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2013/01/10 21:35:27
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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reaverX wrote:I seem to recall DoM destroying an entire eldar craftworld.
By devouring their souls.
All by himself.
Just for the hell of it.
On a Tuesday.
And that was just lunch.
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10000 Lizardmen  (Fantasy I miss you)
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2013/01/11 02:18:34
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
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Galaxy is infinite.
Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.
The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!
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"Archon Yulliptidon sat apon a throne made of polished glass, which gleamed with magnificence in the rays of the dying suns, beautifully suspended above the the many razor sharp peaks that where Commorragh. The archon held within his hands a a delicate pyramid of sculpted crystal, from which emitted a faint glow, an echo of the soundless screams of pain belonging to countless tortured souls forever trapped within. The room in which the archon sat in was something like a throne room, but displayed apon the walls where helm of every color, but all the same in size and shape. Some bore eagles on their foreheads, and others still contained the decapitated heads of their previous owners. Two huge, beautifully carved iron double doors, engraved with intricate runes of pain and suffering, opened at the far end of the room, to reveal a tall, elegant dark eldar warrior, clad in armor made from bone and flesh. "lord Yulliptidon, you asked for my presence?" Said the arrival, " to what do I owe the pleasure?". The archon raised his elongated head, skin as pale as a full moon, eyes as vivid as a horrible nightmare. " I did not ask for you, Thrayon, I ordered your presence. Do not think to much for your self, for truly, you are not much past a feral that one would find on the streets. As for why I have ordered you to my palace, it is because their is a task that I wish you to preform. I wish you and you kabal to cleanse the imperial out fort of Sargosain Gastienagan." Thrayon was both aghast and interested at what the archon had just said. "Such a task would stretch my kabal to its limits, only a great reward would be enough to do a deed like this." Yulliptidon was outraged by the the proposal of a "great reward" by Thrayon, but did not let his anger show, hiding it with a cold smile that hid his evil intentions surprisingly well. The archon was was famous for never telling a lie in his life, but was very fond of veiled double speak, and this was no exception. "Do not worry, Thrayon, you shall receive what you deserve." Thrayon, happy with this outcome, left to carry out Yulliptidons task. Little did he know what was coming. Thrayon had done a thousand evil deeds, and what he deserved was a horrible death equal to to all those he had caused. Yulliptidons smiled. He was going to have fun."
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2013/01/11 07:52:10
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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 Archon Tobias wrote: TheCaptain wrote:
Galaxy is infinite.
Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.
The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.
Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant
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2013/01/11 08:06:21
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote: Archon Tobias wrote: TheCaptain wrote:
Galaxy is infinite.
Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.
The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.
Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant
I can't remember exactly but it has been hinted at that that the current tyranids are only the small vanguard.
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2013/01/11 08:24:24
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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BaconUprising wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Archon Tobias wrote: TheCaptain wrote:
Galaxy is infinite.
Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.
The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.
Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant
I can't remember exactly but it has been hinted at that that the current tyranids are only the small vanguard.
Yes, there's a load of fluff about how the majority of 'Nids haven't arrived yet. That's all we know though, we don't actually know anything else about the extra-galactic 'Nids (other than the fact that they're supposedly fleeing from somehing, which I'm not sure is current fluff anymore).
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2013/01/11 16:34:19
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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BaconUprising wrote:I would agree with that, I have heard people claiming Ahriman is on a par with Magnus. For those people just read battle of the fang... Just read it.
maybe not - but still Ahriman is +1 psyker in any discipline to IoM top librarians...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/01/11 16:47:07
Subject: Strongest psyker
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 Deadshot wrote:God no. I would have to say the Emperor. For the reason he obliterated Horus entirely, in the Warp. No other being has been able to destroy a Warp Essence. And it didn't even kill him, it was the physical damage Horus did that put him on the throne.
Theres something called True Death.
Were the creatures are actually killed and destroyed. forever.
No coming back.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/True_Death#.UPBB5x08DTo
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2013/01/11 20:10:01
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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And the emperor managed to do it to Horus's soul,
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2013/01/12 01:58:48
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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warpspider89 wrote: DeathReaper wrote:All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?
Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.
What codex are they in?
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2013/01/12 05:39:16
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 DarthMarko wrote:Tigurius and Mephistopelis couldn't hold a candle to Magnus or Arhiman in any discipline...
I could use Njal the stormcaller (who ripped a bloodthirster with a p-blast ) in the same manner you used T and M - but Magnus and Ahriman are on the another level...
I just wanted to note that I agree with Njal.
In terms of projection of energy and manipulation of the world, Njal is pretty much tops as far as loyalist Marines go, that aren't Grey Knights (Prognosticars and gak man).
Mephiston is tops in terms of turning himself into an unstoppable murder train (Biomancy or some gak? I forget the Blood Angel power fluff). Tigurius is peerless in Divination and Telepathy, and Njal is pretty much numero uno in terms of what I presume to be a form of telekinesis or pyromancy or something.
Njal Is often overlooked in these kinds of threads.
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2013/01/12 08:48:57
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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IA:A 2nd edition. It's a psyker Wraithlord.
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2013/01/12 09:24:21
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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 Void__Dragon wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Tigurius and Mephistopelis couldn't hold a candle to Magnus or Arhiman in any discipline...
I could use Njal the stormcaller (who ripped a bloodthirster with a p-blast ) in the same manner you used T and M - but Magnus and Ahriman are on the another level...
I just wanted to note that I agree with Njal.
In terms of projection of energy and manipulation of the world, Njal is pretty much tops as far as loyalist Marines go, that aren't Grey Knights (Prognosticars and gak man).
Mephiston is tops in terms of turning himself into an unstoppable murder train (Biomancy or some gak? I forget the Blood Angel power fluff). Tigurius is peerless in Divination and Telepathy, and Njal is pretty much numero uno in terms of what I presume to be a form of telekinesis or pyromancy or something.
Njal Is often overlooked in these kinds of threads.
I would say this is accurate. I agree with the Njal statement, I think space wolves have the best telekinesis you can get. I think blood angels are a mix between telepathy and biomancy as they do augment strength however for example wings of sanguinius is a psychic belief that they have them.
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2013/01/12 09:58:46
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Yeah, even the greatest psykers typically are only super amazing at one or two disciplines.
Only a few, like Ahriman, Magnus, or whoever, are exceptional at everything.
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2013/01/12 15:01:08
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Confident Halberdier
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The doom of malantai. So psychic it floats can be strength ten and pretty much destroyed an eldar planet singlehandedly by eating there souls
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2013/01/12 15:20:38
Subject: Strongest psyker
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The Emperor. Sure he might need assistance to stay alive now, but the fact remains, no other entity, not even the Tyranid fleets, can do what he does every day. DeathReaper wrote:Except Hive Tyrants are not "Psykers" by the fluff of it. It is all the Hive Mind that gives the Tyrants the Psychic ability, not the Warp.
The hive mind is a warp entity, so that's not necessarily that relevant.
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2013/01/12 15:58:10
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms and was never able to branch out from there until the birth of Slaanesh calmed the Warp Storms.
You would figure a being that is touted by many on this board as being the most powerful psyker ever would be able to slap a Warp Storm around long enough to get the great crusade started. But he wasn't able to do so.
People always say Eldar psykers are around tier 3 or so, usually behind the likes of Malcador and the Emperor, followed often by Magnus and sometimes by Mephiston.
Yet Eldar psykers were without doubt THE most powerful psykers for millenia. Right up until the birth of slaanesh. They have developed their entire society to run off of psychic machinery. They were so powerful that no race in the entire galaxy posed a serious threat to them.
So in the total fluff I would give the most powerful psyker award to Eldrad.
He could do what the Emperor is doing with the Astronomicon, but because the Eldar have the webway he doesn't need to. There is no need for it.
Eldrad does have access to the Black Library. He is after all an Eldar.
And during the 13th Black Crusade, Eldrad did guide the Eldar all across the galaxy by splitting his soul and putting portions of it into waystones that were spread between many Eldar strike forces. And he didn't need souls of other living creatures to do it.
He doesn't need a high strength because he wounds anyone on a 2+ and they get no armour save. 
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"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2013/01/12 16:14:29
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms
... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.
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2013/01/12 16:24:42
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Furious Fire Dragon
In my game room playing Specialist GW games
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So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...
That is a huge difference.
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"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2013/01/12 16:47:45
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...
That is a huge difference.
The Emperor caused the Chaos gods to flee his might, because they feared that he would be able to destroy him, when he hulked out on Horus.
He started the Crusade when he was ready to. He had to build his legions first. It took decades to centuries to build up the required strength to accomplish his goals. He knew of the coming of Slaanesh, and the effect it would have on the whole of the warp, and planned to coincide his Crusade with the calming of the warp. Furthermore, it coincided with the fall of the Eldar empire, making his Crusade that much easier to accomplish. Why face such a foe when he knew they would be shortly destroyed by their own excesses.
The Emperor was the strongest Psyker to step foot in the galaxy, that has long been established fluff.
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2013/01/12 16:48:01
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Do actually bother to read posts you respond to.  Melissia wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms
... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.
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2013/01/12 17:04:31
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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djones520 wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...
That is a huge difference.
The Emperor caused the Chaos gods to flee his might, because they feared that he would be able to destroy him, when he hulked out on Horus.
Citation needed...
The only story ( i know of ) which describes the battle between the carriongod and Horus fails to mention any motivation for the chaosgods's retreat from Horus.
Isn't it much more likely that they forsook their pawn just like they left thousands of other pawns which failed them?
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2013/01/12 17:07:49
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Furious Fire Dragon
In my game room playing Specialist GW games
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Melissia wrote:Do actually bother to read posts you respond to. Melissia wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms
... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.
Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.
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"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2013/01/12 18:49:59
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Hmm. Old fluff was better, in that respect. Way back when, the Eldar birthed Slaanesh and lost their empire before Humanity ever travelled to the stars.
In fact, it was their excesses (eventually culminating in the birth of Slaanesh) which caused the greater turmoil in the Warp which caused the Shamans (Shamen?) to pool their collective psyhic might into the being called the Emperor rather than be eaten while awaiting rebirth in the Warp.
All of which used to have happened before recorded history began.
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2013/01/12 18:52:33
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Roadkill Zombie wrote: Melissia wrote:Do actually bother to read posts you respond to. Melissia wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms
... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.
Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.
Because apparently according to you no one can increase in strength and skill over time. Congratulations on directly contradicting the lore.
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2013/01/12 19:09:22
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms and was never able to branch out from there until the birth of Slaanesh calmed the Warp Storms.
You would figure a being that is touted by many on this board as being the most powerful psyker ever would be able to slap a Warp Storm around long enough to get the great crusade started. But he wasn't able to do so.
Yeah man, he couldn't halt galaxy-wide Warp Storms caused by the creation of a new Chaos God, what a friggin' PUSSY!
Do you believe Eldrad could have done so?
Your argument is gross, it is based on a flawed premise. "Oh, the Emperor couldn't destroy a galaxy-wide Warp Storm caused by the birth of a Chaos God? If he can't do that, he can't be the most powerful psyker."
Mind showing me where any psyker has managed a feat like that?
People always say Eldar psykers are around tier 3 or so, usually behind the likes of Malcador and the Emperor, followed often by Magnus and sometimes by Mephiston.
Anyone who believes that Malcador is above Magnus does not know what they are talking about lol.
Yet Eldar psykers were without doubt THE most powerful psykers for millenia. Right up until the birth of slaanesh. They have developed their entire society to run off of psychic machinery. They were so powerful that no race in the entire galaxy posed a serious threat to them.
Another flawed premise. Their psychic abilities, while formidable, are not the sole reason why they were the most powerful race in the galaxy.
So in the total fluff I would give the most powerful psyker award to Eldrad.
That guy who ran away from Fulgrim in fear?
He could do what the Emperor is doing with the Astronomicon
Validate this statement.
Eldrad does have access to the Black Library. He is after all an Eldar.
And? Are you implying that he makes use of the sorcery within some of the knowledge there?
And during the 13th Black Crusade, Eldrad did guide the Eldar all across the galaxy by splitting his soul and putting portions of it into waystones that were spread between many Eldar strike forces. And he didn't need souls of other living creatures to do it.
He split his soul before a single battle at Ulthwe, coordinating the defenses. I am not sure what your point here is.
The Emperor was psychically devastating the Realm of Chaos when he was walking around. Now, he holds the bulk of Chaos from collapsing the veil and spilling into the materium.
He doesn't need a high strength because he wounds anyone on a 2+ and they get no armour save.
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2013/01/12 19:46:20
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Furious Fire Dragon
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@ Melissia, you're welcome. Since GW does tell everyone that all of the fluff is and is not canon at the same time, I can do that. Because what you say is canon and is not canon.
I choose to believe the older canon stuff, not this new garbage they come up with. And based off of that he is not, nor has he ever been THE most powerful psyker. What he has been is THE most powerful HUMAN psyker. The Old Ones were the most powerful psykers. Followed by the Eldar, then by the Emperor.
That is the canon I choose to believe and it in no way contradicts the established fluff because all of the fluff is canon and not canon at the same time.
@Void Dragon...Considering the chaos gods are supposedly afraid of the emperor because he would destroy them as another poster so equolenty put it, yeah, what a pussy!...If he could destroy the 4 chaos powers then a warp storm should have been a breeze for someone so powerful right?
It's BS. He's never been so powerful that he could destroy the chaos gods.
Do I think Eldrad could have done it? no, because it was caused by the Eldar and he is an Eldar. But I do believe the Old Ones could have done it.
And knowing that the Eldar were the most powerful psykers for millenia is not a flawed premise, It is an established fact in the Eldar and Dark Eldar codexes. They ruled the galaxy for millenia with virtually no one being a threat to them. They developed their technology to be based on psychic abilities. They used that tech to rule the galaxy. Their Psychic powers were formidable, you are right, and because of that they used them to develop their tech. And their tech is what helped them to rule the galaxy. That is not a flawed premise at all.
And you are not being truthful about Eldrad vs Fulgrim at all. Eldrad was a young farseer then. And Fulgriim was a primarch backed with the powers of chaos. A very formidable opponent indeed. Eldrad didn't run in fear, he strategically withdrew. You guys always make it sound like he was a coward and ran from the fight. Instead, he knew he did not have the physical might to destroy Fulgrim so he withdrew. That is far from being a coward and running away like a sissy. In real life, some of the greatest generals in history withdrew when they knew they could not defeat a strong opponent. Does that make them a sissy? not in my book.
Validate Eldrad being able to do what the Emperor does with the Astronomicon? Because the emperor isn't doing it, the chair is.
And my point about Eldrad having access to the black library was in response to the person that said any psyker that has access to the black library is going to be more powerful...yeah, sometimes Eldrad does use knowledge from the black library.
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from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2013/01/12 19:48:14
Subject: Strongest psyker
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Nowhere in 40k does it say that psykers cannot grow in power and skill in time goes on. In many places in 40k it is explicitly stated that they do. Indeed, if your argument is that the Emperor is merely a powerful human psyker, then growing in to his power and learning to use it to its fullest over time rather than instantly is the only possible way for him to go, making your objection even more nonsensical and contradictory to both itself and 40k's lore.
tl;dr: Stop making gak up, Roadkill Zombie.
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2013/01/12 19:55:54
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Furious Fire Dragon
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I never said they couldn't grow in power Melissia. quote me anywhere saying that they couldn't. I've never said they don't grow in power. What I did say is the Emperor isn't the most powerful psyker.
And from all that I have read about him, he didn't grow in power, he just redirected his power. When his physical body died, he didn't have to concentrate on being alive anymore, all he had to do now was bend his will to stopping the chaos gods from destroying mankind.
I know psykers can grow in power, after all, that is exactly what Eldrad did.
you are the one that keeps insisting I said they don't grow in power and I never said that.
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"Khorne is a noble warrior who respects strength and bravery, who takes no joy in destroying the weak, and considers the helpless unworthy of his wrath. It is said that fate will spare any brave warrior who calls upon Khorne's name and pledges his soul to the blood god. It is also said that Khorne's daemons will hunt down and destroy any warrior who betrays his honour by killing a helpless innocent or murdering in cold blood..."
from the Renegades supplement for Epic Space Marine, page 54-55
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2013/01/12 20:06:59
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Eldrad can't be stronger than the Emperor. Slaanesh ate Eldrad, the Emperor beat all four Chaos Gods at their own game simltaneously. Now, obviously, if we ignore every bit of fluff that supports the Emperor then he won't be the strongest...
For what it's worth, there's always the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath. Let's see Eldrad do that from across the Galaxy in his current state.
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2013/01/12 20:12:03
Subject: Re:Strongest psyker
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Melissia wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote: Melissia wrote:Do actually bother to read posts you respond to. Melissia wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms
... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.
Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.
Because apparently according to you no one can increase in strength and skill over time.
Congratulations on directly contradicting the lore.
It is also possible he in his own right got stronger and more familiar with his skills because more people started to believe in him.
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