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Hey guys so I just got the Dark Vengeance box set and am going to be using the dark angels as normal space marines(white scars). I have made a little army list to get me near 100 points and I know that this really isn't the proper breakdown as how I should post this but I was also looking for advice on list building and how to actual go through the codex and add points for add ons as this is really the first time I've done this.

So my main questions are:
1) Is this a good army for a first time player?
2) Are the add ons that I put on the models correct?


HQ (Total 60)
Space Marine Captain Commander 60
- Bolt Pistol 0
- Power sword 0

HQ #2 (Total 101)
Space Marine Librarian Codicier 100
- Standard force sword and physic hood 0
- Bolt Pistol 1


Elites
Terminator Squad (Total 220 points)
Terminator Sergeant 40
- Standard Storm bolter and power sword 0
Terminator 40
- Assault Cannon 20
Terminator (Three Models) 120
- Standard storm bolter and power fist 0

Dreadnought (Total 125 points)
- Standard CC weapon & Storm Bolter 0
- Standard Assault Cannon 0
- Twin linked lass cannon 20


Troops
Tactical Squad (Total 180 points)
Sergeant 15
- Standard Bolter 0
- Power Sword 0
Space Marine 15
- Standard Bolt Pistol 0
- Plasma Cannon 20
Space Marine 15
- Standard Bolt Pistol 0
- Plasma Gun 10
Space Marine (Seven Models) 105
- Standard Bolter and Bolt Pistol 0

Tactical Squad (Total 180 points)
Sergeant 15
- Standard Bolter 0
- Power Sword 0
Space Marine 15
- Standard Bolt Pistol 0
- Plasma Cannon 20
Space Marine 15
- Standard Bolt Pistol 0
- Plasma Gun 10
Space Marine (Seven Models) 105
- Standard Bolter and Bolt Pistol 0

Bike Squad (Total 116 points)
Sergeant 32
- Standard Bolt pistol, Frags, 2 linked bolters 0
-Chain sword 10
Space Marine Biker 32
- Standard bolt pistol, frags, 2 linked bolters 0
Space Marine Biker 32
- Standard bolt pistol, frags, 2 linked bolters 0
- Plasma gun 10

TOTAL 982

You want your troops in metal boxes, ie Rhinos or Razorbacks.

Yes, the loadouts look legal, but foot slogging is a hard way to go in 6th edition.

Should I take out a few space marines and replace it with a rhino or a land speeder storm? Should I somehow get a land speeder storm in there somehow? Or should I just go a bit bigger and build 1250 or 1500 points?

You are using the Dark Angels Codex, I'm assuming? There's a new one coming out in about 6 days, so...

I'm using the Vanilla Space Marine codex because I am converting the Dark Angels to Vanilla Space Marines...I put that in the first sentence

I'm using the Vanilla Space Marine codex because I am converting the Dark Angels to Vanilla Space Marines...I put that in the first sentence

I was confused, because you are using completely incorrect points amounts, as detailed below:

Space Marine Captains w/ Power Sword and Bolt Pistol is 115pts.

You do not have to pay for Bolt Pistols on Librarians, and it would equal 100pts.

Terminator Squad w/ Assault cannon is 230pts.

Dreadnoughts may not take both Assault Cannons and Twin Linked Lascannons. And if you could, it would be 145pts. (But you can't) Assault Cannons are also not base line equipment.

Tactical Squads w/ Plasma Cannon and Plasma Gun cost 185pts.

Bike Squads are only troops if a Captain on a bike is taken. Chainswords cost no points. The Squad would cost 105pts.

You might be using last editions Codex. The current Codex: Space Marines looks like:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1550002

Crazyterran wrote:

I'm using the Vanilla Space Marine codex because I am converting the Dark Angels to Vanilla Space Marines...I put that in the first sentence

I was confused, because you are using completely incorrect points amounts, as detailed below:

Space Marine Captains w/ Power Sword and Bolt Pistol is 115pts.

You do not have to pay for Bolt Pistols on Librarians, and it would equal 100pts.

Terminator Squad w/ Assault cannon is 230pts.

Dreadnoughts may not take both Assault Cannons and Twin Linked Lascannons. And if you could, it would be 145pts. (But you can't) Assault Cannons are also not base line equipment.

Tactical Squads w/ Plasma Cannon and Plasma Gun cost 185pts.

Bike Squads are only troops if a Captain on a bike is taken. Chainswords cost no points. The Squad would cost 105pts.

You might be using last editions Codex. The current Codex: Space Marines looks like:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1550002

Oh sorry about that I am just not 100% sure how to add the points to individual models I am using the same codex I am just to new to army making :p

How exactly is the HQ Commander (captain) w/Power sword and Bolt Pistols? Isn't the base 60 points plus 15 points for power sword and then 1 point for bolt pistol?

I see where the Term Squad w/ assault cannon is 230 points and I also just made a mistake and didn't take off the Assault Cannon on the Dread because I was going to be using that but switched to Twin Linked Lascannon so is it still 125 points?

Also the bike squad would just be considered fast attack right? I just didn't put that in because I wasn't sure if it was troops or not

It's 135 for the Lascannon on the Dreadnought.

The Codex: Space Marine captain is 100pts base. Then, once you pay for the power sword, it's 115. (Bolt Pistols and Boltguns are free)

Also, I forgot to add the Power Swords on the Sergeants. That would make the tactical Squads 200pts each.

The Bikes are Fast Attack, yes.

At the moment, your army list comes out to 1085pts.

i would add scouts with a thunderfire cannon
that combo works very well scouts

I must be reading the wrong section for point values I will have to go over that for the Captain.

What if I added another Term Squad (Same setup) with 3 more bikes in addition with the setup I currently have would that be fairly competitive for starting? I really am not 100% sure if they use 1000 or 1500 point at my FLGS.

I was thinking about adding scouts but in the land speeder that holds 5 scouts but I'm not sure if I want that because that would be a lot of fast attack but maybe just a Rhino for transporting one of the SM tac squads? Im not sure :p

Should I just try and reduce it to around 1000 points for the sake of learning or maybe even 750? I really don't want to get to over the top with a huge army and then go play someone at the FLGS and just have no idea wtf is going on :p

If your brand new dont go all out and buying a huge army when you dont know whats going on.

Really just get two troops and an Hq
tac squads and an caption will work and just play small games

Read the rules of your modles and understand them.
like and they shall know no fear for example
Read and understand your wargear
like for example an relic blade or a power fist

just start off small then as you understand grow get terminators with a landraider (fun to build , i built a reedemer lastnight) get scouts with telion, and just grow small

For use of DV it is not bad... A few comments.

2 HQs at 1000 is a bit of overkill and a waste. Pick one or the other.

Dreadnoughts and terminators are slow moving and not the best - for different reasons...

Given money... I would look at razorbacks, a command squad and perhaps landspeeders.

Marines lack speed and speeders (or bikes/attack bikes) fit the bill nicely.

Save the terminators for when you jump your army up to 1500/1850.


So modified:

1 Captain with PW ( 115)
5 Cmd squad w 4 plasma gun ( 160)
1 Razorback (las/plas or assault cannon) (75)

2 Tacticals Plas cannon, Melta gun (380)
2 Razorback AS ABOVE (150)

3 Bikes ( 2 Melta gun) (110)

Now I know my points are off but this would be a firepower based army with the ability to counter attack one enemy. (The captain and the command squad or combat squad of one of the tacticals)

So I just got another space marine tac squad and was thinking of this list for around 1000 points what do you think?

HQ (100 Points)
Space Marine Librarian Codicier 100
- Standard force sword and physic hood
- Bolt Pistol

Elites
Terminator Squad (Total 230 points)
Terminator Sergeant
- Standard Storm bolter and power sword
Terminator
- Assault Cannon
Terminator (Three Models)
- Standard storm bolter and power fist

Dreadnought (Total 135 points)
- Standard CC weapon
- Twin linked lass cannon 20


Troops
Tactical Squad x2 (Total 370 points)
2 x Sergeant
- Standard Bolter
- Power Sword
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Cannon
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Gun
Space Marine (14 Models)
- Standard Bolter and Bolt Pistol

Fast Attack
Bike Squad (Total 106 points)
Sergeant
- Standard Bolt pistol, Frags, 2 linked bolters
-Chain sword
Space Marine Biker
- Standard bolt pistol, frags, 2 linked bolters
Space Marine Biker
- Standard bolt pistol, frags, 2 linked bolters
- Plasma gun

Land Speeder Storm (60 Points)
The One with 5 scouts in it I hope that the points value is right for this im not really sure?

Total Points 1001

Or should I keep the Previous HQ at 115 points and take out the Dreadnought for now? Is the Land Speeder Storm worth it?

The land speeder storm can work well in this list because I believe it comes standard with a homing beacon which will help your Terminators deepstrike without scatter.

I do not think you should actually put the scouts in it though. Leave them behind to babysit a home objective in cover.

Why are you using terminators? White Scars are a fast army built you need bikes, tactical squads in rhinos or dropods, attack-bikes and landspeeders for fire support. Scout squad must be paided for to be put in the landspeeder storm. Toss the dread and the librarian use a Captain on bike and take mostly bikes as your troops and maybe a stormtalon for air might help.

so i feel like this list is trying to do 2 things, be a heavy infantry army and a fast attack army, is that what you are going for?

well I am using terminators because they came in Dark Vengeance, and I am just trying to feel out what I like i.e if I like the fast attack style or if I would rather go with lots of heavy war machines and tanks etc. But I think I will probably be keeping the Terminators in reserve so then I can just deep strike anywhere on the board so speed for them isn't really a concern

OH the storm does not come with scout, they can use it as a dedicated transport

So I would Have to add 5 scouts at 13 points each? Plus 10 points for cannon so an extra 75 points for the guys in the land speeder storm?

So if I take out a few guys from the tac squads would that work at about 1000 points?


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Or wait sorry that makes no sense :p If I dropped the dreadnought and picked up the land speeder storm and the 5 scouts and the command HQ that would leave me around 950ish points.

Is there a way to increase that to 1000 points based on my current list?

I would go with sniper scouts and Telion on an objective

 Backspacehacker wrote:
OH the storm does not come with scout, they can use it as a dedicated transport

No the landspeeder storm is its own unit you must pay for the scouts and the storm than put the scouts in the storm. Its like when putting a tactical squad in a landraider you have to pay for both and they use two FOC slots.

 Snappenthetwig wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
OH the storm does not come with scout, they can use it as a dedicated transport

No the landspeeder storm is its own unit you must pay for the scouts and the storm than put the scouts in the storm. Its like when putting a tactical squad in a landraider you have to pay for both and they use two FOC slots.

...im confused...thats exactly what i said lol. i said the "storm does not come with scouts" meaning well. you dont get them with the stome. "They can use it as a dedicated transport" meaning you need to buy the scouts sepreratly to put them on lol, there is no option to add scouts to it on the data sheet which is why i said they can use it as a dedicated transport.

i lol'ed because you said i was wrong then said the exact same thing was right lol

Sorry i was pointing out that the storm is not a dedicated transport.

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Sorry i was pointing out that the storm is not a dedicated transport.

...ok fair enough, its a transport just not a dedicated one lol

Okay so now I am more confused than ever haha :p I am looking for what I should buy to make what I have 1000 points I know you guys have given me lots of good advice but I am still not sure what I should buy to make this list 1000 points.

Anything I should add from dreadnoughts (Haven't been recommended so far) rhinos (Which have been suggested not sure if I want it tho) to fast attacks to more troops? I am just new so really don't want to buy some new troops or vehicles that wont work well.

So far these are the minis I have

HQ (100 Points)
Space Marine Librarian Codicier 100
- Standard force sword and physic hood
- Bolt Pistol

Elites
Terminator Squad (Total 230 points)
Terminator Sergeant
- Standard Storm bolter and power sword
Terminator
- Assault Cannon
Terminator (Three Models)
- Standard storm bolter and power fist


Troops
Tactical Squad x2 (Total 370 points)
2 x Sergeant
- Standard Bolter
- Power Sword
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Cannon
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Gun
Space Marine (14 Models)
- Standard Bolter and Bolt Pistol

Fast Attack
Bike Squad (Total 106 points)
Sergeant w chain sword, 1 w plasma gun, and 1 standard one (all have Standard Bolt pistol, Frags, 2 linked bolters)

Total Points 806

So what is the most competitive and easy to play thing I could get for 200 points? Maybe a dreadnought and then a scout sniper squad? Any suggestions would be great thanks!!

maybe some anti air, a defense line would be nice, or even a bastion

What kind of anti air? Would a dreadnought with a multi melta help with destroying tanks and armored vehicles? Or something with a missile launcher or something?

I am still leaning towards a scout squad (snipers) and a land speeder but I don't think that would bring me to the last 200 points I need that is why I was thinking the Dreadnought (and it has some ability to destroy vehicles which I feel I am missing)

If you are playing vanilla marines take a stormtalon they are pretty good at most point values but you would need to get the rules for it online or from the white dwarf magazine issue

chiefbigredman wrote:
Okay so now I am more confused than ever haha :p I am looking for what I should buy to make what I have 1000 points I know you guys have given me lots of good advice but I am still not sure what I should buy to make this list 1000 points.

Anything I should add from dreadnoughts (Haven't been recommended so far) rhinos (Which have been suggested not sure if I want it tho) to fast attacks to more troops? I am just new so really don't want to buy some new troops or vehicles that wont work well.

So far these are the minis I have

Spoiler:

HQ (100 Points)
Space Marine Librarian Codicier 100
- Standard force sword and physic hood
- Bolt Pistol

Elites
Terminator Squad (Total 230 points)
Terminator Sergeant
- Standard Storm bolter and power sword
Terminator
- Assault Cannon
Terminator (Three Models)
- Standard storm bolter and power fist


Troops
Tactical Squad x2 (Total 370 points)
2 x Sergeant
- Standard Bolter
- Power Sword
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Cannon
2 x Space Marine
- Standard Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Gun
Space Marine (14 Models)
- Standard Bolter and Bolt Pistol

Fast Attack
Bike Squad (Total 106 points)
Sergeant w chain sword, 1 w plasma gun, and 1 standard one (all have Standard Bolt pistol, Frags, 2 linked bolters)

Total Points 806

So what is the most competitive and easy to play thing I could get for 200 points? Maybe a dreadnought and then a scout sniper squad? Any suggestions would be great thanks!!

As i know tactical sergeants in Dark Vengeance have plasma pistol(15pts each) + chainsword, and one terminator has chainfist (its additional 5 points)
so your army is 840 pts according to my calculations.

If you want to keep most of your models useful it will be difficult, terminators cost to much for 1000pts army

you do not need scouts right now,2 tac squads is enough.
marines need transports, marching on foot they will be shoot to death before they get anywhere
so its rhino/razor vs drop pod,
plasma canons cannot shoot after moving, in this case they will be useless if you use drop pod,
so it is rhino or razor, in your case I prefer razorback with TL lascannon 75pts each, and if you do not glue the turret you can always switch to rhino
next plasma pistols, they are not good at all. I recommend to cut them down and find somewhere a combiflamers in replacement
it will be 195 for each tac squad and 2x75 for Razors

next are bikers
you have to much plasma in your army, and nothing to deal with AV13 and 14 vehicles, so you need meltaguns and bikers are good for this (not as good as attack bikes)
convert combimelta for sergeant and glue 2 meltas for regular bikers (cut plasma gun first)

librarian is a very good HQ option
there is 3 good psychic powers in codex:
Avenger - S5 AP3(!) Flamer with this you can burn MEQs easily
Gate of Infinity - when your transport is destroyed (and it will be very soon) you can still teleport around the field
Null Zone - when you have to deal with terminators with storm shields or daemons its the best power in all codexes nuff sad
but you can choose only two? it's sad, try all of them

terminator are good, in close combat, not bad at shooting, nothing to say
but it is better to put them aside? before better times comes up

and for 235 points you can get Predator with AC and LC sponsons
and aegis defense line with quad-gun, 4+ coversave, 2+ when go to ground and 4 twinlinked S7 AP4 shoots at flyers,(and ground target also) is good
if you do so then downgrade razor so rhinos, and take some attack bikes with multimelta, you can add one to your bike squad, and another as fast attack

and once again, marines must have transports

but if you need just spend your points to have 1000pts list
let's calculate

HQ:
Librarian - 100 pts

Elites:
Terminators - AC + chainfist
235pts

Troops:
Tacs
Sergeant with chainsword and plasmapistol
plasmagun, plasmacannon
it is 200 for squad, 400 for pair

Fast Attack:
Bike squad
plasmagun
105 pts

it is 840 total, so you have 160pts to spend
you can use Dark Vengeance captain
100 pts base, he has combiplasma modeled on him, it is +10pts
his big sword can count as relic blade, an finally you can give him artificer armor,
it is 155 pts total, so you have 995 pts army already, it is not strong, but you don't need to buy anything and can start right after you read the rules and codex ))

you can start with this army, learning rules, strength and weaknesses of your units, and then decide yourself, what army you want to build!

Next addition to your list would be a pred a vindi or a stormtalon