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Yeah, I was thinking I was going to be able to split a second DV box with a friend who plays chaos, he just wants to chaos minis and the rulebook... then another friend pointed out that he could use the DA minis as Fallen, just leave them all black.

Gorramit, man!

On Sammael's entry he has "Warlord Trait: Rapid Manouevre"

Looks like in-codex traits are the way of the future for all things, not just chaos.

Interesting too that he is an IC when on his Jetbike now.

 Bolognesus wrote:
REALLY?!? I mean, that whole flier looks awesome, they've fixed everything there was to fix about the stormtalon and then some (okay it's still ridiculous but in an awesome way!) and they have to put a fethin' temple around it's hull?

Going by the army shot with both flyers, it looks like the icon piece is either optional or just for the variant with the rift cannon, as the other one doesn't appear to have it.

 insaniak wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
REALLY?!? I mean, that whole flier looks awesome, they've fixed everything there was to fix about the stormtalon and then some (okay it's still ridiculous but in an awesome way!) and they have to put a fethin' temple around it's hull?

Going by the army shot with both flyers, it looks like the icon piece is either optional or just for the variant with the rift cannon, as the other one doesn't appear to have it.

...Hmm, you have a point. Well, that's a good thing

I hope there's some angle that show us that the Pulpit Gunner doesn't have to sacrifice his legs to become... a Pulpit Gunner!

4+ invul for Sammy In his speeder.

As a long time DA player I was worried about what we were getting. For the most part I am very impressed with what I see. So far the only think I don’t like is Belial and the speeders. The flyer and terminators look great. Finally plasma cannon totting terminators. The only real disappointment is Belial, they took so long to make a model for him and it looks like crap, but I can let that pass and just convert one. The only problem I have now is that I already have a full company in PA and full company in TA. Now I have to decide what to add and what to move to the back of the shelf.

Well does anyone know if I can still keep my cyclone missile launchers for my TH/SS termies!

So, can the DW command squad also make the knights?

TechMarine1 wrote:
So, can the DW command squad also make the knights?

From the pics on the Spanish site it looks like the one box makes DW command, regular DW and Knights.

I have the impression that this dex is going to leak very soon

fidel wrote:
Well does anyone know if I can still keep my cyclone missile launchers for my TH/SS termies!

No promises, but looking at the entry from the WD in full blur-o-vision, the entry for Deathwing Special Weapon options appears to read as follows:

"For every five models in the squad one Deathwing Terminator may choose one of the following options:

...

Take a cyclone missile launcher Xpts"


So yes, it appears Lightning Claw or TH/SS termis will still be able to tote their cyclones, at least, there's nothing visible restricting them from doing so there.

It's also probably a sound tactical decision too, because Split Fire is done on a per-model basis, not a per-weapon basis, meaning if you had your Cyclone on a Storm Bolter guy, his Storm Bolter fire would likely be wasted (assuming you still get to fire it in addition to a storm bolter)


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Just noticing Deathwing Terminators don't have Combat Squads.

I hope Ravenwing still do.

A bit bummed by that, I was looking forward to using 10 man Deathwing squads to make a 5 man with 2 heavy weapons.

Wonder where those pics came from. Interesting to see someone break it down

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope there's some angle that show us that the Pulpit Gunner doesn't have to sacrifice his legs to become... a Pulpit Gunner!

It's like Starfox all over again.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope there's some angle that show us that the Pulpit Gunner doesn't have to sacrifice his legs to become... a Pulpit Gunner!

It's like Starfox all over again.

Well I'm convinced that the Ravenwing Banner Bearer's bionic arm is along those lines.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking I was going to be able to split a second DV box with a friend who plays chaos, he just wants to chaos minis and the rulebook... then another friend pointed out that he could use the DA minis as Fallen, just leave them all black.

Gorramit, man!

This is most likely what I'm going to do. I've not been happy with my Chaos army, probably gonna scope the DA codex, see what I like, what I can make, and then probably buy the DW terminators, and some Chaos bits off the internet.

Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

MarsNZ wrote:
Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

GW's been like this for a while now. The whole issue of "do we need green/red/grey/blue/black marine dex's" is pretty moot by this point....

MarsNZ wrote:
Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

I'm curious if you've even seen the new CSM codex, seeing how there is quite a difference between the last one and the now current one. Contrary to the constant murmuring of those anti-GW people who still buy GW anyways, GW has been improving significantly in many areas since I came into the hobby. The proof is in the quality of their plastic sculpts such as the Terminators and the remastered StormTalon, although the ChurchTalon and ChurchSpeeder Vengeance are awful and they should be ashamed.

MarsNZ wrote:
Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

It's not as stale as that complaint. Chaos Marine Legions have never had independent books whereas loyalist have had them since for almost 20 years. If you haven't gotten used to that by now, you need to find another game.

 Drunkspleen wrote:



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Just noticing Deathwing Terminators don't have Combat Squads.

I hope Ravenwing still do.

A bit bummed by that, I was looking forward to using 10 man Deathwing squads to make a 5 man with 2 heavy weapons.

It doesn't look like the Veteran Squad does either. Maybe it was folded until a DA specific rule?

 warboss wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

It's not as stale as that complaint. Chaos Marine Legions have never had independent books whereas loyalist have had them since for almost 20 years. If you haven't gotten used to that by now, you need to find another game.

While this is true, I have to agree somewhat here with MarsNZ...while seperate codexes were not there, there was a undivided list section and then a section where "if you do this and that, you are now a Iron warriors army, you get an extra heavy." or "you are rubric thousand sons terminators, you have 2 wounds". Even now the vanilla space marine codex lets you run themed armies with chapter tactics (Khan, Vulkan etc.). All we get is, "take a lord with mark and your elite of of said mark becomes troop" whoopidy freaking doo....Also they remove all the demons (even the horrible generic stat one in last codex) except for the demon prince (which lets be honest, its more on an accension thing than a demon), but then make the Helldrake and Forgefiend/mauler look like a combo of demon and machine (dinobots)......sooooooooooo are we demonic or not? Pick a direction already, GW making a codex is like driving through Pep-Boys with an industrial magnet.....

Sadly GW make what makes them the most money and loyalists marines of all flavours do this. I have my own opinion on the subject but will leave it for another time.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
On Sammael's entry he has "Warlord Trait: Rapid Manouevre"

Looks like in-codex traits are the way of the future for all things, not just chaos.

Interesting too that he is an IC when on his Jetbike now.

Perhaps Rapid Manuever is a trait that makes Bike squads into troops?

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope there's some angle that show us that the Pulpit Gunner doesn't have to sacrifice his legs to become... a Pulpit Gunner!

As opposed to the legs of the Land Raider drivers/gunners? Where does a Space Marine fit in there?


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 Drunkspleen wrote:
On Sammael's entry he has "Warlord Trait: Rapid Manouevre"

Looks like in-codex traits are the way of the future for all things, not just chaos.

Was this a surprise? The BRB even states that there would be other Warlord traits possible in the future.

Alfhedil wrote:
...and the remastered StormTalon,

The what now?

Anyone else notice that not all of the hooded Deathwing are helmetless? Some of them are definitely wearing helmets under the hoods.

I'm interested in seeing what Sammael's Warlord Trait does. Originally I was guessing it was his RW as Troops rule, but that is usually in the army list selection (as it was in CSM).

Also, it is really bloody-arse fuzzy but it looks like DW Knights have 2 attacks but the Knight Master has 3. Not too shabby.

 insaniak wrote:

Alfhedil wrote:
...and the remastered StormTalon,

The what now?

The new DA flyer, it's clearly the StormTalon, just altered to look like an actual flyer.

warboss wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Super Deathwing and Super Ravenwing added to yet another niche loyalist codex while CSM codex (covering 9 legions) is stale as it's ever been.

Yay Marines!

It's not as stale as that complaint. Chaos Marine Legions have never had independent books whereas loyalist have had them since for almost 20 years. If you haven't gotten used to that by now, you need to find another game.

The problem is GW removing as many restrictions from army building as possible, the 3rd edition Chaos Codex did a great job of representing the various legions, the thing is, now, most of the things that those legions "unlocked" like extra Obliterators and extra Raptors, are just things anyone can take. Basically, GW are saying it's up to us to build our armies fluffily, rather than have them provide the guidelines for doing so.

whoadirty wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:

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Just noticing Deathwing Terminators don't have Combat Squads.

I hope Ravenwing still do.

A bit bummed by that, I was looking forward to using 10 man Deathwing squads to make a 5 man with 2 heavy weapons.

It doesn't look like the Veteran Squad does either. Maybe it was folded until a DA specific rule?

Looks like they do to me, their special rules appear to be as follows:

And They Shall Know No Fear
Combat Squads
<Third thing I can't make out>

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
On Sammael's entry he has "Warlord Trait: Rapid Manouevre"

Looks like in-codex traits are the way of the future for all things, not just chaos.

Interesting too that he is an IC when on his Jetbike now.

Perhaps Rapid Manuever is a trait that makes Bike squads into troops?

Unlikely because if you rolled for traits and turned that up it would be much too late to make use of it having already built your army.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
On Sammael's entry he has "Warlord Trait: Rapid Manouevre"

Looks like in-codex traits are the way of the future for all things, not just chaos.

Was this a surprise? The BRB even states that there would be other Warlord traits possible in the future.

I wouldn't say a surprise, but I found it interesting because nobody talked about them in rumours at all (then again, the rumours didn't seem very accurate either).

Alfhedil wrote:
The new DA flyer, it's clearly the StormTalon, just altered to look like an actual flyer.

So you hold that up as proof of how good GW's models are, right before mentioning that you think it's rubbish...?