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 d-usa wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Maybe if Republicans stop inserting laws that prohibit the ATF from actually enforcing the laws that we do have, we might see a difference.


Maybe if the ATF actually focused on law enforcement instead of selling guns to the cartels and locking up innocent people they wouldn't need the help to make a difference.


They are not allowed to keep actual records on background checks, they are not allowed to keep records on guns used in crimes, they are not allowed to inspect a business more than once a year.

I am almost willing to turn my guns into scrap metal just so I don't have to associate with the stupitidy that is the NRA and the foaming-at-the-mouth gun idiots that are out there.


Who told you that? Cause they're wrong. The ATF keeps meticulous records on dealer sales of it's FFLs and they can inspect you whenever the hell they feel like it. Especially if you deal in Title II or III NFA weapons. It comes down to once a year because with the amount of gun stores in the US plus all the manufacturers, individual title three holders, etc.

Not sure how pestering legal businesses helps anything either.

Meanwhile Texas has taken the opportunity to increase it's population!

http://news.yahoo.com/yall-come-texas-state-official-tells-york-gun-223149333.html

"Texas is better than New York, and New York just gave us another excuse to say that," Abbott, a Republican, said on Thursday, after ads extolling Texas appeared on several media websites.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, signed sweeping gun-control legislation earlier this week expanding the state's ban on assault weapons and putting limits on ammunition capacity in the wake of last month's school shootings in Connecticut.

Abbott, a possible candidate for governor of Texas in next year's election, used campaign money to buy ads on websites of news organizations in New York City and Albany.

One ad says in classic Western script: "WANTED: Law abiding New York gun owners seeking lower taxes and greater opportunities."



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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
They are not allowed to keep actual records on background checks, they are not allowed to keep records on guns used in crimes, they are not allowed to inspect a business more than once a year.

I am almost willing to turn my guns into scrap metal just so I don't have to associate with the stupitidy that is the NRA and the foaming-at-the-mouth gun idiots that are out there.


Who told you that? Cause they're wrong. The ATF keeps meticulous records on dealer sales of it's FFLs and they can inspect you whenever the hell they feel like it. Especially if you deal in Title II or III NFA weapons. It comes down to once a year because with the amount of gun stores in the US plus all the manufacturers, individual title three holders, etc.

Not sure how pestering legal businesses helps anything either.


d-usa is correct. Unless there is a specific violation, they can only inspect once per year.

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 sebster wrote:
Exactly. Nonsense conclusions that are the result of debate leaders failing to focus on relevant issues.

And if you think that's not largely restricted to one side of the debate, then you're simply wrong.

We went over this. I demonstrated quite clearly those numbers and their methodology are crazy pants nonsense. Pretending there's any credibility to those numbers is choosing to be ignorant.

You didn't, actually. You demonstrated that you don't believe them, and attacked the methodology of using a survey rather than an FBI reported crimes statistic to document unreported uses of a handgun, but that doesn't make it so.

Both groups are as bad as each other, and both need to be removed from the debate before any sensible solutions can begin to develop.

No, they really aren't. One group's at least in touch with the facts and knowledgeable about current law.

It doesn't reference anything. It's just a made up number passed around certain circles because it has truthiness to them, and lets them pretend the 10,000 firearm murders each year aren't a genuine social issue.

I disagree, and when I've got more time, I'll troll the FBI's numbers, because I know their own claim is around 80%.

   
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 whembly wrote:
Really? Mother Jones?


Which one of the facts in that article is incorrect?


On second thought, nevermind. Since you perceive it has a liberal bias, you're going to dismiss it out of hand. Fair enough. Stick with conservative media, when have they ever led you wrong, right?

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 Seaward wrote:

No, they really aren't. One group's at least in touch with the facts and knowledgeable about current law.


I assume you mean the side that has yet to be mentioned: lobbyists and public policy groups. They're very good at taking facts and current law, and subsequently drumming up support for their particular agenda; or the agenda of those that contract them.

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 Ouze wrote:
You sure this has actually happened? I know it was considered about a month ago, but I haven't seen anything to indicate they actually passed a ban. If so, it would be very odd, since in these hypothetical home defense or police shooting scenarios they are the safer choice for bystanders and noncombatants.

Why would that matter? You're assuming that the people proposing such legislation know or care about that fact. And are you really suggesting that home defense and police shootings are hypotheticals?

Especially since that first sentence I think would be a rather surprisingly large umbrella. I'm fairly confident a total ban on AR-15s would be constitutional, for example. Not practical, not effective... but constitutional.

I think it'd be ruled constitutional, but I don't believe it would be, no. Not when you understand why the guys who wrote it put the Second in the Bill of Rights.
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm going to predict we get a lot of silly answers to that question

"Yeah, I got fully functioning BAR my granddad left me from his days in WW2. Also got about a dozen pistols. And a bunch of unassembled AR-15 and AK-47 parts, not quite sure how many guns I could get if I put them all together though."


Well there is this big thing in the shed my granpappy called a "field howitzer" does that count?


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 d-usa wrote:
Maybe if Republicans stop inserting laws that prohibit the ATF from actually enforcing the laws that we do have, we might see a difference.


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 Seaward wrote:
Armor piercing ammo's going to end up translated as, "Anything that can get through Level III."

Welcome back to non-+P 9mm, slow .40 loads, and .45 as your only semiauto options.

If they choose that route, every rifle round will be banned.

I mean we have morons from the MILITARY speaking about how uber powerful the 223 round is.

"I spent a career carrying typically either a M16, and later a M4 carbine," he said. "And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. That's what our soldiers ought to carry." Said McChrystal, "I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we've got to take a serious look -- I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want -- but we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that." - Stanley McChrystal

223 is considered to by under powered by several states and it is ILLEGAL to hunt deer with that caliber. His head would swim if he saw what at a 308 does, much less a 7mm Mag. The 223 is used because any idiot off the street (like the General) can fire it fairly accurately without hurting themselves or feeling a little recoil.

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You'd think a general wouldn't be quite as far up his own arse about the boolits his soldiers are using.

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Barfolomew wrote:



I mean we have morons from the MILITARY speaking about how uber powerful the 223 round is.

"I spent a career carrying typically either a M16, and later a M4 carbine," he said. "And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. That's what our soldiers ought to carry." Said McChrystal, "I personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we've got to take a serious look -- I understand everybody's desire to have whatever they want -- but we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that." - Stanley McChrystal

223 is considered to by under powered by several states and it is ILLEGAL to hunt deer with that caliber. His head would swim if he saw what at a 308 does, much less a 7mm Mag. The 223 is used because any idiot off the street (like the General) can fire it fairly accurately without hurting themselves or feeling a little recoil.


I strongly suspect McChrystal has seen exactly what a .308 (which is 7.62 NATO) does, as well as what .50 does and several other rounds. A quick look at his career will show he spent a lot of time at the pointy end of the spear... You can disagree with his politics, but to call him an idiot probably means you don't know much about him.

Edit: for the record, I don't agree with his position/conclusions at all, but he is not an idiot...

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
You'd think a general wouldn't be quite as far up his own arse about the boolits his soldiers are using.

Which is surprising when you read his bio:
Graduated West Point 1976
Para Infantry 1976 to 1978
Promoted to Captain
Special Forces Officer 1978 to 1980
Advanced Infantry 1980 to 1981
UN Command 1981 to 1982
Mechanized Infantry 1982 to 1984
Rangers 1984 to 1989
Promoted to Major
Naval War College 1989 to 1990
SOC 1990 to 1993
Para Infantry 1993 to 1994
Rangers 1994 to 1999
General from 2001 on

I guess one could argue that his quick move up in rank and the fact that he spent a lot of his time in training and moving around would mean he rarely fired a rifle. However, I would think that Special Forces would have prevented that. I wouldn't be surprised if he was both never shot at nor ever shot at anyone.



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I strongly suspect McChrystal has seen exactly what a .308 (which is 7.62 NATO) does, as well as what .50 does and several other rounds. A quick look at his career will show he spent a lot of time at the pointy end of the spear... You can disagree with his politics, but to call him an idiot probably means you don't know much about him.
I can still call him an idiot because he is only familiar with military rounds and not the plethora of civilian rounds, the majority of which make military rounds look anemic; yet is making a comment which which makes the 223 sound like an elephant killing round.

The pointy end of the spear is also very generic term of which I think only combat deployed infantry can claim. You have a corporal, sergeant or Lt. who served during an actual conflict and knows something about hunting rounds, I'll pay more attention to him than a person who spent most of his "pointy end of the spear" time operating during peace time and his war time behind a desk or at least not on the front lines. During Desert Storm, he was in the Joint Operations Command as a Major. The JSOC is the "joint headquarters designed to study special operations requirements and techniques; ensure interoperability and equipment standardization; plan and conduct joint special operations exercises and training; and develop joint special operations tactics." For this task, the Joint Communications Unit (JCU) is tasked to ensure compatibility of communications systems and standard operating procedures of the different special operations units. No "pointy end of the spear" there. By 2001 he had become a Brigadier General, so not of the front lines, more like the hand that controls the spear.

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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Really? Mother Jones?


Which one of the facts in that article is incorrect?

The fact that the ATF is a "weak" organization....

I mean... REALLY?

Tell you what... just ask any gun dealers how "involved" the ATF can be at their business.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
They are not allowed to keep actual records on background checks, they are not allowed to keep records on guns used in crimes, they are not allowed to inspect a business more than once a year.

I am almost willing to turn my guns into scrap metal just so I don't have to associate with the stupitidy that is the NRA and the foaming-at-the-mouth gun idiots that are out there.


Who told you that? Cause they're wrong. The ATF keeps meticulous records on dealer sales of it's FFLs and they can inspect you whenever the hell they feel like it. Especially if you deal in Title II or III NFA weapons. It comes down to once a year because with the amount of gun stores in the US plus all the manufacturers, individual title three holders, etc.

Not sure how pestering legal businesses helps anything either.


d-usa is correct. Unless there is a specific violation, they can only inspect once per year.

And why is this an issue?


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 Ouze wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Really? Mother Jones?


Which one of the facts in that article is incorrect?


On second thought, nevermind. Since you perceive it has a liberal bias, you're going to dismiss it out of hand. Fair enough. Stick with conservative media, when have they ever led you wrong, right?

I wasn't commenting on their bias... just the fact that they insinuated that the AFT is so powerless.

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Barfolomew wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
You'd think a general wouldn't be quite as far up his own arse about the boolits his soldiers are using.

Which is surprising when you read his bio:
Graduated West Point 1976
Para Infantry 1976 to 1978
Promoted to Captain
Special Forces Officer 1978 to 1980
Advanced Infantry 1980 to 1981
UN Command 1981 to 1982
Mechanized Infantry 1982 to 1984
Rangers 1984 to 1989
Promoted to Major
Naval War College 1989 to 1990
SOC 1990 to 1993
Para Infantry 1993 to 1994
Rangers 1994 to 1999
General from 2001 on

I guess one could argue that his quick move up in rank and the fact that he spent a lot of his time in training and moving around would mean he rarely fired a rifle. However, I would think that Special Forces would have prevented that. I wouldn't be surprised if he was both never shot at nor ever shot at anyone.



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I strongly suspect McChrystal has seen exactly what a .308 (which is 7.62 NATO) does, as well as what .50 does and several other rounds. A quick look at his career will show he spent a lot of time at the pointy end of the spear... You can disagree with his politics, but to call him an idiot probably means you don't know much about him.
I can still call him an idiot because he is only familiar with military rounds and not the plethora of civilian rounds, the majority of which make military rounds look anemic; yet is making a comment which which makes the 223 sound like an elephant killing round.

The pointy end of the spear is also very generic term of which I think only combat deployed infantry can claim. You have a corporal, sergeant or Lt. who served during an actual conflict and knows something about hunting rounds, I'll pay more attention to him than a person who spent most of his "pointy end of the spear" time operating during peace time and his war time behind a desk or at least not on the front lines. During Desert Storm, he was in the Joint Operations Command as a Major. The JSOC is the "joint headquarters designed to study special operations requirements and techniques; ensure interoperability and equipment standardization; plan and conduct joint special operations exercises and training; and develop joint special operations tactics." For this task, the Joint Communications Unit (JCU) is tasked to ensure compatibility of communications systems and standard operating procedures of the different special operations units. No "pointy end of the spear" there. By 2001 he had become a Brigadier General, so not of the front lines, more like the hand that controls the spear.


Well, seeing as you pegged exactly what JSOC does, I'll bow out of the argument.


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yet is making a comment which which makes the 223 sound like an elephant killing round.


Or he could know quite well, and simply be playing the ignorance of the crowd to suit his politics. Wouldn't be the first time some cop or soldier has done this.

Though I doubt they will make a concerted attempt at banning anything capable of penetrating a 3A vest.....quite simply it would piss off Elmer Fudd`s Legions, and that's something they've been very careful to avoid...at least until they manage to get public opinion to jump from "No one has a legitimate need for an assault weapon!" to "No one even needs a sniper rifle!"

I'm fairly confident a total ban on AR-15s would be constitutional, for example. Not practical, not effective... but constitutional.


Given the "In common use" language in DC vs. Heller, and the absolute explosion in sales and ownership of AR patterned rifles and 10+ round magazines since 2004, I don't think Id be too quick on that one.


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I'm just curious how:

When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating


equates it to something used for elephant hunting. But I guess hyperbole is okay if it helps nail down the narative you promote.

   
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I'm just curious how:

When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating


equates it to something used for elephant hunting. But I guess hyperbole is okay if it helps nail down the narative you promote.



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CptJake wrote:

I strongly suspect McChrystal has seen exactly what a .308 (which is 7.62 NATO) does, as well as what .50 does and several other rounds. A quick look at his career will show he spent a lot of time at the pointy end of the spear... You can disagree with his politics, but to call him an idiot probably means you don't know much about him.

Edit: for the record, I don't agree with his position/conclusions at all, but he is not an idiot...

I don't doubt his bona fides as a leader of men in the slightest, but a general wouldn't be my first stop for firsthand accounts of terminal ballistics, even one who did a couple years as an ODA leader.

I'd be interested to hear his former 18Bs' opinions, though.

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The 223 is used because any idiot off the street (like the General) can fire it fairly accurately without hurting themselves or feeling a little recoil.


Are we really calling Stanley McChystal "any idiot off the street"? That's an interesting position.

At any rate, 5.56 NATO is used for a number of reasons, not just ease of training. The same low recoil that enables people to quickly take to the round also enables good accuracy in controlled bursts, which is extremely important in squad combat scenarios. There's also an element of institutional standardization and, of course, net cost; which is important when you use 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammunition in a year of military action.

At any rate, what makes 5.56 NATO a useful military cartridge has little to do with civilian applications; different situations call for different capabilities. What the General is doing here is falling into the trap of assuming that military weapons are automatically superior to civilian weapons, even when placed in civilian circumstances; which is simply not the case.

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223 is considered to by under powered by several states and it is ILLEGAL to hunt deer with that caliber.


Many states also don't allow deer hunting with 9mm. As I said above, different application entail different ideal specifications, so bringing out what states will permit in the course of deer hunting really isn't appropriate.

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When White Castle Hamburgers hit your body, by way of ingestion, the effects on the body are devastating.


This is a true statement.

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Most citizens throughout El Paso County are well aware of my second amendment stance. I have recently received several emails asking my position on this subject as well as my position on gun control and weapons bans. In response, I felt obligated to take a few minutes and reaffirm my position on firearms ownership and offer a few of my concerns with the wrongful approach I see championed and pushed upon us by elected leaders at the State and Federal level. First and foremost, I absolutely believe in and stand firmly against, any effort that infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens to own and posses firearms of their choice. Furthermore, I will actively oppose any effort that infringes upon your second amendment rights.

Like every elected official in the state, I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Colorado. This means all rights. Prior to being elected as Sheriff, I took the same oath as a Deputy Sheriff and prior to my law enforcement career, I was a firearms enthusiast and sportsman. I am among the millions of Americans who chooses to exercise their right to bear arms and I avoid judgment of those who choose not to. Today and everyday into the future, I will continue to not only exercise this right but insure that our law abiding citizens’ right to bear arms is protected. I personally believe this right among others is non-negotiable. Some have suggested this is a political issue or a right and left issue. I strongly oppose that suggestion. This is a constitutional rights issue and we should all stand by this document which is the foundation of this nation.

It is very disturbing to witness so many that have taken the same oath I have, to now flip flop and use tragedies such as the Sandy Hook school shooting to further their personal agenda and very flawed thought process. Bans such as those that have been discussed and proposed in this state and other states will not make our schools any safer. Emotionally labeling “scary looking” weapons as assault weapons and banning them will not make our schools and communities any safer. Sadly enough, those who propose these restrictions never would or could guarantee that by imposing such restrictions will ensure the safety of our communities. It does however, target law abiding citizens and chips away at our constitutional rights. The flawed thinking that the criminal or an individual intending harm will obey these laws is unrealistic and statistics have proven this year after year. The notion that restricting ammunition or requiring any form of registration is factually illogical and emotionally driven to achieve one agenda and that agenda is control. This is precisely why our forefathers had elected to give every law abiding citizen these absolute rights and why they restricted the power and authority of the government.

We as a civilized society should focus our collective efforts on the real factors contributing to the violence against children. The silent issue that society and our elected delegation refuse to address at the national and local level is how mental illness is affecting our society and the lack of resources available to address these illnesses. We should be sharing information concerning those diagnosed individuals who demonstrate violent or homicidal ideations. We should insure our mental health systems are available to all those afflicted with disorders or illnesses.

We also need to be focusing on our children and the influences they are exposed to and who and what is shaping their conceptual and analytical skills. They should be exposed to positive role models that increase their respect and appreciation for human life. They should not be consumed with influences or activities that devalue a human life. A seven or eight year old child should never be consumed with graphic and destructive video games that measure the player’s success by how many people or things they can kill. This is an element that did not exist 30 years ago. Thirty years ago children played outside in the fresh air; today they sit with a remote, a mouse or toggle in their hand. They have become desensitized from constant stimulus and don’t comprehend the value of human life or the finality of the loss of it.

Instead of the Federal Government, mainly Congress, continuing to engage in activities of which they have no authority and erodes our constitutional rights, we should focus on criminals and those who are most likely to commit acts of violence and not target the law abiding patriots of our nation.


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Meanwhile Texas has taken the opportunity to increase it's population!

http://news.yahoo.com/yall-come-texas-state-official-tells-york-gun-223149333.html

"Texas is better than New York, and New York just gave us another excuse to say that," Abbott, a Republican, said on Thursday, after ads extolling Texas appeared on several media websites.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, signed sweeping gun-control legislation earlier this week expanding the state's ban on assault weapons and putting limits on ammunition capacity in the wake of last month's school shootings in Connecticut.

Abbott, a possible candidate for governor of Texas in next year's election, used campaign money to buy ads on websites of news organizations in New York City and Albany.

One ad says in classic Western script: "WANTED: Law abiding New York gun owners seeking lower taxes and greater opportunities."




Classy Texas. But what else would I expect from the only place in the US that is actually MORE obnoxious about where they're from than NYC people.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Meanwhile Texas has taken the opportunity to increase it's population!

http://news.yahoo.com/yall-come-texas-state-official-tells-york-gun-223149333.html

"Texas is better than New York, and New York just gave us another excuse to say that," Abbott, a Republican, said on Thursday, after ads extolling Texas appeared on several media websites.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, signed sweeping gun-control legislation earlier this week expanding the state's ban on assault weapons and putting limits on ammunition capacity in the wake of last month's school shootings in Connecticut.

Abbott, a possible candidate for governor of Texas in next year's election, used campaign money to buy ads on websites of news organizations in New York City and Albany.

One ad says in classic Western script: "WANTED: Law abiding New York gun owners seeking lower taxes and greater opportunities."





Classy Texas. But what else would I expect from the only place in the US that is actually MORE obnoxious about where they're from than NYC people.



I'm thinking it might actually sell guns in New York, confused people seeking the lower taxes bit purchasing firearms then calling any texas state government number they can find "Okay I have my gun, how do I file for immigration to this land of not being brutally mugged by the state regularly?"

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God forbid you smoke a joint in Texas though.
   
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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
God forbid you smoke a joint in Texas though.


Yep, zero pot use in TX due to fear of the high penalties.


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CptJake wrote:
 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
God forbid you smoke a joint in Texas though.


Yep, zero pot use in TX due to fear of the high penalties.



Seriously? All I was commenting on was the high penalties. Much like there's zero murders there because of the death penalty right?


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Texas went out of its way to criticize my state saying how its a bastion of freedom due to lax gun laws and I point out the hypocrisy of not being able to grow a plant and I'm wrong somehow? Please explain that one.

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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
CptJake wrote:
 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
God forbid you smoke a joint in Texas though.


Yep, zero pot use in TX due to fear of the high penalties.



Seriously? All I was commenting on was the high penalties. Much like there's zero murders there because of the death penalty right?


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Texas went out of its way to criticize my state saying how its a bastion of freedom due to lax gun laws and I point out the hypocrisy of not being able to grow a plant and I'm wrong somehow? Please explain that one.


You can't grow a plant in New York either, so we could say that Texas is freerer then NY, making their statement mostly true.

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Except anything under an oz is decriminalized, not a felony like in Texas. So no, you're wrong. But thats another topic of how the government loves to gak on our freedoms.

Also medical is soon to be up for debate in NY so.


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Or I could add untill 2000 sodomy was illegal in TX. How is that freedom again?

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

You can't grow a plant in New York either, so we could say that Texas is freerer then NY, making their statement mostly true.


It is a matter of fact that taxes are lower in Texas than they are in New York, at least if we refer only to state taxes. However, what constitutes "greater opportunities" is subjective.

The statement was "mostly true" only in the sense that part of it was factual, and the other part was just short of an advertising slogan.

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