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Has there ever been mentioned how large the imperial army units attached to the primary legion crusade fleets were?

Or even a general idea? Tens, Hundreds of thousands? Millions? Tens of Millions?

Also, did all the legions have some form of titan support attached to them? or were there some that were without titans?

As for the main Crusade fleets, I would assume Imperial Army support would have been significant. Each of course vary in size with the majority of crusade fleets being Imperial Army with occasional Astartes support in my opinion.

Titans are rare, I can imagine their being plenty of crusades without titans, but they may have had support from Skittari or legio Cybernetica instead or more armoured support.

This is all assumption however.

The support of the normal men are significant I think for the 100.000 Imperial Fists that attacked the Iron Warriors, there were 8 million mortal men, but all the attention goes to the Space Marines. I mean I have read it somewhere, but I'm not sure.

Actually, IIRC there was more titan availability during the Crusade- I would imagine any fleet that had Space Marines would have at least a few titans of varying classes

Each major Crusade fleet had a full Legion attached to it, some larger ones would have had more, and if a large split into smaller ones the Titans would have been broken up as needed.

 Eetion wrote:
As for the main Crusade fleets, I would assume Imperial Army support would have been significant. Each of course vary in size with the majority of crusade fleets being Imperial Army with occasional Astartes support in my opinion.

Titans are rare, I can imagine their being plenty of crusades without titans, but they may have had support from Skittari or legio Cybernetica instead or more armoured support.

This is all assumption however.

Titans weren't rare Pre-heresy, in Betrayer the World Eaters had over 100 Warhound Titans with them and half of the Legion wasn't even present due to being spread out.



OT; I'm not too sure how many Imperial army units there were but there would be a lot of them.

 Thamor wrote:

 Eetion wrote:
As for the main Crusade fleets, I would assume Imperial Army support would have been significant. Each of course vary in size with the majority of crusade fleets being Imperial Army with occasional Astartes support in my opinion.

Titans are rare, I can imagine their being plenty of crusades without titans, but they may have had support from Skittari or legio Cybernetica instead or more armoured support.

This is all assumption however.

Titans weren't rare Pre-heresy, in Betrayer the World Eaters had over 100 Warhound Titans with them and half of the Legion wasn't even present due to being spread out.

Spoiler:

The Ultramarines even had plenty of Titans with them including an Emperor Titan. That was after the Calth attack

OT; I'm not too sure how many Imperial army units there were but there would be a lot of them.

Yet there is no mention of them being with the Expedition Fleet with lorgar (remember it was a smaller one he joined with argel Tal) nor any mention of Titan assistance to the Blood Angels at Murder.


There is of course mention of them in Lord Namitjiras forces in Legion, even though they had no Astartes.

I agree that they were more common during the Heresy, and great Crusade, but I still see the vast number of fighting forces being imperial Army only who request support as needed, from astartes and also mechanicum assets, as I'm sure I remember an off hand comment in mechanicum about how requests for the knights had dropped instead prefering the titans. (This request method might explain why namitjira had titans as they had struggled to bring that world to compliance for a while. )

So I'd summarise my position in that I believe some fleets would have a permanent attachment, but the majority would find them absent but could request their support.

of course the BAs at Murder were a smaller contingent. It wasn't a major Crusade fleet and the planet didn't appear to be a major threat from the outside.

They were very very small when the crusade began, but as the imperium took more worlds they became far larger due to the need to garrison planets and preform auxiliary duties

 Grey Templar wrote:
of course the BAs at Murder were a smaller contingent. It wasn't a major Crusade fleet and the planet didn't appear to be a major threat from the outside.

It was major enough to have a contingent of Space marines attached, and when a fleet arrives at a world I would assume they have very little idea of what to expect once they arrive. Might be a major defended world, it might be a desolate rock.

 Eetion wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
of course the BAs at Murder were a smaller contingent. It wasn't a major Crusade fleet and the planet didn't appear to be a major threat from the outside.

It was major enough to have a contingent of Space marines attached, and when a fleet arrives at a world I would assume they have very little idea of what to expect once they arrive. Might be a major defended world, it might be a desolate rock.

Just because it has Marines doesn't mean it will have Titans. Even at the time of the Crusade Titans were very very important.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Eetion wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
of course the BAs at Murder were a smaller contingent. It wasn't a major Crusade fleet and the planet didn't appear to be a major threat from the outside.

It was major enough to have a contingent of Space marines attached, and when a fleet arrives at a world I would assume they have very little idea of what to expect once they arrive. Might be a major defended world, it might be a desolate rock.

Just because it has Marines doesn't mean it will have Titans. Even at the time of the Crusade Titans were very very important.

I agree with you. In fact I'm arguing the case that although they were more common, relatively few crusade fleets would have access to them, but likely could request assistance as needed.

The Army doesn't get much coverage in the Heresy novels because regular guys aren't as sexy as Marines, and the Marines are the protagonists (and antagonists much of the time too).

Realistically, there would have had to have been bajillions of Imperial Army guys around to handle all the garrison duties as the Crusade progressed. And it seems like it would make sense for there to be bajillions of them as supporting arms for the Marine Legions, but again, not sexy.

Don't think too much about the logistics of the Great Crusade.