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Or my idea could spin off something else entirely. Afterall, the returning group would *KNOW* that the Emperor is not a god, and that there is no such thing as the omnisiah. If they managed to escape Terra, they would be a natural focus point for disaffected factions within the Imperium.

Kill off Abaddon - Campaign book for the power struggle that ensures... Lil Horus gets a model release (yay)

Kill off Calgar - Campaign of revenge by IOM against responible faction.

Expand on the Orks vs Nids - all that carnage with other factions trying to use each side.

Quite frankly as a Chaos player i would love a villian that wasn't so cartoony. So i would love Abaddon gone if they replaced him with someone worthy.

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If they continue it Ragnar Blackmane will be the greatwolf

Having been a Warhammer fan for years, the cliffhangar is annoying as hell.

I don't want something catastrophic, I just wanna know what the fluff is going on. There's been so much crap that's been hinted or foreshadowed with no defined answer. For all those "oh you're supposed to fill them in" well bullcrap, no one I know has taken that stance or done such a thing on their own, people don't do that. If the story is set and given and we have a slot to play within, we don't want to write in the rest of it on our own, to a point we expect the slot to be expanded on by the game producers.

As I said, I don't want something super catastrophic, but I would like them to finish 1/1000th of the freaking foreshadowing they've done over the years..

Who are the Tyranids and where are they coming from? Why are they found genetically entwined with creatures in our sectors? What did the Necrons have to do with the Imperial Cult and what meddling did they do in the genetics of humans? Is the Outsider the Dragon of Mars for certain? What crazy gak are the Tau actually doing to assimilate races? What happened to the 50 different Space Marine leaders that have vanished and could we at least have a HINT of their stories? What's the fluffing deal with O'Shavah? WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?! What happened to the "renegade" non-chaos marine factions who don't believe in the Emperor? When will the Demiurg ever get a legit mention outside of Gothic?

Its one thing to foreshadow things for players to debate about, its another when you're whole freaking universe is constructed of that only.

 DestructerPeach wrote:
Another instance where this could be done is with the Gothic War, also known as Abbadon's 12th Black Crusade; an enormous plethora of invasions and a massive campaign that resulted in hundreds of planetary invasions, space battles, and the struggle for the control or destruction of the Blackstone Fortresses. This war alone would give players a myriad of gameplay options. Furthermore, from a lore-based perspective, it would revive the importance of the Eldar and bring them back into the loop as key players in the fate of the galaxy (the freaking Talismans of Vaul can obliterate a freaking C'Tan! Let alone a planet!) in addition to bringing the back-story of the Eldar back into importance.

Having an entire - and still available - game based around it wasn't enough? As a 40k expansion, it would be very hard to do, as the most important parts of the Gothic War were naval. Just grab the rules (they're all free), buy a small fleet, and play some linked games of BFG and 40k.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
I would like them to finish 1/1000th of the freaking foreshadowing they've done over the years..

Who are the Tyranids and where are they coming from? Why are they found genetically entwined with creatures in our sectors? What did the Necrons have to do with the Imperial Cult and what meddling did they do in the genetics of humans? Is the Outsider the Dragon of Mars for certain? What crazy gak are the Tau actually doing to assimilate races? What happened to the 50 different Space Marine leaders that have vanished and could we at least have a HINT of their stories? What's the fluffing deal with O'Shavah? WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?! What happened to the "renegade" non-chaos marine factions who don't believe in the Emperor? When will the Demiurg ever get a legit mention outside of Gothic?

Its one thing to foreshadow things for players to debate about, its another when you're whole freaking universe is constructed of that only.

Answering those questions would be a great disappointment for many players. I know I would hate it. I like to have mystery and suspense in my game setting.


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 -Loki- wrote:

 DestructerPeach wrote:
Another instance where this could be done is with the Gothic War, also known as Abbadon's 12th Black Crusade; an enormous plethora of invasions and a massive campaign that resulted in hundreds of planetary invasions, space battles, and the struggle for the control or destruction of the Blackstone Fortresses. This war alone would give players a myriad of gameplay options. Furthermore, from a lore-based perspective, it would revive the importance of the Eldar and bring them back into the loop as key players in the fate of the galaxy (the freaking Talismans of Vaul can obliterate a freaking C'Tan! Let alone a planet!) in addition to bringing the back-story of the Eldar back into importance.

Having an entire - and still available - game based around it wasn't enough? As a 40k expansion, it would be very hard to do, as the most important parts of the Gothic War were naval. Just grab the rules (they're all free), buy a small fleet, and play some linked games of BFG and 40k.

Playing through BFG campaigns is some of the most fun I've ever had.

would like them to finish 1/1000th of the freaking foreshadowing they've done over the years..

Who are the Tyranids and where are they coming from? Why are they found genetically entwined with creatures in our sectors? What did the Necrons have to do with the Imperial Cult and what meddling did they do in the genetics of humans? Is the Outsider the Dragon of Mars for certain? What crazy gak are the Tau actually doing to assimilate races? What happened to the 50 different Space Marine leaders that have vanished and could we at least have a HINT of their stories? What's the fluffing deal with O'Shavah? WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?! What happened to the "renegade" non-chaos marine factions who don't believe in the Emperor? When will the Demiurg ever get a legit mention outside of Gothic?

Its one thing to foreshadow things for players to debate about, its another when you're whole freaking universe is constructed of that only.

Those are all pretty big questions (minus the last 2 which, the renegade one we already know, they are treated the same as Chaos because the marines are traitors)

I want them to just say the stuff we all already pretty much assumed is going to happen actually happened. Everyone knows the Orks lost the 3rd Armagedon war, GW can come out and say in the 42nd M the Orks are finally destroyed on the planet. Something small works. You dont want to ruin the mysteries that some people like Kaldor like

 Kaldor wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
I would like them to finish 1/1000th of the freaking foreshadowing they've done over the years..

Who are the Tyranids and where are they coming from? Why are they found genetically entwined with creatures in our sectors? What did the Necrons have to do with the Imperial Cult and what meddling did they do in the genetics of humans? Is the Outsider the Dragon of Mars for certain? What crazy gak are the Tau actually doing to assimilate races? What happened to the 50 different Space Marine leaders that have vanished and could we at least have a HINT of their stories? What's the fluffing deal with O'Shavah? WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?! What happened to the "renegade" non-chaos marine factions who don't believe in the Emperor? When will the Demiurg ever get a legit mention outside of Gothic?

Its one thing to foreshadow things for players to debate about, its another when you're whole freaking universe is constructed of that only.

Answering those questions would be a great disappointment for many players. I know I would hate it. I like to have mystery and suspense in my game setting.


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 -Loki- wrote:

 DestructerPeach wrote:
Another instance where this could be done is with the Gothic War, also known as Abbadon's 12th Black Crusade; an enormous plethora of invasions and a massive campaign that resulted in hundreds of planetary invasions, space battles, and the struggle for the control or destruction of the Blackstone Fortresses. This war alone would give players a myriad of gameplay options. Furthermore, from a lore-based perspective, it would revive the importance of the Eldar and bring them back into the loop as key players in the fate of the galaxy (the freaking Talismans of Vaul can obliterate a freaking C'Tan! Let alone a planet!) in addition to bringing the back-story of the Eldar back into importance.

Having an entire - and still available - game based around it wasn't enough? As a 40k expansion, it would be very hard to do, as the most important parts of the Gothic War were naval. Just grab the rules (they're all free), buy a small fleet, and play some linked games of BFG and 40k.

Playing through BFG campaigns is some of the most fun I've ever had.

That's not mystery though, that's just invalidation. They state something's up and that's it. It wouldn't ruin the fun to answer a few questions every 5 years and create new ones.

 Galdos wrote:

would like them to finish 1/1000th of the freaking foreshadowing they've done over the years..

Who are the Tyranids and where are they coming from? Why are they found genetically entwined with creatures in our sectors? What did the Necrons have to do with the Imperial Cult and what meddling did they do in the genetics of humans? Is the Outsider the Dragon of Mars for certain? What crazy gak are the Tau actually doing to assimilate races? What happened to the 50 different Space Marine leaders that have vanished and could we at least have a HINT of their stories? What's the fluffing deal with O'Shavah? WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?! What happened to the "renegade" non-chaos marine factions who don't believe in the Emperor? When will the Demiurg ever get a legit mention outside of Gothic?

Its one thing to foreshadow things for players to debate about, its another when you're whole freaking universe is constructed of that only.

Those are all pretty big questions (minus the last 2 which, the renegade one we already know, they are treated the same as Chaos because the marines are traitors)

I want them to just say the stuff we all already pretty much assumed is going to happen actually happened. Everyone knows the Orks lost the 3rd Armagedon war, GW can come out and say in the 42nd M the Orks are finally destroyed on the planet. Something small works. You dont want to ruin the mysteries that some people like Kaldor like

Well I know they're treated like Traitors, I moreso mean they used to talk about "renegade chapters" and now there really aren't any mentions of them.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
That's not mystery though, that's just invalidation. They state something's up and that's it. It wouldn't ruin the fun to answer a few questions every 5 years and create new ones.

I disagree. A large part of the charm of the 40K background is the '5 minutes to midnight' feel, and moving the timeline forward would ruin that.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
That's not mystery though, that's just invalidation. They state something's up and that's it. It wouldn't ruin the fun to answer a few questions every 5 years and create new ones.

As a Tyranid player, I can honestly say, while I wish they'd get a bit more specific about the information they present, I hope they never, ever, at all, expand on the origins of the race. Yes, I want to hear more specifics of how they assimilate genetics or consume a planet. But their mysterious origins is what makes the what they are. All we know is they're some seemingly unstoppable force of nature from another galaxy, which after tearing through a dozen galaxies already, has its sights set on ours.

I don't need to know if they're running from something. I don't need to know if they're some galactic vacuum cleaner. I don't need to know if they're an ant colony some faraway alien spilled chemical waste on. Their mysterious origin adds to the horror of the race. Revealing it will kill that part of the appeal.

Yes, GW need to do something. Moving the setting forward isn't the answer, because people won't get what they want - nothing will change, the Imperium won't enter a golden age, Chaos won't win, the Tyranids won't eat everything. We'll just get new stories, which can be done by expanding on the parts of the setting previously ignored. Leave the current timeline as the freeze frame of the killing blow to the Imperium, and expand some of the bits of fluff fans have been screaming for.

I am in the fleshing out the past camp. You have hundreds upon hundreds of years to have s*** going down, you can really do something with that and if done right won' t contradict current fluff which would really p*** gamers off

 Kaldor wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
That's not mystery though, that's just invalidation. They state something's up and that's it. It wouldn't ruin the fun to answer a few questions every 5 years and create new ones.

I disagree. A large part of the charm of the 40K background is the '5 minutes to midnight' feel, and moving the timeline forward would ruin that.

Yes but as has been repeatedly stated you can keep the "5 minutes to midnight" fell very easily. Its not hard to have things be resolved and create new problems. For instance if they had Cadia fall, they have a plethora of other options to add to the problem. Also then you can add that the Cadians are driven to reclaim theyre lost world. People arent really asking for a definite answer to who survives this and for grand sweeping things to take place like another Great Crusade. We want SOMETHING to happen.

Prism962 wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
That's not mystery though, that's just invalidation. They state something's up and that's it. It wouldn't ruin the fun to answer a few questions every 5 years and create new ones.

I disagree. A large part of the charm of the 40K background is the '5 minutes to midnight' feel, and moving the timeline forward would ruin that.

Yes but as has been repeatedly stated you can keep the "5 minutes to midnight" fell very easily. Its not hard to have things be resolved and create new problems. For instance if they had Cadia fall, they have a plethora of other options to add to the problem. Also then you can add that the Cadians are driven to reclaim theyre lost world. People arent really asking for a definite answer to who survives this and for grand sweeping things to take place like another Great Crusade. We want SOMETHING to happen.

The problem is that they've built this '5 minutes to midnight' feel. If you then take it past midnight you invalidate everything. Because, at midnight, something big has to happen. That's the whole point. 5 minutes to midnight means 'on the cusp of disaster' or 'right on the brink'. The current setting has the Imperium teetering on the edge of a cliff that they've been inexorably drawing closer to over the last ten thousand years. You can't just push them over the edge, only to have them caught on a tree branch. This isn't a story that needs to be resolved and advanced, it's a blank setting within which we can play out our own stories.

Aw, they're done? I was enjoying watching Iracundus introduce his fist to 1hadhq's rectum.

Now it's just back to a boring discussion of whether progressing the timeline is a good thing or not.

I'm kind of torn over it. I don't play the table-top game, just content myself with the modelling and reading the lore, but I can still see how a massive change such as the Emperor dying/resurrected or Chaos breaking through to Terra would have a massive negative impact upon the established players. Indeed, I can also see how the 'cliffhanger draw' stated by other posters is the basis of the appeal of Warhammer 40K - it's what drew me in. However on the other hand, I can sympathise with those who wish for an advancement. It seems GW is building up a whole plethora of tantalizing cliffhangers and mysteries, but is completely forbidding us from viewing even snapshots of what is to come. Personally, I disagree with the premise that it is then the fan's own imagination that is to supply the 'future' as, stated by previous posters, many of us are hoping that GW and BL authors to develop a polished account of what is to come, even if we can dream up solutions to the aforementioned cliffhangers.

Again, I also have to personally disagree upon a FULL shedding of light upon the Great Crusade era. Whilst, certainly, GW should, in my opinion, outline a good chunk of the events of this period, if not only to provide players with a greater scope for battles, in my opinion it is the mystery of this period that makes the 40th Millennium so compelling. If this route is to be taken, why not start with all those eras such as the Age of Apostasy or The Age of Redemption WITHIN the period already presented.

I think essentially what I would like to see is not a huge scale 'Primarchs returning, Emperor turning into God' advancement, but rather small incursions into the 42nd Millennium. I for one want the Salamanders to gain a few more of the lost relics of Vulkan, or find out a little more of what Cypher is up to, and it's not just limited to the Imperium - what state is the Eldar 'Soul Circuit' in? Can the Tyranids ever be stalled? But these are just my opinions - I would not expect everyone to subscribe to them. Possibly, what is needed is a little less of the 'cliffhangers' and a bit more of the stalemates, not in the Armageddon or Cadia sense, but maybe more of a 'Cadia lost, but other sectors won back - providing scope for change and for continuity to appease all fans. I don't know, I just hope I made sense from a non-player point of view.

DestructerPeach wrote: We risk sacrificing everything we know and love about 40k just because we are unable to deal with the suspense and our own impatience. I say embrace the suspense; it's what makes the story so enthralling; and immerse ourselves in the lore we currently haven't explored.

I think i'm one the same track as this guy.

Shadowclaimer wrote: WHO ARE THE LOST LEGIONS?!

And this one

I don't think anything really huge should be changed but i do like to see character growth. Like seeing Lysander go from a Vet Sgt in a previous addition to a captain. that was kind of cool. or the FW character Carab Culln and his multiple promotions. All of which could be down by an individual player running their own campaigns. In fact i am pretty sure (don't quote me) that FW guys just play really big games and then write everything down and sell it as fluff.

@Baldsmug - I'm with you on that one, but perhaps not on some of the more well known characters such as Calgar, Lysandar etc. I'd like to hear more on some of the more obscure characters. What about Kayvaan Shrike, or Vulkan He'stan's adventures (Though Nick Kyme's 'Circle of Fire' Trilogy may explain this). And like you say, FW has produced quite a few character models - why not hear more about them?

Of course, we're looking at it from an Imperial slant, there has to be many more characters in the other races that can be expanded upon providing progression, without endangering the current 'feel' of 40K (which I still regard to be pretty damn epic).

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@Baldsmug - I'm with you on that one, but perhaps not on some of the more well known characters such as Calgar, Lysandar etc. I'd like to hear more on some of the more obscure characters. What about Kayvaan Shrike, or Vulkan He'stan's adventures (Though Nick Kyme's 'Circle of Fire' Trilogy may explain this). And like you say, FW has produced quite a few character models - why not hear more about them?

Of course, we're looking at it from an Imperial slant, there has to be many more characters in the other races that can be expanded upon providing progression, without endangering the current 'feel' of 40K (which I still regard to be pretty damn epic).

I agree. but it would be cool to see Chapter Master Lysander or maybe a Vulkan Argos or Vulkan Tsu Gan with an additional relic.

I don't know much about the other chapters relics, but I gather Vulkan He'stan is the user of Salamander Relics. Out of 9, 4 more have to be found. So GW could advance the 'storyline' (If people wish to insist it is only a setting, but I personally disagree) in this manner by finding more. However they seem content to have them remain a mystery. I suppose it allows for an aura of mystique - I myself am going to convert a captain with a unique dragon-winged jump pack in representation of the 'Unbound Flame' Relic, but I would rather GW simply told us what it is, simply a sense of progression.

Fro more informaiton on the Unbound Flame (and the relics in use) - read the Salamnders Trilogy

read it anyway - some great stuff and then as our resident Salamander player asks - when do they get their own Codex

 Kaldor wrote:

clively wrote:
Engaging the world wide gaming community to fight a campaign in order to determine the next 100 years of timeline would be a marketing coupe.

Have you guys forgotten about Armageddon and the Eye of Terror? They did exactly that. Problem is, with enough players and armies, suitably weighted according to player numbers, the results just even out. GW also backed themselves into a corner with the Eye of Terror, as the results dictated that Abaddons crusade be annihilated. But not wishing to alienate every Chaos player on the planet and drastically affect the storyline, they let it devolve into a stalemate.

No it didn't.... Eye of terror was a win in space, but a victory for the Imperial forces on the ground.
The Imperium lost cadia through that campaign.

I played in that campagin and I was sided with chaos with my renegade astartes and the results came in and Chaos won. Because they were more chaos players than marine players at the time D:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

clively wrote:
Engaging the world wide gaming community to fight a campaign in order to determine the next 100 years of timeline would be a marketing coupe.

Have you guys forgotten about Armageddon and the Eye of Terror? They did exactly that. Problem is, with enough players and armies, suitably weighted according to player numbers, the results just even out. GW also backed themselves into a corner with the Eye of Terror, as the results dictated that Abaddons crusade be annihilated. But not wishing to alienate every Chaos player on the planet and drastically affect the storyline, they let it devolve into a stalemate.

No it didn't.... Eye of terror was a win in space, but a victory for the Imperial forces on the ground.
The Imperium lost cadia through that campaign.

I played in that campagin and I was sided with chaos with my renegade astartes and the results came in and Chaos won. Because they were more chaos players than marine players at the time D:

It doesn't matter. The point is that GW didn't want to alienate part of their player base by destroying a key part of the background. Player guided campaigns are much better run in places like Medusa V where the outcome will not spoil the setting, no matter who wins. And really, that's the entire point of the 40K setting. It leaves huge gaps that we as players can fill in with our games.

Yeah, move it forward, it's getting stale. Have the Emperor die and Roboute come back to life, Cadia get nuked, Tyranids taken off pause.... It's been the same for 30 odd years apart from a new race here and there and it seems a bit lazy. Everything 'new' that happens is something that happened in the past.

Having said that I don't get all of the doom and gloom about the situation of the Imperium. They're still the largest empire in the galaxy with the ability to create millions of Space Marines at will and access to billions of Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy. The whole 'red tape is dooming the imperium' stuff is a bit superfluous, as is the premise that the ideals of the imperium got crushed by the Horus Heresy. AFAIK billions of people worked stupid hours doing gakky work under the Emperor too and there was loads of red tape back then as well [see Horus going apeshit at administrators from Terra].

So i a bit of a rambling way my big complaint is that GW have failed to create a 'climax' to the 40K universe and need to advance it in order for this to happen.

To the OP I think advancing the story line in some areas would be great, but as far as the 13th Black Crusade and the over all story no. Though I would like to see more involement by the Necrons especially after the new fluff they got which if GW expanded on they could prolong the 13th Black Crusade allowing them or the players to creat new campaigns without affecting the over all story line to much if at all and we could go into the 42m . What I would like them to go into is the Fourth phase expansion by the Tau on the Eastern Fringe or even a new hive fleet in that area of space, prehaps both with a WAAAGH on top just for fun. For I really want to see more done with the Eastern Fringe and with a rumored Tau codex coming out in May a Fourth phase expansion would be cool to see. Though I'm not 100% sure that the Third phase is done sounds like it is, but I'm not sure. So feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 Kaldor wrote:

Quick question for you Kaldor. I know you like the setting and dont want it to see it advance because you like the approach to doomsday thing.

However would you be okay if GW did these things, simply coming out and saying the things we already know are going to happen.


Starting Tau conquest (the 4th whatever its called)
New Tyranid Hive fleet arriving and it being named
The Imperium finally driving the Orks off Armageddon

All of those are things we know is going to happen, the question is simply when. Would you care if the 7th edition Codex simply stated "The Orks were defated on Armageddon with the Imperial forces chasing the Ork warboss and his survivors" instead of the current "there is massive fighting there even though the Imperium has destroyed the Ork warmachine causing their warboss to flee the sector"



Also would you care if they said in 7th "the year is 005 M42" ?


Im actually wondering if you are completely against any changes or if you would be okay with very small advances that dont effect the overall feel of the setting. You seem to be the most vocal on this topic so I wanted to understand your opinion better.

 Galdos wrote:

Starting Tau conquest (the 4th whatever its called)

Sure

 Galdos wrote:
New Tyranid Hive fleet arriving and it being named

I guess. I think I'd prefer to simply expand the devastation they've already done to this galaxy. And I'd definitely prefer to see an new fleet incoming rather than actually here.

The Imperium finally driving the Orks off Armageddon

No, I'd rather see the Imperium use exterminatus. The ability of the planet to contribute to the Imperium is effectively nil, at the end of the third war. I'd prefer to see the Imperium cut their losses.

Also would you care if they said in 7th "the year is 005 M42" ?

This I would care very much about. Nearly everything in the studio background is driving at this feeling that something big is going to happen when the clock ticks over to M42. I don't think it would be good to move it past that point without having something big happen, and since I don't want something big to happen I don't want to see the timeline driven past that point.

Im actually wondering if you are completely against any changes or if you would be okay with very small advances that dont effect the overall feel of the setting. You seem to be the most vocal on this topic so I wanted to understand your opinion better.

I think for the most part the smaller changes that won't drastically effect the setting can be shoe-horned in without having to drive the storyline into M42, which is the absolute cut-off for me.

Personally im cool with GW advancing things as they have been, very slowly. We've had a couple of players killed off (Elrad Ulthan and Tycho) The Tyranids get another fleet every codex, The Tau have made a new appearance adding another facet to the universe. Even the Time of Ending with the Golden Throne starting to fail is something that has been introduced in the last few editions.

That said it woudl be kind of cool to have a few events happen. Nothing too shocking and doesnt have to advance the timeline too much but something to shake things up just a little would be a welcome change.

People clamouring for a WH 50k shoudl heed well the rumours flying about 10 years ago where the Blood Angels were going to turn to Chaos, the Ultamarines go rogue and Cypher returns to Terra to become the new emperor. That would have been disastarous.

Also the Star Wars anology is interesting. Some of the 'Post' Saga fiction was great. On the other hand People wanting to know where the Tyranids came from should think 'did we ever really need to know what the Force is?' '

In short the setting is fine, GW already seem all too willing to retcon things already but they seem to advance things, albeit at a glacial pace though Codexes and Rule books. Im happy with that. I've spent a lot of time in this universe and i;d hate to see it change too drastically

 Kaldor wrote:

The Imperium finally driving the Orks off Armageddon

No, I'd rather see the Imperium use exterminatus. The ability of the planet to contribute to the Imperium is effectively nil, at the end of the third war. I'd prefer to see the Imperium cut their losses.

Except that you and I both know that won't happen, and the Imperium knows it as well. Armageddon is one of the most vital manufacturing centers in the Segmentum Solar next to Mars. They'd sooner give up the entire Eastern Fringe than let the planet fall. The war is ongoing, but that hasn't stopped Imperial shipping from trucking out regiments and armor to other sectors. If Cadia can still deploy Shock Troopers throughout the galaxy while under siege by the massed forces of Chaos, then Armageddon can do the same.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

The Imperium finally driving the Orks off Armageddon

No, I'd rather see the Imperium use exterminatus. The ability of the planet to contribute to the Imperium is effectively nil, at the end of the third war. I'd prefer to see the Imperium cut their losses.

Except that you and I both know that won't happen, and the Imperium knows it as well. Armageddon is one of the most vital manufacturing centers in the Segmentum Solar next to Mars. They'd sooner give up the entire Eastern Fringe than let the planet fall. The war is ongoing, but that hasn't stopped Imperial shipping from trucking out regiments and armor to other sectors. If Cadia can still deploy Shock Troopers throughout the galaxy while under siege by the massed forces of Chaos, then Armageddon can do the same.

Not any more it's not. The workers are dead, the manufactorums destroyed, the infrastructure shattered. I mean, I'm just going by the outcome of Helsreach which I finished the other day, but Armageddon is nothing but a token battlefield any more. There's nothing left to save.