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**Tyriion**

Need some help making a bit more competitive - this is the second thread.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
3x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 225pts
Sanguinary Guard 3x Angelus Boltgun,PF, Chapter banner, 2 Swords, 1 Axe, Infernus Pistol, Plasma Pistol = 250 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
5x Death Company, PF,JP = 200
Death Company Dreadnought, Blood Talons = 125

Fast Attack - None.

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - for SG

Total= 2005.

**stokecity_m**

I love the DC but giving them jump packs just costs too much for me.

**Tyriion**

I know. I can't thing of a better way to run them though...

**stokecity_m**

Personally if it were me, i've leave them out and add an extra assault squad, and then upgrade the hq to Mephiston

**Looks Infected**

i imagine your going for Doa.

death company with Jps are way to expensive for a kill, non scouring unit.

i agree with the above by dropping them entirely and replacing them for another assault squad. You have only 2 scouring units in a 2k game and to top that they're assault marines so once they get on a objective or sweep one up from an enemy unit more then likely your going to have a counter unit(s) light you up.

But if you must run death company remove they're JP and stick them in the raven other then that everything else looks alright.

sanguine guard im on the fence cuz they're a great unit and awesome as an army but again i would downgrade them for more troops anything higher then 2k.

Hope this helps or makes your list more competitive.

**Martel732**

Tyriion wrote:
Need some help making a bit more competitive - this is the second thread.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
2x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 150pts
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Death Company, JP's, 2x PF, all with bolters = 370 pts

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon, Heavy Flamers = 140 pts
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon = 115 points

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts

Total=2065

I think the best way to run DC are to cough up for the land raider. The land raider protects them from anti-infantry fire, soaks up a lot of anti tank fire and gives them the same charge range as jump packs. Plus, it can lay down some firepower if moving 6" . Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to shoehorn DC into a list. They are not cheap, and don't score. Not a good combination.

I'm just curious. What role do you see the libby dreadnought fulfilling? They are harder to hide than a regular libby, and the core book powers are very nice, but this thing tempts you to take wings of sanguinius.

Also, I'd avoid flamers on tanks. Getting that close to any infantry is very dangerous I think. Auto/las and dakka Baal all the way.

**Looks Infected**

Tyriion wrote:
Need some help making a bit more competitive - this is the second thread.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
2x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 150pts
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Death Company, JP's, 2x PF, all with bolters = 370 pts

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon, Heavy Flamers = 140 pts
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon = 115 points

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts

Total=2065

I think the best way to run DC are to cough up for the land raider. The land raider protects them from anti-infantry fire, soaks up a lot of anti tank fire and gives them the same charge range as jump packs. Plus, it can lay down some firepower if moving 6" . Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to shoehorn DC into a list. They are not cheap, and don't score. Not a good combination.

I'm just curious. What role do you see the libby dreadnought fulfilling? They are harder to hide than a regular libby, and the core book powers are very nice, but this thing tempts you to take wings of sanguinius.

Also, I'd avoid flamers on tanks. Getting that close to any infantry is very dangerous I think. Auto/las and dakka Baal all the way.

i keep forgetting this is 6th

(Vehicles ALONE might not even a viable option)

for one a land raider costs 250, AV 14, can have a bigger transport and it can DS

now it can be done if we take out the guard and/or baals and/or dread

but storm raven is cheaper and its a flyer so unless you see alot of dragons or IG aa platforms i recommend the storm raven

i wish i could jot down some math hammer right now to see AV 14 LR vs the AV 12 SR

**Tarval**

Oh look, DC,, so where is my DC dread?

Drop the Psych dread and add in a DC dread and this would be a killer list...

Blood talons,, anti MC/troops.. That and your putting something thats going to draw fire power off your flyer...

**Tyriion**

Thanks a lot guys for lots of great replies. Here is a revised list.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
3x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 225pts
Sanguinary Guard 3x Angelus Boltgun,PF, Chapter banner, 2 Swords, 1 Axe, Infernus Pistol, Plasma Pistol = 250 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
5x Death Company, PF,JP = 200
Death Company Dreadnought, Blood Talons = 125

Fast Attack - None.

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - for SG

Total= 2005.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any BA players want to share their SG Loadouts? I'm actually about to build them, and i need some ideas.

**Martel732**

Tyriion wrote:
Thanks a lot guys for lots of great replies. I've took into account want all of you have said, and i've decided to add another SR, or LR instead of the Baal Preds for transportation of a 5 Man DC. Also, i have added a DC Dread, an Assault squad, and another Sanguinary Priest. The list is above, but i will post it here aswell. I really want to make use of a 5 man DC squad, as i will likely be getting one for christmas.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
3x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 225pts
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW Meltagun x2 = 225
5x Death Company, PF,JP = 200
Death Company Dreadnought, Blood Talons = 125

Fast Attack - None.

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - for SG
Storm Raven MM, AC Hurricane Bolters=230 pts - for DC

Total= 2065

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any BA players want to share their SG Loadouts? I'm actually about to build them, and i need some ideas.

I'm really not trying to be a debbie downer here, but this list has a lot of firepower in reserves. I have crushed opponents before their flyers have even showed up, so this needs to be taken into consideration. Especially if the DC and the DC dread are on board the stormravens. That makes the issue worse. This means you would be taking potentially a full 2K list with 3 assault squads and a squad of sanguinary guard at the out set, assuming the libby dread is riding a storm raven.

Personally, I'm beginning to regret not having access to the stormtalon. I think the stormraven kind of a poisonous siren's call to many BA players. I have one, nothing ever rides in it and it is strictly for anti-flyer duties. Nothing fancy, and I never rely on it to actually kill anything on the ground, because it may not show up until turn 4.

If I were going to run this list with two stormravens, I would change the furioso dread to another regular libby and give them both divination. You have a decent shot of getting the divination power that lets you roll 3 dice for reserves. That's the only way I'd run this list as printed, given the amount of times my single stormraven with no passengers has failed to show up at the right time.

**Tyriion**

Martel732 wrote:
Tyriion wrote:
Thanks a lot guys for lots of great replies. I've took into account want all of you have said, and i've decided to add another SR, or LR instead of the Baal Preds for transportation of a 5 Man DC. Also, i have added a DC Dread, an Assault squad, and another Sanguinary Priest. The list is above, but i will post it here aswell. I really want to make use of a 5 man DC squad, as i will likely be getting one for christmas.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts

Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
3x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 225pts
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW Meltagun x2 = 225
5x Death Company, PF,JP = 200
Death Company Dreadnought, Blood Talons = 125

Fast Attack - None.

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - for SG
Storm Raven MM, AC Hurricane Bolters=230 pts - for DC

Total= 2065

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any BA players want to share their SG Loadouts? I'm actually about to build them, and i need some ideas.

I'm really not trying to be a debbie downer here, but this list has a lot of firepower in reserves. I have crushed opponents before their flyers have even showed up, so this needs to be taken into consideration. Especially if the DC and the DC dread are on board the stormravens. That makes the issue worse. This means you would be taking potentially a full 2K list with 3 assault squads and a squad of sanguinary guard at the out set, assuming the libby dread is riding a storm raven.

Personally, I'm beginning to regret not having access to the stormtalon. I think the stormraven kind of a poisonous siren's call to many BA players. I have one, nothing ever rides in it and it is strictly for anti-flyer duties. Nothing fancy, and I never rely on it to actually kill anything on the ground, because it may not show up until turn 4.

If I were going to run this list with two stormravens, I would change the furioso dread to another regular libby and give them both divination. You have a decent shot of getting the divination power that lets you roll 3 dice for reserves. That's the only way I'd run this list as printed, given the amount of times my single stormraven with no passengers has failed to show up at the right time.

I've changed a few things around. I totally agree with you on the reverse thing. What do you think of it now?

**Martel732**

The list with the two stormravens is coming to 2195 for me. So the new list is certainly closer to 2K.

Consider switching the furioso libby to telepathy and putting him in a drop pod. I'd consider switching the regular libby to divination. In general, the core book powers are better than the standard BA powers.

Otherwise, I think you are looking at all the strengths and weakness of a competent jumper list.

**Tyriion**

Martel732 wrote:
The list with the two stormravens is coming to 2195 for me. So the new list is certainly closer to 2K.

Consider switching the furioso libby to telepathy and putting him in a drop pod. I'd consider switching the regular libby to divination. In general, the core book powers are better than the standard BA powers.

Otherwise, I think you are looking at all the strengths and weakness of a competent jumper list.

I'd have to take something out for the points for a DP. Any other ideas. Also, what wargear do you recommend on the SG's?

**Martel732**

In general, I think infernus pistols are better than plasma pistols. I never use death masks. These guys look fine.

**Tyriion**

Martel732 wrote:
In general, I think infernus pistols are better than plasma pistols. I never use death masks. These guys look fine.

Any other thoughts Martel?

**Martel732**

I guess thinking about this more I still think the libby dread looks weird. There is literally nothing else for anti-tank to shoot at on turn 1 and maybe turn 2, other than the sanguinary guard, perhaps. I just feel like it is surrendering 175 points very easily, especially after on turn of movement, and its sides become more accessible.

I think that perhaps 3 attack bikes with multimelta might work better, and they are far more resilient than the dread in many ways, and are far better at anti-tank. Due to the FNP rules, I could argue that every BA list should have attack bikes now.

**Tyriion**

I'll keep it for now and see how it goes, thanks Martel.

**Martel732**

Don't get discouraged, 6th edition has changed the way the BA work more than any other chapter with the possible exception of the black templars.

**g0atsticks**

I personally always run DC with JP and PW. Yeah they are expensive but god they hit so hard. A jump pack squad of DC with some axes=hurt.

**Martel732**

I guess my question is what do you need to hit *that* hard? In general, You don't win by overkill in this game. Also, those are ysome juicy T4 W1 3+ targets. It's actually worth shooting MM, Krak Missiles and LC at them because they are so expensive.

**g0atsticks**

But you can keep out of sight most of the time until its to late for their unit to get out of the way. Crack a rhino open with your LC and wipe them off the board with DC.

Yeah DC is a non scoring unit. I use mine to rid my opponent of their scoring units. Its the one thing DC is really really good at.

And with the new rules to PWs you can handle pretty much anything, even light vehicles. Take Lemartes and get some hits with your concussive maul and wipe them with your axes.

For about 300 points you can almost go uncontested because of this.

**Martel732**

I guess it s heavily dependent upon how much terrain there is on the map.

I feel like if I'm charing a light vehicle with the DC, I'm losing out somehow. It's never been a question of whether the DC can kill stuff, it's the question of whether they are best way to do so.

Note that the DC are not all that great if they are counter charged, as two of their main abilities rely on being charged. Seems like an obvious thing to do is feed them an expendable squad and counter attack with a more potent squad.

**g0atsticks**

Right I'm not saying they should charge light vehicles, only that they can if the need arises.

Using these guys to wipe your opponents death star unit is always nice. Lemartes I6 is huge with a concussive weapon. Making those axes so strong, still though, they are regualr pissed off marines when it boils down to it.

They die just as easily as others do. Like every unit, you have to be careful how you play them.

**Martel732**

Units like DC and assault terminators is often why I don't bring a death star. I distribute the firepower across the army as much as possible. I get ahead of my opponent if their DC or terminator squishes some 5 man unit and then I shoot them off the table the next turn.

My ASM are perfectly fine for beating up other peoples' troops after I've shot the tough stuff.

**Tyriion**

Final Thoughts?
Also, do you guys (looking at martel) think i should paint them as Flesh Tearers or Angels Encarmine?

**g0atsticks**

I believe you have to many elite picks sir.

**Martel732**

I've always had a soft spot for Angels Encarmine.

**Tyriion**

I don't believe that i have too many elites - priests count as one slot.

**Martel732**

3 priests = one elite, so it looks good to me

**Tyriion**

Looking to start buying stuff for this now, any last recommendations?