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The battlewagon/truck shoota, lootah and burna boyz builds has forever been my bane. I just don't seem to have enough fire power to put down enough of them to make a difference. I run primarily a jump list with vindicators and DC (with JPs or in a Land raider).

Does anyone else have an issue with these guys? Are there tactics that I'm just not realizing that would offset the sheer amount of dice they put down range? Is there anyone that faces the same style build and has and suggestions for me? Any help here would be appreciated.

I had a big issue with them in 5th edition. Jump lists are begging to be squished like bugs by the orks. The Orks actually are the ones that made me switch to being mech Angels, fluff be damned. I crushed them with mech over and over, however.

The best advice I can give you is get your guys in metal boxes. The lowly AV 11 of a razor or rhino makes your squad completely immune to shootas. It's not heroic or fluffy, but currently I use ASM purely as counter attackers.

Unforunately, the kustom force field cheese is just something you just have to power through. Note that if you blow up the big mek's battle wagon, he can't really keep up with the other mechanized Orks.

vindicators everywhere...

Jump Lists in 6th are not what they used to be in 5th, assault in general. With that in mind you should play to the strength of cheap and precise firepower in unison with mobile elements capable of assault (which BA do the best out of MEQ).

Options
- ML devs - 130 points for something that deals with trucks and hoards ez/pz
- MM attack bikes - 150 for a unit to take out a battle wagon.
- Divination libby - make sure the above hit

After this preds, SR and sternguard are also all capable of dealing with this easily. Just remember the BA codex is not a assault codex, its a mobility one.

 hazal wrote:
Just remember the BA codex is not a assault codex, its a mobility one.

well said.

Also, your libby can roll up "ignores cover" with divination. If he's a jump libby (come on this is the BA, of course its a jump libby!), he can join up with attack bikes and let them ignore cover. Sad face for the kustom force field

Or a Libby on a bike =D (its only 10 points more for the durability, turbo, jinx and TL bolters )

Right. I need to make one of those. I'm sure there is a way to kit bash them on the internets.

But comparatively a priest on a bike is better than a libby due to the respective range on their buffs, its easier to keep the libby out of harms way.

Unfortunately, I think the ignore cover buff requires the libby to be in the squad in question. It's worth the risk to frag a battlewagon with the big mek in it. Especially if you hammer the orks that come out with a whirlwind or TFC after the explosion result. Battlewagons explode on a 3+ if penetrated by melta. I love it

holy crap i had no idead some one could join a bike squad if they had a jump pack! i hate to go off topic, but can someone verify this?

Why wouldn't they be able to join? Attack bikes are not vehicles.

My brother plays BA and I play Orks so I have done this matchup a whole lot the one thing he does that really hurts is sternguard in a drop pod with combi melta's and combi flamers. It hurts bad and I have to devote a large portion of my firepower to these guys even after their combi weapons are spent as they are still dangerous. This gives the rest of his army breathing room to operate. It's expensive but also very effective.

But they are still subject to custom force fields. However, it is not crazy to drop pod a shotgun dread behind a battlewagon. It gets 3 shots that auto hit and auto ignore cover. And a magna grapple that might hit.

If he is shooting at a vehicle I have never not lost it kff or not. Combat squading them usually means I am losing 2 or I am losing a ton of guys on foot.

KFF really messes up the math on how many meltas to shoot to reliably take it out. Sorry you have been so unlucky. I find the sternguard to valuable to suicide like that myself. I'd rather frag it with attack bike who have ASM support right behind them.

Martel732 wrote:


The best advice I can give you is get your guys in metal boxes. The lowly AV 11 of a razor or rhino makes your squad completely immune to shootas.

While this is true, Lootas only need a 4+ to glance an AV11 with their Deff Gunz and they can throw a lot of shots down range so be careful not to rely on them too much.

Yeah the razorbacks usually pop quickly when he has 2 units of 5-7 lootahs and rolls a 5-6 for how many shots each unit takes. Thanks for the posts here guys.

In my experience anything that comes down in a drop pod is a sacrificial unit.

I like the mobility point, however. Might look into getting a few bikes.

The lootas will be shooting something. You can't prevent that. So, yes, they're going to kill some AV 11 hulls. Also, the more lootas they have the fewer they have in HTH troops.

Lootas are one of my favorite targets for shotgun dreadnoughts in drop pods Depending on how the ork player deploys, this may not be sacrificial.