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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/15 15:12:14
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Deacon
Leeds, UK
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Right then, my friend has just started to show an interest in flames of war and wants to collect the Finnish so I have tried to come up with a list that would enable him to have the best choices possible, this is what I have so far. I would like to say that I don't have a great deal of experience either with or against the Finns so any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Headquarters
Jalkavaki Komppania HQ - 50
1x CinC Panzerfaust SMG, 1x 2inC SMG
Combat
Jalkavaki Platoon - 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon - 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Weapons
JalkavakiMachine-gun Platoon - 135
1x Command SMG 4x Maxim HMG
Regimental Support
Jalkavaki Heavy Mortar Platoon - 115
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer Rifle, 3x Tampella M/40 120mm Mortar
Divisional Support
Panssarii Platoon - 130
1x Command T-26, 3x T-26
Sturmi Platoon - 315
1x Command Stu 40G Sturmi, 2x Stu 40G Sturmi
Heavy Anti-tank Platoon - 115
1x Command SMG, 2x 75 PstK/40 (7.5cm PaK 40)
- Hero - Toivo Ilomaki
Artillery Battery - 205
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 1x Observer Rifle, 4x 105 H/33 (10.5cm IeFH18)
Heavy Artillery Battery - 255
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 1x Observer Rifle, 4x 152 H/43 (152mm obr 1943)
Anti-Aircraft Platoon - 65
1x Command SMG, 2x 40 ItK/38 (40mm Bofors)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/15 17:28:29
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Unteroffizier
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Well I have some experiance playing againt Finns as my friend has Jääkärikomppania.
As with all Finns (and other FV troops) they are damn hard to dig out and damn hard to win in assaults.
But for your list. I'd drop those T-26s as those are just to obsolete in late war (I assume you are going to play late war).
Instead take another Heavy Anti-tank Gun Platoon and you'll have better chances against tank heavy armies.
AA is good having a dual role and protecting your tanks and arty from planes.
One thing I'm not sure is, you've 3 indirect units (mortars and 2 artillery) perhaps change mortars or another arty into a third Jalkaväki platoon.
You can cover a larger area in defence and they can be a delaying force giving your mobile tanks time to act and the two other Jalkaväki platoons to clear other areas.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/12/15 17:29:36
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/16 10:05:01
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Halkomahooli wrote:
But for your list. I'd drop those T-26s as those are just to obsolete in late war (I assume you are going to play late war).
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Don't do this, T-26s are extremely cheap and they are still tank teams. Don't expose them to enemy fire and use them as a counter attack force against infantry and to counter light armour. They are a soild option that I use myself (in fact they are my only armour).
Its not my ideal list but it should work ok.
I would keep the 3 templates but more infantry would also work in your favour, 2 will have difficulties holding the line and attacking will be difficult. Personally I would drop the heavy artillery (or the Sturmis) and the PaK40s and replace them with a Jalkavaki platoon, a mortar platoon and a full panzerfaust tank hunter platoon.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/12/16 10:09:41
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/16 13:41:08
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Deacon
Leeds, UK
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Cheers for the input so far guys, we have had a chat and come up with the following
Headquarters
Jalkavaki Komppania HQ - 75
1x CinC Panzerfaust SMG, 1x 2inC SMG
2 x Lahti Anti Tank Rifles
Combat
Jalkavaki Platoon - 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon - 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon - 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Weapons
Jalkavaki Machine-gun Platoon - 135
1x Command SMG 4x Maxim HMG
Jalkavaki Mortar Platoon - 90
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer, 3 x Tempella M/35 81mm Mortar
Regimental Support
Jalkavaki Heavy Mortar Platoon - 115
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer Rifle, 3x Tampella M/40 120mm Mortar
Divisional Support
Panssarii Platoon - 160
1x Command T-26, 4x T-26
Sturmi Platoon - 315
1x Command Stu 40G Sturmi, 2x Stu 40G Sturmi
Artillery Battery - 205
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 1x Observer Rifle, 4x 105 H/33 (10.5cm IeFH18)
Anti-Aircraft Platoon - 65
1x Command SMG, 2x 40 ItK/38 (40mm Bofors)
1745 Points 10 Platoons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/16 15:41:41
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Don't take the Lahtis, in LW they are hopeless. Upgrade them to Panzershrek teams. Drop one of the T-26 to pay for them.
It looks a bit better but your are relatively vulnerable to enemy armour now. Finns can't have everything though
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/17 21:07:04
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Deacon
Leeds, UK
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Fair enough so something more like this?
1780 Point List
Headquarters
Jalkavaki Komppania HQ – 55
1x CinC Panzerschrek SMG, 1x 2inC SMG
Combat
Jalkavaki Platoon – 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon – 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon – 195
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Weapons
Jalkavaki Machine-gun Platoon – 135
1x Command SMG 4x Maxim HMG
Jalkavaki Mortar Platoon – 90
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer, 3x Tempella M/35 81mm Mortar
Regimental Support
Jalkavaki Tank-Hunter Platoon 195
- 1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 6x Panzerfaust Rifle
Jalkavaki Heavy Mortar Platoon – 115
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer Rifle, 3x Tampella M/40 120mm Mortar
Divisional Support
Sturmi Platoon – 315
1x Command Stu 40G Sturmi, 2x Stu 40G Sturmi
Artillery Battery – 205
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 1x Observer Rifle, 4x 105 H/33 (10.5cm IeFH18)
Anti-Aircraft Platoon – 65
1x Command SMG, 2x 40 ItK/38 (40mm Bofors)
1760 Points, 10 Platoons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/18 00:16:11
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Its very similar to my own list but I run an elite Jalkavakia list so I can't afford the Stumis
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/18 13:23:45
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Deacon
Leeds, UK
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I take it you run something like this one then?
Headquarters
Jalkavaki Komppania HQ – 65
1x CinC Panzerschrek SMG, 1x 2inC SMG
Combat
Jalkavaki Platoon – 235
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon – 235
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Jalkavaki Platoon – 235
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 8x Rifle/MG
Weapons
Jalkavaki Machine-gun Platoon – 150
1x Command SMG 4x Maxim HMG
Jalkavaki Mortar Platoon – 100
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer, 3x Tempella M/35 81mm Mortar
Regimental Support
Jalkavaki Tank-Hunter Platoon 215
- 1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 3x Panzerfaust Rifle, 3x Close Defence Rifle
Jalkavaki Heavy Mortar Platoon – 130
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer Rifle, 3x Tampella M/40 120mm Mortar
Divisional Support
Panssarii Platoon – 130
1x Command T-26, 3x T-26
Artillery Battery – 230
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 1x Observer Rifle, 4x 105 H/33 (10.5cm IeFH18)
Anti-Aircraft Platoon – 55
1x Command SMG, 2x 20 ItK/38 (2cm Flak 38)
1780 Points, 10 Platoons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/18 20:51:15
Subject: Re:1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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This is mine;
HQ 2 Panzershreks
Full Jalkavaki platoon, panzerfaust
Full Jalkavaki platoon, panzerfaust
1 section MG platoon (combat attached out)
Full Mortar Platoon
Full Heavy Mortar Platoon
Full tank hunter platoon, all with panzerfausts
Full Pioneeri Platoon, panzerfaust, supply truck
Artillery battery (122mm howitzers)
4 T26
8 platoons, 3 templates,4 crappy tanks and a minefield. On the defence they are a nightmare, on the attack they tend to get slaughtered; Finnish infantry won't be winning tournaments but they are fun list to play.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/12/18 22:23:32
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/20 10:20:56
Subject: 1780 Jalkavaki (Grey Wolf)
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Deacon
Leeds, UK
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Cheers for sharing that, as I say my friend is more in line with the fun side of the game at the moment, I don't think he'll be playing many tournaments to win any time soon
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