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So, without any 6th ed. experience nor any games with the new codex, I came up with this. Keep in mind that I am working with what I have right now and won't be able to buy anything new for the next year and a half (I barely even get to play these days). So, any help would be appreciated. I was on using the mobility of the rhinos and the semi-mobility of the spawn to fast strikes against important targets while the heavy support will sit back and take out targets that can't be handled by everything else, not very detailed but I'm a green with how things work nowadays.

HQ
Chaos Lord- 165 (will be going with the spawn)
-Power fist
-Mark of Nurgle
-Bike
-Sigil of Corruption
-Gift of mutation
-Blight Grenades

Troops- 1130

220pts
-10 Chaos Marines
-Champion with Power maul and combi-flamer
-veterans of the long war
-flamer
-flamer
-rhino

320pts
-10 plague marines
-Champion with power fist and combi-flamer
-melta gun
-melta gun
-rhino

233 points
10 chaos marines
-Champion with power weapon and combi-bolter
- veterans of the long war
-plasma gun
-plasma gun
-rhino

233 points
10 chaos marines
-Champion with power weapon and combi-bolter
- veterans of the long war
-plasma gun
-plasma gun
-rhino


Fast Attack

Chaos Spawn- 108pts
-3 spawn w/ mark of nurgle

Heavy Support

Defiler- 195pts

Havoc- 134pts
-4 autocannons
-veterans
-1 additional marine

Obliterators- 237pts
3 Obliterators w/ nurgle mark and veterans

Your spending too much on upgrades I have had much success with my chaos and I find that cheaper the better you just need to chop it up a bit, for starters I hate rhinos in this edition and they basically give your opponent first blood

Plague marines can have two special weapons to start so I find it better to max special weapons, and I like use plasma ap2 shooting is nice

Have you tried splitting plague into 2 teams of 5, give them the plasma guns and foot slog them, and give the other marines in rhino, the meltaguns?

Drop the combi bolter cuz its just twinlinked. Try to give as many csm squads MoN cuz a csm with T5 only cost 16pts, skip the close combat weapons unless you plan to make the flamer squAD MORE KILLY.

Good luck wit da defiler

I don't agree with the previous comment on rhinos I think that it keeps your squads alive longer. I personally like Plague marines in squads of 5-7 in rhinos with plasma or less so melta driving around shooting as much as possible. I think the lord would benefit more from Termie armour, pfist or chainfist and combi weapon or specilist if you want it. Blight grenades and then put him with some termies or Oblits with MON, you can deep strike them in if you want or can start on the board, more survivable than spawn. I also really like helldrakes and think you need more FA. Defilers in my mind are too expensive, I would take a Forgefiend before defiler, but I do like the defiler, I just think that the Forgefiend does more dakka for cheaper points. I think smaller squads of plague marines in rhinos and nix the csm squads is a better idea, they are more survivable and can accomplish the same with them since they are troops with your Lord with MON... just my opinion

Drop the gift from the Lord.
Drop all of the champion upgrades.
Cut down the Plague marine unit to 7.
Drop the single Defiler, or fit another in the list.

If you are taking Spawn take a max unit of 5.
Give the Lord a lightning claw also for options in cc.
I'd drop the Defiler and the havocs and fit a couple of Forge Fiends in the list.

I'd love to use forefiends (I would have two in this list) but right now I don't have the money/time to buy new stuff yet; same with heldrakes. When I'm able I'll get those models to add to the army but I'd like to try to get a (mediocre) list up in the meantime.

I'm not sure what I would replace the defiler/havocs with. I have a few predators (any configuration), two vindicators, a land raider, and some more obliterators. For fast attack, the only stuff I have are bikers and raptors, I don't know if anything can be done with that.

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I'd love to use forefiends (I would have two in this list) but right now I don't have the money/time to buy new stuff yet; same with heldrakes. When I'm able I'll get those models to add to the army but I'd like to try to get a (mediocre) list up in the meantime.

I'm not sure what I would replace the defiler/havocs with. I have a few predators (any configuration), two vindicators, a land raider, and some more obliterators. For fast attack, the only stuff I have are bikers and raptors, I don't know if anything can be done with that.

I'd suggest just using mockups or models roughly the same size to test with. Your friends and the guys in the games workshp/hobby stores shouldnt mind if you are testing out a list. At least then you can get a feel for it and decide whether they work for you or not.

I'd be inclined to avoid giving powerfists to the CSM champions as they are obliged to challenge now and while they are only T4, Mauls are an interesing choice however.

Lose the Gift of Mutation on the Lord, its a waste of points and I would be inclined to go with a Lightning Claw OR a power Ax (thats what I currently run in my MON list).

I would be inclined to change the CSM's to Plague Marines, the additional 5+ FNP is incredibly helpful and the fact that they are fearless is great for ensuring that they stick around.

Not sure about Flamers for the PM's I tend to run with Plasma as the current Meta seems to be all about MEQ foot-sloggers at the moment and while flamers not requiring a to hit roll is cool, plasma just burns through pretty much everything. Also, the 3+/5+ means you are much less likely to lose anyone to an unfortunate plasma burn.

Up the number of Spawn to a max 5, they will get shot A LOT, so make full use of their ability to ignore the effects of cover to the max and spend as much time as possible in cover and make the most of some sort of save.

Other than that the speed and T6 is a huge help, Whatever they hit is going to be having a really bad day.

You are looking at potentially 40*Str 5 Poisoned attacks (so you get to re-roll failed to wound rolls) which is delightful.

If you are going to make use of Rhino's, make sure that they have Dirge Casters and have them shadowing your Spawn to help cut down on Overwatch fire when the inevitable charge happens.

Would this be better? I know someone said I don't have enough fast attack. but I can't find the points for it. Would dropping the obliterators for a heldrake be better? Also, I still have about 36 points left.

HQ
Lord- 145
-Lightning Claw
-Mark of Nurgle
-Bike
-Sigil of Corruption
-Blight Grenades

Troops- 1130

238 pts
-7 plague marines
-power weapon
-melta gun
-melta gun
-rhino

238 pts
-7 plague marines
-power weapon
-melta gun
-melta gun
-rhino

213 pts
-7 plague marines
-power weapon
-plasma gun
-plasma gun

213 pts
-7 plague marines
-power weapon
-plasma gun
-plasma gun



Fast Attack

Chaos Spawn- 180pts
-5 spawn w/ mark of nurgle

Heavy Support

Forgefiend- 175pts

Forgefiend- 175pts

Obliterators- 237pts
3 Obliterators w/ nurgle mark and veterans