they were widely known for it ).


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SerQuintus wrote:

Actually Armageddon Steel Legion, tho known for driving around in APCs ala Panzergrenadiers are visually based off WW2 German Paratroopers.

Not correct. Their uniforms are more similar to Panzergrenadiers than Fallschirmjäger, in addition to this Aramgeddon Steel Legion is known as Armor Companies supported by infantry - not paratrooper attacks ( that mainly goes into favor of Panzergrenadiers ).

They look nothing alike. Also the Elysians were based off of US and British airborne forces(one of the most famous Elysian regiments is the 101st, which ironically is no longer airbourne but still retains the name for historical purposes; also the Taros failure was based on Operation Market Garden.

Just because the Accatran lasgun looks similar to the FAMAS doesn't meen everything is based on the French.

So even the Elysisans are mix of British, US and French paratroopers.
Looks reasonable, thank you.

Thanks very much for all the info guys!

Now who can work out who the Tanith regiment is based on?

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

Vostroya - Cossack and 18'th century Imperial Russia.

Vostroyans - 17th Cossacks and Russian Streltsy. Likely comes from "With Fire and Sword" novel.
Catachans - Rambo and so many South American guerellas. they value personal combat skills but not very disciplined. there was a tale that a group of catachans trick a commanding Commissar to his death--swollen whole by a carnivorous giant flower.
Mordian--Prussian Landwehr of Napoleonic wars, and some other Prussian regiments in Franco Prussian war.
2nd Edition Cadian-G.I. Joe (if you look really closely, some Cadian model 'wears' a modified M1 helmet)
Tallarn - Generic Arabian-Islamic militia.


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SerQuintus wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


d'Oh! I forgot about the Franco-Prussian war, note the Prussian officer on the horse:

And another footslogging Line Infantryman. probably he comes from the different regiment. or possibly he might be a Landwehr.

In terms of design:

Cadians are a mix of WWI/II era battle dress fatigues with modern kevlar variations.
Catachans are Rambo and Nam Green Berets.
Elysians are Starship Troopers.
Death Korps are WWI French wearing Stahlhelms.
Armageddon are WWII Fallschirmjäger wearing WWI British trench coats.

I'd say Guard regiments are based on the ideas behind various armies throughout history, which can range from modern to ancient. And on top of that it may not neccesarily be the accurate ideas/portrayals of those forces, but actually what is believed (erroneously, exaggerated, whatever) to be the case. There's such an incredible scope for the IG that any attempt at trying to generalize is doomed to failure, which when you think about it is probably intentional. People are supposed to be able to come up with nearly whatever they want for an IG regiment.

just because the elysian lasgun is a bullpup doesnt automaticallly make it a FAMAS, granted it does have a similar rear sight mounted on the handgrip., theres plenty of bullpup out there, so dont automatically assume its a FAMAS, and also remember the poor old SA80.

 sierra 1247 wrote:
just because the elysian lasgun is a bullpup doesnt automaticallly make it a FAMAS, granted it does have a similar rear sight mounted on the handgrip., theres plenty of bullpup out there, so dont automatically assume its a FAMAS, and also remember the poor old SA80.

It kind of looks like the Nerf Longshot if anything.

 Desert_thunder_heart wrote:
Now who can work out who the Tanith regiment is based on?

An amalgamation of Welsh, Irish, Scottish and Celtic culture.

 Desert_thunder_heart wrote:
Thanks very much for all the info guys!

Now who can work out who the Tanith regiment is based on?

Tanith are Celts, blue tattoos, Mk names=Mc/Mac, homeland shrouded in fog and mist, bagpipes...




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Now here's a real test for trivia fans...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-30661_Retro%20Review%20-%20Imperial%20Guard%203rd%20Edition.html

Only ones I can state with a slight modicum of certainty (yes, that means that I am guessing), and discounting the 'standard' regiments from the list;

1st image:
Top row, 1st left: Patria regiment - South American 'Indians'
Top row, 2nd left: Utica IV Desert Foxes - Mamluk/Bedouin/Arabian
Second row, 2 left: Tekarn Iron Fist regiment - c15-c18 Japanese samurai
Second row, 4th from right: c14 European footman
Third row, 2nd from right: I'd guess Australian soldiers c19/c20
Fourth row, 3rd from right: late-c19/early-c20 Prussians
Fourth row, 1st right: Reminds me of Ottoman Janissary's
Fifth row: 2nd from right: Roman Legions

Second image:
First plate, third row, left: Ghurka's of the British & Indian armies
Third row, middle: perhaps Swiss infantry?
Third row, right: Roman Gladiators
Fourth row, left: c17/c18 Napoleonic infantry officers I suppose

Second plate, first row, right: Cromwell's Ironsides (planet Krum & called Ironsides - easy I think)
Third row, first left: European knights c13/c14
Fourth row, right: More Gladiators (both Gladiator ones are are from the same planet, Remus).

Best I can do.

 sierra 1247 wrote:
just because the elysian lasgun is a bullpup doesnt automaticallly make it a FAMAS, granted it does have a similar rear sight mounted on the handgrip., theres plenty of bullpup out there, so dont automatically assume its a FAMAS, and also remember the poor old SA80.

Nobody remembers the SA80 or the L85 because they were pieces of crap.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Obviously, the US Marine Corps' dress uniform is the most famous because it's so awesome, .

Hahhahah!

No.

It's the most famous because so much culture about the world has just been AMERICANISED. That is the sad truth. The fat Santa is just an example. All the movies coming out, so many of them based in - AMERICA. Why? Hollywood. Due to popular, stupid thought, all movies must originate from Hollywood.

Not intending to start a flame war, not intending to offend. If you take it that way, The Australian Army in their awesome dress uniform will kick you up the butt.

But yes, Mordians borrow a lot from the Marines. But why the hell aren't there any British ones, except for Praetoria? And Praetoria doesn't even remind me much of Britain, anyway. I want the Guard of the Round Table, not silly boys.

And of course, Catachan, as well as Orks, are Australians, cause dey so badass, man.

Praetoria doesn't remind you of Britain?
What have you been watching to think the Round Table is more British than that unform?


Round Table indeed...

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
Only ones I can state with a slight modicum of certainty (yes, that means that I am guessing), and discounting the 'standard' regiments from the list;

Second image:
First plate,
Fourth row, left: c17/c18 Napoleonic infantry officers I suppose
.

He came from "Amerigo Secundus", he dressed alot like 17th/18th century dude. but he seems to resemble American minutemen rather than any Europeans from Baroque era.

meow.

Legion of Flame wrote:
But yes, Mordians borrow a lot from the Marines.

They don't I'm afraid. Franco-Prussian war - no American Marines in that. Too many incosistancies for it to be based off of the US Marine Corp uniform. The hats, style of uniform and colour scheme ape those of the French & Prussian armies of the Franco-Prussian war too closely to be anywhere near the Marine Corps dress uniform. A couple of similarities does not compare to direct imitations*. Besides the Mordian means of waging warfare once again directly apes the Imperial armies of the latter half of the c19.

As for how well-known the US Marine Corp uniforms are, if a picture hadn't been posted earlier in the thread I wouldn't know off the top of my head. They're not that famous outside America.

*Let's add them up. US Marine Corp dress uniform similarity to standard Mordian Iron Guard uniform colours;
Blue tunic
Blue trousers
Red seam
Red piping

French & Prussian uniforms of 1870 similarities to standard Mordian Iron Guard uniform colours;
Blue tunic
Blue trousers
Red seam
Red piping
Red cuffs/turnbacks
Red & blue collar
Yellow French infantry epaulettes (light infantry ones I believe)
Prussian cap in French blue whilst retaining the red band.
Black webbing

9 vs 4.

Worth noting, also that the US Marine Corp tunic is far too dark, more like early c19 Prussian blue than the lighter French blue used for the Mordians.

 Lone Cat wrote:
rather than any Europeans from Baroque era.

I'd disagree as the upper part of his uniform, particularly the wide lapels, stock & shirt were common fashion in Europe, especially in mlitary circles although the lapels were smaller - if you look at the uniforms of officers during the Peninsula Campaign of 1808-1814, the British infantry officers commonly wore jackets with lapels worn in a similarly way to that image, only nowhere near as extravangently as the fashion had been during early c18. Also the tails had been common on infantry jackets from before the 1750s and continued to be common until the 1850s. You're probably right with the America reference though, so perhaps a cross between British & American uniforms from the War of Independance, perhaps with a bit of the Seven Years War thrown in for fun?

 Desert_thunder_heart wrote:
Thanks very much for all the info guys!

Now who can work out who the Tanith regiment is based on?

Scottish (Ancient warriors using wode, the pipes, the naming system) with some bits of regional England (I think Dornish is one of them)

I always assumed the idea to be envoked by the Valhallans is not just that of a specific army, but of a specific scenario: Stalingrad. Yes, their helmets, hats and caps very much resemble those of the red army, and much more than those of wehrmacht. But the context (winter war combined with siege and street fight) directs me to that one famous battle theater everyone knows. Besides, you could without problems use the same minis for both sides without losing credibility, except the helmets. They are clearly soviet style eggshells and would need greenstuffing to get that characteristic german saliere look.
In the same sense my first association with Death Korps of Krieg is not french or german troops, but ww1 western front trench war. (although I find that greatcoat and crested helmet much more distinctive than every other detail, so definititely more french to me).
The image I connect with Mordians is both: US Marine Corps on parade and european 19.th century french/pruzzian troops in battle. But mostly I think Imperialism. Those Mordians definitely radiate that square-headed stiffness of US Marine on guard duty (chin strap pulled tight... TIGHTER!), but this stiffness is something normally connected with Pruzzia, too. At least in german self-perspective it is something distinguishing Pruzzia and his spiritual successor, the Kaiserreich, from all other former german entities. The fact that they actually FIGHT in that shiny ballet gowns points to french and pruzzian troops who until ww1 were refusing to recognize war had changed since american civil war. And those were the times of wars for european hegemony: crimean war, french/pruzzian war, pruzzian/danish war... Age of Imperialism.
Btw,as far as international media are concerned I do not think that the U.S, Military is doing itself a favour in using the marines in parade uniform as posterboys. Because of the resemblance to european troops of that age, the fact that on every official White House occasion in media you see those guards shiny, sharp and chin up exactly like any good pruzzian or Kaiserreich invader, only feeds to the bad light so many parts of the world like to see american worldwide engagement in.
But this is another topic.

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:
rather than any Europeans from Baroque era.

I'd disagree as the upper part of his uniform, particularly the wide lapels, stock & shirt were common fashion in Europe, especially in mlitary circles although the lapels were smaller - if you look at the uniforms of officers during the Peninsula Campaign of 1808-1814, the British infantry officers commonly wore jackets with lapels worn in a similarly way to that image, only nowhere near as extravangently as the fashion had been during early c18. Also the tails had been common on infantry jackets from before the 1750s and continued to be common until the 1850s. You're probably right with the America reference though, so perhaps a cross between British & American uniforms from the War of Independance, perhaps with a bit of the Seven Years War thrown in for fun?

Interesting enough. GW never released any models that have long tail jackets w/ lapels in any product ranges mew! regardless that either WHFB Empire troops or any IG may be able to wear that outfit meow. anyone wants to do Amerigos Secundus IG needs either a good deal of GS sculpting skills. or outsource the Baroque era metal minis elsewhere.

Legion of Flame wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Obviously, the US Marine Corps' dress uniform is the most famous because it's so awesome, .

Hahhahah!

No.

It's the most famous because so much culture about the world has just been AMERICANISED. That is the sad truth. The fat Santa is just an example. All the movies coming out, so many of them based in - AMERICA. Why? Hollywood. Due to popular, stupid thought, all movies must originate from Hollywood.

Not intending to start a flame war, not intending to offend. If you take it that way, The Australian Army in their awesome dress uniform will kick you up the butt.

But yes, Mordians borrow a lot from the Marines. But why the hell aren't there any British ones, except for Praetoria? And Praetoria doesn't even remind me much of Britain, anyway. I want the Guard of the Round Table, not silly boys.

And of course, Catachan, as well as Orks, are Australians, cause dey so badass, man.

Catachans are US marines, the rank "gunnery sergeant" is a USMC rank; in addition the Dawn of War games portray them as having American accents as well

Orks are cocknye British

Also, the reason why the US marines are famous throughout the world is not only due to their portrayal in Hollywood movies but also due to their actions and successes in the past wars. Also, the USMC aren't the only famous marines, the Royal Marines are very big in Britain as well.

Orks are cocknye British

Indeed. I read somewhere a loooooong time ago they were inspired and modeled after football hooligans. Besides their behaviour and their slang, their chants (ere we go, ere we go, ere we go...) point towards that direction, as well as the organisation in clans that are highly distinguishable by key colours. Then there are the no-nonsense, black clad skinheads (goff). Of course the overall appearance, resembling that of a green gorilla -> portraying them as dumb brutal apes (although real life gorillas are quite peaceful and not at all dumb creatures with a social life by far outstanding that of socially handicapped human subcultures). Also they originally were no fungus infestation, but when their juvenile phase of sensless violence was over they would wander off and mate - another parallel.

Of course that was a bunch of editions ago., to be precise before the days of Gorka Morka. When every ork figurine had this mad grin, life was but an endless third half-term with lotz of dakka and plastic surgery, and of course there were also gangs of bikers with rocker motifs on their cut-offs and inferiority complex because of their height handicap... *sigh, wipe tear* good times... oh yeagh, good times...

 Hruotland wrote:

Orks are cocknye British

Indeed. I read somewhere a loooooong time ago they were inspired and modeled after football hooligans. Besides their behaviour and their slang, their chants (ere we go, ere we go, ere we go...) point towards that direction, as well as the organisation in clans that are highly distinguishable by key colours. Then there are the no-nonsense, black clad skinheads (goff). Of course the overall appearance, resembling that of a green gorilla -> portraying them as dumb brutal apes (although real life gorillas are quite peaceful and not at all dumb creatures with a social life by far outstanding that of socially handicapped human subcultures). Also they originally were no fungus infestation, but when their juvenile phase of sensless violence was over they would wander off and mate - another parallel.

Of course that was a bunch of editions ago., to be precise before the days of Gorka Morka. When every ork figurine had this mad grin, life was but an endless third half-term with lotz of dakka and plastic surgery, and of course there were also gangs of bikers with rocker motifs on their cut-offs and inferiority complex because of their height handicap... *sigh, wipe tear* good times... oh yeagh, good times...

I'd say they are more football hooligan than cockney...

I'm more impartial to think that the Catachan resemble either the 1st Marines at Guadalcanal or therefore during WW2 or Australians during Gallipoli
I'm also leaning towards the French Legion modern day (watch Escape to the Legion with Bear Grylls) for the Elysian.
And of course, Vostroyan is the WW2 Russians

How are Vostroyans WW2 Russians?
Valhallans maybe but not Vostroyans...

Legion of Flame wrote:It's the most famous because so much culture about the world has just been AMERICANISED. That is the sad truth. The fat Santa is just an example. All the movies coming out, so many of them based in - AMERICA. Why? Hollywood. Due to popular, stupid thought, all movies must originate from Hollywood.

Stupid thought?

Movies are based in America because most of them are made in America. Americans also represent the single largest market for movies, so a film company wanting to maximize its profitability will have a movie set in a contemporary time in an American setting. /shrug

Amusingly enough, yes, Fat Santa was an American thing. Made most famous by Coca Cola actually.

Not intending to start a flame war, not intending to offend. If you take it that way, The Australian Army in their awesome dress uniform will kick you up the butt.

I won't be offended. Maybe there is an Australian Army dress uniform I've never seen, but these:

http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Military/defence_gov_au-army-collage.jpg

Eh. I mean, they aren't awful, but better looking than the high collar Marine coat? No. That short waistcoat honest reminds me of a waiter at a fancy restaurant.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing but respect for the Aussies. I got to work with a bunch of them and they were top notch. A friend of mine, her husband is an Australian Army officer. But that uniform isn't really that awesome, lol.

 baxter123 wrote:

And of course, Vostroyan is the WW2 Russians

Incorrect. Valhallens are Soviets
Vostroyans are Cossacks.

And therefore, Valhallans being Soviets, they are WW2 russians

Never said they weren't

Who are the Harakoni Warhawks based off of?



They look a bit like paratroopers, but I am not sure.