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As the title implies I am wondering if it is legal to assault with a unit whose transport has been destroyed in the previous players turn. It doesn't seem to make sense to me that a unit is more efficient climbing out of a burning wreckage than out the front door but as I can't seem to find any official ruling on it I don't really have ground to stand on when an opponent argues he can.

If it's not an assault vehicle, then no they can't.

Have you checked the FAQ? Explicitly covered there

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Have you checked the FAQ? Explicitly covered there

Which is particularly important since prior to the FAQ it didn't work if it ws an assault vehicle either...

I'm looking and I can't find the particular section on this.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I'm looking and I can't find the particular section on this.

Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the enemy
turn, can it Charge in the Assault phase of its own turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault Vehicle.

Ok thanks guys missed that in the FAQ

So RAI it's pretty clear that if your vehicle gets destroyed (ie "explodes") there's no assaulting unless it was an assault vehicle.

HOWEVER -- what about RAW players who try to claim that passengers in a vehicle 'explodes' result are actually placed, and not disembarked? Is there an argument to counter that line of logic, should it come up in a game?

I'm just asking as a preemptive measure, as nobody i play regularly has been this obtuse (yet).

I had something similar to this question come up in a game earlier this week, friend of mine had a stormraven, that was flying, explode and we weren't sure whether the unit that survived could assault or not. The stormraven is an assault vehicle but apparently only when it's hovering, if it's flying it doesn't have the assault rule. We weren't sure how to play it since technically after it explodes it's not flying anymore so would it gain the assault rule back? Luckily it was right at the end of the game and made no difference on the out come.

Rythem wrote:
I had something similar to this question come up in a game earlier this week, friend of mine had a stormraven, that was flying, explode and we weren't sure whether the unit that survived could assault or not. The stormraven is an assault vehicle but apparently only when it's hovering, if it's flying it doesn't have the assault rule. We weren't sure how to play it since technically after it explodes it's not flying anymore so would it gain the assault rule back? Luckily it was right at the end of the game and made no difference on the out come.

The Storm raven always has the assault vehicle rule.
However you can't assault after using "skies of blood" At least IIRC.



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 tetrisphreak wrote:
So RAI it's pretty clear that if your vehicle gets destroyed (ie "explodes") there's no assaulting unless it was an assault vehicle.

HOWEVER -- what about RAW players who try to claim that passengers in a vehicle 'explodes' result are actually placed, and not disembarked? Is there an argument to counter that line of logic, should it come up in a game?

I'm just asking as a preemptive measure, as nobody i play regularly has been this obtuse (yet).

A vehicle that suffers an explodes result is still destroyed.
Yes, they still disembark. GW tends to use place/disembark hand in hand. Even in their faq's.

Strmo raven case.....nto conasidered it before.

I woudl have thought that if the raven was in hover mode at the time it exploded - then the guys inside woudl count as disembarkign and, assuming the Ravne moved 6" or less, they coudl charge.

if it was zoomign then they woudl take the Crash and Burn its and essentially be disembarking from a zooming flyer. So no assault.

 Praxiss wrote:


if it was zoomign then they woudl take the Crash and Burn its and essentially be disembarking from a zooming flyer. So no assault.

Why is that? The transport has the assault vehicle rule.
I see nothing that says they cannot.

because the only way they can disembark from a zooming flyer is via Skies of Blood (in the case of BA), in which they Deep Strike - therefore they can't assault.

If they want to assault out of it the Raven has to go into Hover mode and move 6" or less as per the normal dismebarking rules - only then can troops get out AND assault.

If the flyer explodes and they survivve the explosion (assuming the flyer was Zooming), they have dismbarked after moving more than 6" - so technically an illegal disembarkation - so they couldn't charge.

Surely? I'm wiling to be proved wrong here.


If a Land Raider moved 12" could the occupants get out and charge?

 Praxiss wrote:
because the only way they can disembark from a zooming flyer is via Skies of Blood (in the case of BA), in which they Deep Strike - therefore they can't assault.

If they want to assault out of it the Raven has to go into Hover mode and move 6" or less as per the normal dismebarking rules - only then can troops get out AND assault.

If the flyer explodes and they survive the explosion (assuming the flyer was Zooming), they have dismbarked after moving more than 6" - so technically an illegal disembarkation - so they couldn't charge.

Surely? I'm wiling to be proved wrong here.

Read Crash and Burn on pg 81. They don't use skies of blood.

But the fact remains that they have essentially disembarked frm a flyer which moved more than 6".

 Praxiss wrote:
But the fact remains that they have essentially disembarked frm a flyer which moved more than 6".

That doesn't matter?

They where allowed to disembark because their flyer was destroyed. Since the Stormraven is still an Assault Vehicle, they may assault in their following turn.

If they had used Skies of Blood to disembark, they would have been disallowed to assault. However, since they did not use Skies of Blood, they may assault.