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One of the cooler things ive found that was from the golden age was how amazing theyre lif support systems are hinted at being. The dreads and golden throne are simple compared to what they had at the time so just imagine that even after accidents humanity was virutally immortal if you had the money

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
AFAIK, Human technology during the Golden Age of Technology was surpassed only by the Eldar due their use of the Webway and psychic technology. Otherwise, the Human technology was on par if not superior to theirs; this may or may not have been the result of passive influence from a Star God imprisoned by the Emperor on Mars (which in turn implies Golden Age Human technology is actually Necron technology passively but efficiently modified for Human use).

Well, if one believes "Priests of Mars" then DAoT human technologies were somewhat equal/superior to NewCrons (but not OldCrons) - "pocket dimensions", realspace FTL drive, non-psyker FTL comms, starkiller weapons, real AI... i'm sure that some of these tech were either out of reach for Eldar or were inside their racial "blind spot" - they're created/uplifted psyker race and used legcy Webway from early days of their interstellar exploration.

PS Of Golden Throne , Webway and Emperor.
AFAIR main problem for BigE was that human race has no Bonesingers, whose product is crucial for Eldar-style webway. So it was designed that psychial energy of Magnus' aided by GT will do instead (think "brick wall" vs "electric/laser fence"). But - iirc - GT is not only collection of DAoT parts, it includes(?-ed? pre-Magnus "warning") some crucial elements of xenos origin. Or so i somewhy think, with "Outcast Dead" bein' suspect to contain this lore.

Yeah. I really think, more than anything, that the ships and current tech the Imperium runs on today were obviously more 'common' back then, but to the extent that there must just as obviously been far, far GREATER advances, at least sporadically throughout those old planets. Likely a great many of these planets really did want for nothing (hence Men of Iron etc), and were in fact at least the rival of Tau if not far better off, as well as indeed, potentially rivaling Eldar in some ways.

As someone hinted at though, I think the entire Eldar comparison IS in fact unfair. The Eldar are psychic, and always have been. Humanity, for the part of the vast majority however, was not. That alone means a necessary and fundamental shift in technology much more along the tines of super-Tau tech than Eldar. They used the Warp to power a lot of their stuff of course, but clearly there is no discounting that, at the least, there is a profound and unthinkable tragedy in the loss of understanding between the past and the present 41st millenium. Truly, epicly tragic.

I really can't wait until I have the chance to GM some story with people and come up with amazing stuff that will really resonate with the best themes of 40k. I got to figure out how best to highlight this tragedy. I'll share my thoughts on that real quick if you all don't mind, here, actually. I previously came up with the idea of some ancient DAot relics of technology (even an entire intact, buried ship) to be a thing to highlight this, but I want to include some story elements that really highlight the more human, cerebral implications of this loss. How do you capture a profound, galactic loss of understanding about something in a single story??

 Netsurfer733 wrote:
That alone means a necessary and fundamental shift in technology much more along the tines of super-Tau tech than Eldar.

Human tech is implied to be derived from the Star God known as the Void Dragon. So less super-Tau, and more like proto-Necron (because no Humans ever underwent bio-transference as far as we know)

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Netsurfer733 wrote:
That alone means a necessary and fundamental shift in technology much more along the tines of super-Tau tech than Eldar.

Human tech is implied to be derived from the Star God known as the Void Dragon. So less super-Tau, and more like proto-Necron (because no Humans ever underwent bio-transference as far as we know)

Honestly it's kind of the same thing as far as what I was talking about, lol - both Necrons and Tau don't really use warp or psychic tech. So yeah, in that category

But to anyone just reading this most recent post of mine, if you're up for answering my last question in my above post^, I'd really appreciate it as a sidebar, here!

I've been playing since RT days & my memory isn't perfect but what I do remember is that STC tech was for colonists. Humans would drop off colonists with a STC factory. The colonists would tell the STC what they needed & what type of native materials they had. The STC would then build them the best approximation of what the colonists wanted, with the materials at hand. There was no labor, thought or higher education needed. You just poured raw materials in the front & what you wanted came out. the back. All items produced were rugged enough for the untamed wilderness of a newly colonized world. All items were also very interchangeable, simple to use & easily repaired. Part of the trajedy of the IoM is that there greatest technology is the simple remnants of there former glory. The greatest technological achievmant for the IoM in the 41st millenium is discovering the remnants of the once great human race.

GRIM DARK ! ! !

If you have not yet, read up on the Legio Cybernetica guys. What little of it we have.