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Almost stranger than fiction. I ran into this tonight and thought I'd share.
MEXICO CITY — As a U.S. Marine, Jon Hammar endured nightmarish tension patrolling the war-ravaged streets of Iraq’s Fallujah. When he came home, the brutality of war still pinging around his brain, mental peace proved elusive.

Surfing provided the only respite.

“The only time Hammar is not losing his mind is when he’s on the water,” said a fellow Marine veteran, Ian McDonough.

Hammar and McDonough devised a plan: They’d buy a used motor home, load on the surfboards and drive from the Miami area to Costa Rica to find “someplace to be left alone, someplace far off the grid,” McDonough said.

They made it to only the Mexican border. Hammar is in a Matamoros prison, where he spends much of his time chained to a bed and facing death threats from gangsters. He’s off the grid, for sure, in walking distance of the U.S. border. But it’s more of a black hole than a place to heal a troubled soul.

The reason might seem ludicrous. Hammar took a six-decade-old shotgun into Mexico. The .410 bore Sears & Roebuck shotgun once belonged to his great-grandfather. The firearm had been handed down through the generations, and it had become almost a part of Hammar, suitable for shooting birds and rabbits.

But Mexican prosecutors who looked at the disassembled relic in the 1972 Winnebago motor home dismissed the U.S. registration papers Hammar had filled out. They charged him with a serious crime: possession of a weapon restricted for use to Mexico’s armed forces.

Hammar isn’t the only American accused of questionable gun-related charges at Mexico’s border. Last April, a truck driver who was carrying ammunition through Texas got lost near the border, dipped into Mexico to make a U-turn and was forced to spend more than six months in jail.

It’s been months since Hammar’s Aug. 13 arrest, and his former Marine comrades are livid and dumbfounded, impotent to help.

“It’s heartbreaking. This is a guy who I served with in numerous combat situations, and he was one of the best we had,” said veteran Marine Sgt. James Garcia.

Hammar, 27, joined the Marines and deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq before receiving an honorable discharge in 2007, serving another four years in inactive reserve. In Fallujah, one of the most dangerous cities in Iraq, Hammar’s Marine battalion was hit hard, with 13 killed in action and more than 100 wounded, Garcia said.

“There were days where it was like, dude, I may not make it out of here,” Garcia said. “If it wasn’t the IEDs, it was the car bombs or the suicide bombs.”

In Afghanistan, the Marine unit provided security for President Hamid Karzai, protected election polls and disrupted insurgent cells around Kabul.

Hammar did not have an easy re-entry to civilian life. After recurring bouts of depression, he voluntarily checked into The Pathway Home, a residential treatment center for veterans in California’s Napa Valley, in August 2011 for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder. He graduated nine months later.

“A big portion of his PTSD is survivor’s guilt. It’s a loss of innocence,” said Olivia Hammar, his mother, a Miami-Dade County magazine publisher. “You’re still trying to process all your friends who didn’t come home.”

After leaving Pathway, Jon Hammar and Ian McDonough spent $1,400 on the used Winnebago, splashed out another $3,000 to outfit it and mapped a route to Costa Rica, hitting surf breaks in Cocoa Beach, Fla., and in Louisiana and Texas along the way to Mexico. Inside the rolling white beast were up to nine surfboards.

“We begged him not to go, specifically because we were worried about his safety in Mexico, but they were fearless Marines and were undaunted,” Olivia Hammar said in an email.

McDonough, a U.S. citizen who’s lived off and on for three years in Argentina, said he and his friend were wary of dangers as they approached the Los Indios border crossing, which links Brownsville, Texas, with Matamoros, Mexico.

“We had enough gas in the vehicle that we were going to make it to southern Mexico before nightfall,” McDonough said. “We weren’t going to stop.”

The issue of the shotgun came up near the border.

“I told him that we probably shouldn’t take the shotgun with us,” McDonough said. “And he said, ‘No, I’m going to get it cleared with customs at the gate.’ So I said, ‘That’s fine. As long as it’s legit.’ ”

The Customs and Border Protection agent said it was all right to take the shotgun, McDonough said, adding that the agent told them: “ ‘All you have to do is register it.’ So they gave us a piece of paper and said, ‘This is your registration. You’ve got to pay this much.’ They gave us the piece of paper to give to the Mexican authorities.”

As soon as the Winnebago lumbered over the bridge and they handed over the form to Mexican agents, trouble began. The two spent several days in custody, separated from each other. Mexican authorities eventually freed McDonough, perhaps because of his Argentine residency, and he walked back to Brownsville.

On Aug. 18, Mexican prosecutors leveled serious charges against Hammar. Curiously, it wasn’t the type of shotgun that broke Mexican law. It was the length of the barrel, which the formal citation said was shorter than 25 inches, although a discrepancy has emerged over how the barrel was measured.

“It’s a glorified BB gun,” Olivia Hammar said.

Indeed, Mexico’s criminal groups routinely wield AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, high-powered .50-caliber sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and other potent weaponry. If Hammar had any intention of causing mayhem, using his great-grandfather’s proud firearm would have been like Daniel Boone and his muzzle-loading Tick-Licker fighting a modern U.S. Marine.

Back in April, the Dallas truck driver, Jabin Bogan, carrying 25,000 pounds of ammunition in his 18-wheeler, said he got lost in El Paso en route to a delivery in Phoenix. When he lurched to a stop at the Mexican border, asking to turn around, a Customs and Border Protection agent told him it was impossible. He was told to enter Mexico and make a U-turn. He had no passport and couldn’t speak Spanish.

The ammunition was openly displayed on nine pallets in the truck, most of it of a caliber unsuitable for the AK-47 and AR-15 rifles favored by Mexico’s cartels.

Mexican prosecutors charged him with crimes that could have brought more than 25 years in prison.

“My son was not trying to deliver no drugs or no guns to nobody,” Bogan’s mother, Aletha Smith, told an ABC-TV affiliate in Texas.

Through pressure from members of the U.S. Congress, Bogan was freed Nov. 23, and he returned to a tearful reunion in Dallas with his family.

While his ordeal was difficult, Hammar’s has been worse.

Once Hammar was sent to a state prison in Matamoros, mixed in with the general inmate population, late-night phone calls began to his parents in Palmetto Bay, Fla.

“They said, ‘I have your son. We need money.’ I said, ‘I’m going to call the (U.S.) consulate.’ They said, ‘The consulate can’t help you.’ Then they put him on the phone. He said, ‘Mom, you need to pay them,’ ” Olivia Hammar recalled.

Over subsequent calls, the extortionists offered a Western Union account number and demanded an initial payment of $1,800.

Frantic, the Hammars contacted U.S. diplomats, who helped get their son out of a general cellblock into solitary confinement. They didn’t pay the extortion. Nor did they speak to the news media until now.

“He was housed in a wing controlled by the drug cartel,” said Eddie Varon-Levy, a Mexican lawyer hired by the family.

Varon-Levy said that Hammar, if convicted, could receive a sentence of anywhere from three to 12 years in a federal prison.

Making matters worse is the nature of Hammar’s confinement, a matter that’s drawn the attention of Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., the chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Hammars’ local representative.

“His family has described a very disturbing situation that includes their son being chained to a bed in a very small cell and receiving calls from fellow inmates threatening his life if they did not send them money,” Ros-Lehtinen said. “The family also says that the jail where their son is being held is controlled by the dreaded and brutal Zetas drug cartel. The family wants their son back home, and I will do my best to help them."

For all the toughness instilled by the Marine Corps, friends say Hammar is a gentle soul.

“Hammar doesn’t take meds. Hammar doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink. Hammar doesn’t do any of that. He surfs,” McDonough said. “If you meet Hammar, you have to like him. He’s always there for you. If you need something, he’ll literally give you everything.”

So far, Hammar’s parents have gotten little help from U.S. diplomats.

“They take a real hands-off approach. Unless your life is at threat, they aren’t going to do anything,” Olivia Hammar said.

For Garcia and dozens of other Marines who’ve learned of Hammar’s plight, it’s hardly conceivable not to take action.

“He doesn’t deserve this,” Garcia said. “We never leave a brother behind. We never leave a Marine behind. We have to do something.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/06/2593733/latest-hell-for-ex-us-marine-chained.html#storylink=cpy

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I'm looking more into this story and finding out whoto write to about this guy. I f enough people do, it might light a fire under somebody's ass to get this man out of that hellhole
   
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Relapse wrote:
I'm looking more into this story and finding out whoto write to about this guy. I f enough people do, it might light a fire under somebody's ass to get this man out of that hellhole



That's a good idea. If you find out, please share the info.

   
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Why does it matter that he is military?

Would we care less if any other american was held in prison there?
   
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 d-usa wrote:


Would we care less if any other american was held in prison there?

Honestly, I probably would. All I did was copy the headline though.

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I thought the Marines take care of their own. Woulda figured that some retired (or maybe active) Recon types woulda "fallen off the grid" themselves and settled the issue themselves if you catch my meaning...

Yes, wishful thinking.

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So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there.

Even if they're ex-military?
Even if they're nice guys who like to surf?
Even if what they had is legal in the US?

Yes, that is in fact true.

Just like former Mexican soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into the US, former US soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into Mexico.

As for whether the sentence is appropriate or what the #$%^ he's chained to a bed, that's a different issue relating to how Mexico treats prisoners but yeah, they were perfectly right to arrest him.

 
   
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Kyoto did you read a single sentence of the article? He was carrying paperwork and following procedure to carry the weapon across the border. I dont know if youve ever been in a "third world" (northern mexico certainly qualifies) country, crooked and corrupt cops that do this sort of thing in order to extort money, etc. are the norm. Generally speaking, if he has paperwork for it and is attempting to bring a weapon into a country LEGALLY, standard procedure would be to confiscate the weapon and let him off with a warning, maybe detain them temporarily, NOT arrest them and send them to prison.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there.

Even if they're ex-military?
Even if they're nice guys who like to surf?
Even if what they had is legal in the US?

Yes, that is in fact true.

Just like former Mexican soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into the US, former US soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into Mexico.

As for whether the sentence is appropriate or what the #$%^ he's chained to a bed, that's a different issue relating to how Mexico treats prisoners but yeah, they were perfectly right to arrest him.



Did you skip the part where he was being held in a prison being controlled by a drug cartel that was trying to extort money from his parents to release him? Truly, a victory for international justice!


Not to mention the "any weapon he wanted" was an antique shotgun of the smallest bore commercially available, which he tried to register and bring legally, and was told he could. If you aren't familiar with guns - it's the sort you use to shoot rabbits and stuff.

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 d-usa wrote:
Why does it matter that he is military?

Would we care less if any other american was held in prison there?



It's not that we would or should care less if another American was in prison there, but as a nation, it's important that we look out for our veterans. Even though it's gotten a lot better than it used to be, there are significant segments of the veteran population that are cast aside and not taken care of like they should be. The way a nation treats its veterans says a lot about it I think, and we should do as much as we can to help them out.

He put his ass on the line to serve our country. If we can do something to help him out now, shouldn't we?

   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there and when they do they should expect to be arrested and held for ransom.


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 AustonT wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there and when they do they should expect to be arrested and held for ransom.




So what about when they follow the laws of other countries and still get arrested and held for ransom?

   
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 Hordini wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there and when they do they should expect to be arrested and held for ransom.




So what about when they follow the laws of other countries and still get arrested and held for ransom?

kid_kyotobowl wrote:They should have seen it coming.

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I dont know why Americans have to keep putting up with Mexico's bull crap. They get all kinds of hook ups on our side but Americans get boned in Mexico. It's bs.
   
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Yeah man, invade and annex I say, just like we should have at the end of the Mexican-American War!

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 AustonT wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there and when they do they should expect to be arrested and held for ransom.




So what about when they follow the laws of other countries and still get arrested and held for ransom?

kid_kyotobowl wrote:They should have seen it coming.




Maybe they should have, but that doesn't make what happened to them okay, and doesn't do anything to help the situation as it is now.

   
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chaos0xomega wrote:

Kyoto did you read a single sentence of the article? He was carrying paperwork and following procedure to carry the weapon across the border. I dont know if youve ever been in a "third world" (northern mexico certainly qualifies) country, crooked and corrupt cops that do this sort of thing in order to extort money, etc. are the norm.


So? Hammar either gave the Mexican authorities an excuse to arrest him, or there really was a violation regarding the shotgun.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Generally speaking, if he has paperwork for it and is attempting to bring a weapon into a country LEGALLY, standard procedure would be to confiscate the weapon and let him off with a warning, maybe detain them temporarily, NOT arrest them and send them to prison.


There's no such thing as standard procedure when it comes to the laws in varying nations, going to a different country isn't like going to a different state; especially if you're travelling outside the developed world. You can blame it on corruption all you want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation or what the pair should have expected.

Moreover, the pair also planned to pass through Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador, and Nicaragua. All of which have cartel problems as severe as Mexico's.

Tragic as the situation may be, Hammar and McDonough set themselves up for it from the beginning.

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Yes travelling through those countries was a dumb move, but nobody gets arrested at the border (at least not for this long) for attempting to follow the law. There might be more to the story but ive seen this enough times to know there probably isnt and there doesnt need to be.

You realize the guy is basically in prison for no other reason than improperly filed paperwork? Its probably a difference of a couple inches in the measurement... its like... being sent to prison because your drivers license says your eyes are green instead of hazel.

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yellowfever wrote:
I dont know why Americans have to keep putting up with Mexico's bull crap. They get all kinds of hook ups on our side but Americans get boned in Mexico. It's bs.


The people to blame here are the US border guards. They ought to know Mexican gun law properly if they give advice to visitors to Mexico.

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That's the thing, this guy was APPROVED by MEXICAN authority.

Till he got to the border.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
That's the thing, this guy was APPROVED by MEXICAN authority.

Till he got to the border.


No he wasn't. Per the story he filled out registration paperwork given to him by a US customs agent. He was then detained when he presented the paperwork to Mexican authorities at the border.

The only official that may have examined the paperwork prior to reaching the Mexican border was the US customs agent.

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It sucks and I hope it can be arranged to get him out quickly in a reasonable manner, but:

America has major issues with illegal drugs being smuggled across the border. This can often lead to ridiculous (bs) arrests and sentences over petty offenses.

Mexico has major issues with illegal weapons being smuggled across the border. I am not particularly shocked that an incident resulted in a ridiculous (bs) arrest and sentence.

The major difference? American prisons are day spas compare to Mexican prisons.

You wouldn't catch me trying to cross the border in either direction with so much as a cap gun or a bottle of Advil. I don't care how much paperwork I have.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Yes travelling through those countries was a dumb move, but nobody gets arrested at the border (at least not for this long) for attempting to follow the law. There might be more to the story but ive seen this enough times to know there probably isnt and there doesnt need to be.


I don't know Mexican law, but its entirely possible that the way legal violations are handled at the border is left to the discretion of the officials present at the time.

I also suspect that there is more to this story, as regardless of Argentine residency the other veteran was also a US citizen and could just as easily have been found liable for possession of the weapon. If you have the opportunity to acquire two hostages instead of one, why not do it?

chaos0xomega wrote:

You realize the guy is basically in prison for no other reason than improperly filed paperwork? Its probably a difference of a couple inches in the measurement... its like... being sent to prison because your drivers license says your eyes are green instead of hazel.


Yes, and if that's the law of the land then I don't see a problem.

It is not the duty of the United States to grant its citizens exemptions from imprisonment according to the law of the country in question. If you intend to travel to a foreign country, you must obey foreign law. If you don't like the way that law is enforced, then don't travel to that country.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... turns out Americans have to obey the laws of other countries when they're in there.

Even if they're ex-military?
Even if they're nice guys who like to surf?
Even if what they had is legal in the US?

Yes, that is in fact true.

Just like former Mexican soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into the US, former US soldiers can't carry any weapon they want into Mexico.

As for whether the sentence is appropriate or what the #$%^ he's chained to a bed, that's a different issue relating to how Mexico treats prisoners but yeah, they were perfectly right to arrest him.


I really hope you come back in here and recant on this, because you just lost a lot of cool points in my book. Read the story next time please.

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Not to mention we are talking about one of the most corrupt countries in the western hemisphere by all appearances...okay maybe the two most corrupt countries

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The way I understand the scenario is that the US Customs and Border agent told them they needed to fill in a registration form and pay a fee, at the US border, then give the registration to the Mexican border agents. The Mexicans didn't see the weapon until their border.

What I don't see is why the Mexicans didn't just make the guy turn around and go back. He was hardly smuggling the gun if he gave them a registration for it. They had discretion whether to admit him to the country or not.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:


What I don't see is why the Mexicans didn't just make the guy turn around and go back. He was hardly smuggling the gun if he gave them a registration for it. They had discretion whether to admit him to the country or not.


You can't ransom someone who isn't there.

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Do you envision a conspiracy between the US border agents, the Mexican agents and the Mexican prison guards, to lure unsuspecting travellers into prison to be held for ransom?

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Yeah, this really stops being a story about quirky foreign justice when they start trying to extort money from you using death threats. Then it starts being about being kidnapped.
   
 
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