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 d3m01iti0n wrote:


Taking a mandatory EC isnt a bad thing. However, he needs to be utilized properly to not be waste. Tailor your list around his vows. AAC is great all around and its what I usually use. Taking suffer is great to shave a couple points and make melee units a little more versatile if you dont think youll take the charge. Those are the two most useful vows IMHO. EC is a hopped up Sarge but once again, utilized properly he will chew through MEQ and that should always be his target.

adding to this point, the EC piles through most things MEQ but if he comes up against a 2+ save or a combat monster he'll be flattened in one round. Recently, I've found that he makes for quite the light vehicle killer, my EC's kill tally includes a number of killa kans and trukks.

Hmmm, I see what you both mean. I am more than likely going to go with AAC for my EC Vow. I find Rage to be really useful seeing how I play (constantly charging at everything). I'll go for a melee army probably, backed up by some heavy weaponry like meltas in the squads, some Vindicators and such. Also, what Fast Attack unit(s) is/are the best to use? I can't decide between Speeders of Bikes or Asssaults or whatnot.

If i take a fast attack, its typoon speeders or non at all. Just hang back at maximum range and stay out of bolter fire.


To the OP; this hasnt been mentioned previously but you can take POTMS with any vehicle which i do with my vindicators. Couple with the EC abhor the witch vow, this gives my vindies a potential 36"+d6" fire range on turn one. (Caveeat: ive checked in my local lgs and gaming club, we have ruled that POTMS lets me fire the cannon after moving 12", but i have seen some comments on some places not allowing it so ymmv)

djz05 wrote:
(Caveeat: ive checked in my local lgs and gaming club, we have ruled that POTMS lets me fire the cannon after moving 12", but i have seen some comments on some places not allowing it so ymmv)

TBH if anyone tries to tell you you're not allowed to do that, ask them to back it up, because there's nothing in the rules that says you can't (and you have permission to do so).

Actually it was someone else that pointed this out to me, i was just running 1 normal vindie for lols until a few vets mentioned I can get potms to increase my effective range. Now i cant seem to make a list without having 2 potms vindies in it.

For the op:
Our LRCs can have 16 power armour guys, so you can have 10 PA crusaders with 5 neophytes and an EC or hq in PA, not 15.

I've found that with BT if you are thinking of one strategy, go crazy on it. My 2 favorites are a heavy mech list with multiple lrcs/vindies/typhoons or a heavy deepstriking terminator list.

No, we can't I'm afraid. Only Vanilla Marines have a Transport capacity of 16. Everyone else gets 15, but it can still carry 8 Termies.

Incidentally, How effective could a Predator be with POTMS?

 crimsonfist832 wrote:
Hmmm, I see what you both mean. I am more than likely going to go with AAC for my EC Vow. I find Rage to be really useful seeing how I play (constantly charging at everything). I'll go for a melee army probably, backed up by some heavy weaponry like meltas in the squads, some Vindicators and such. Also, what Fast Attack unit(s) is/are the best to use? I can't decide between Speeders of Bikes or Asssaults or whatnot.

Typhoon Speeders, Always Typhoons. Plasma Bikes and Melta Bomb Jump Marines are great, but Typhoons beat them out in point value and versatility every time. They are the cornerstone of our Codex. BT should always run melee under cover of missile spam

Expect to see a lot of BT armies get dusted off and come out of hiding in the near future, what with the new flyer supplement coming out. Looks like were going to be talking Stormraven tactics pretty soon

I have a question about PotMS.

Is PotMS activated only when there is a Crew Stun/Shaken effect or can I use it whenever I wish to (declaring first, of course).

Also, LRCs can only move 6" right? So with PotMS that's 12" movement during the movement phase and I can shoot during the movement phase with PotMS?

If I can shoot during movement, do I get another shooting round on the LRC?

Edit: Are we getting Talons or Ravens??

For the LRC question:
Stay put = shoot everything at full BS and 1 weapon can aim at a different unit using POTMS

Move upto 6" = 1 weapon can shoot at full BS, everything else is snapshots BUT 1 of them can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS

Move over 6" upto 12" = all weapons are snapshots but 1 weapon can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS.

Hope that helps.

For flyers, it seems we are getting ravens not talons, but I always take all rumours with a grain of salt until it is actually there.

I play Black Templars and I also would like to mention our Techmarines:

1) Only take up one spot in a transport
2) 2 wounds, LD9, 2 attacks
3) Comes with Power Axe, Bolter, Signum, Crusader Seals (so when you buy stuff from the armory, you don't replace the Axe or bolter)
4) Twin-Linked Plasma Pistol (with the potential for 3 twin plasma pistols and a power axe if you are willing to splurge)
5) Flamer (overwatchy goodness)
6) repairs on a 4+ and still gets the servo-harness reroll, and can repair your land raiders from the inside
7) Is an Elites Choice independent character!

djz05 wrote:
For the LRC question:
Stay put = shoot everything at full BS and 1 weapon can aim at a different unit using POTMS

Move upto 6" = 1 weapon can shoot at full BS, everything else is snapshots BUT 1 of them can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS

Move over 6" upto 12" = all weapons are snapshots but 1 weapon can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS.

Hope that helps.

For flyers, it seems we are getting ravens not talons, but I always take all rumours with a grain of salt until it is actually there.

Wow okay, that was a little hard to understand. Sorry if I ask more questions.

Stay put - So I skip movement phase and enter shooting phase immediately. I select both my Hurricane Bolters and my TL Assault cannons to target... lets say a squad of Tactical Marines. I then use PotMS and use my Multi Melta to target something different, lets say a dreadnought. Is this right for the first one?

Move upto 6" - I select my right sponson Hurricane Bolter to target the same tactical squad at full BS. My Multi Melta and my Assault Cannon are snapshots. I activate POTMS and target my left sponson Hurricane Bolter to target the tactical squad at full BS

Move over 6" upto 12" - This means during my movement phase I move 6" and then I activate PotMS, to move another 6 inches right?

Basically, my question is when do I activate PotMS? During movement phase or during shooting phase? And I did not realize that the weapons on my LRC had to target the same unit. In my previous game I was targeting multiple units with various weapons... So that's wrong right?

Land raiders of all types can move up to 12" in the movement phase, you dont 'activate' potms, its just a part of the land raider

no movement = everything at full bs and potms lets you shoot a different unit with 1 weapon

up to 6"= 1 weapon at full bs everything else snapshoots but potms lets you shoot another weapon at full bs which may target another unit

up to 12"= all weapons snapfire but potms lets you fire 1 weapon at full bs which may target another unit


when i use potms i will say it 'the hurricane bolters and assault cannon will target x and i will use potms to fire the multi melta at y'

Hmm, thanks for all the really useful tips all!

HellJumper wrote:

djz05 wrote:
For the LRC question:
Stay put = shoot everything at full BS and 1 weapon can aim at a different unit using POTMS

Move upto 6" = 1 weapon can shoot at full BS, everything else is snapshots BUT 1 of them can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS

Move over 6" upto 12" = all weapons are snapshots but 1 weapon can shoot at full BS at the same or diff unit with POTMS.

Hope that helps.

For flyers, it seems we are getting ravens not talons, but I always take all rumours with a grain of salt until it is actually there.

Wow okay, that was a little hard to understand. Sorry if I ask more questions.

Stay put - So I skip movement phase and enter shooting phase immediately. I select both my Hurricane Bolters and my TL Assault cannons to target... lets say a squad of Tactical Marines. I then use PotMS and use my Multi Melta to target something different, lets say a dreadnought. Is this right for the first one?

Move upto 6" - I select my right sponson Hurricane Bolter to target the same tactical squad at full BS. My Multi Melta and my Assault Cannon are snapshots. I activate POTMS and target my left sponson Hurricane Bolter to target the tactical squad at full BS

Move over 6" upto 12" - This means during my movement phase I move 6" and then I activate PotMS, to move another 6 inches right?

Basically, my question is when do I activate PotMS? During movement phase or during shooting phase? And I did not realize that the weapons on my LRC had to target the same unit. In my previous game I was targeting multiple units with various weapons... So that's wrong right?

I think your confusion stems from reading the entry for PotMS in the Codex; it's been updated in the FAQ.

Lets talk Stormravens, shall we?

I just want to use mine to shoot, not transport. Though I can see it being perfect if we get a CC Dread in the future (TANKRED). Thoughts?

Why the devil are we talking about Storm Ravens? We can't take them...

 The Crusader wrote:
Why the devil are we talking about Storm Ravens? We can't take them...

We're rumoured to gain access to it in the flier expansion that might be upcoming. There's a thread in News & Rumors about it.

Contemptor Dreadnought with Rage charging out of an SR could be pretty funny. Expensive, but funny.

I honestly have never really looked at Contemptors, CC wise. I just know theyre great AA fo us. Gonna go read up on em right now......

Oh, ok, fair enough. Generally don't listen to rumours and such, makes it more enjoyable when we do get something.

Things are going to get interesting as all the shelved BT armies get dusted off.

I know that this has been touched on a little bit, but what is the consensus on BT Assault marines?
I know you SHOULD take speeders, but I really like the marines, and as someone pointed out, they can get 5 attacks on the charge with AAC.
What is the best way to run them, ten naked with a chaplain?

Lastly, in the codex it says they can get storm shields for 3 points a pop, did that get FAQ'd away or is that a real bargain?

FAQ'd I'm afraid but they are a good anti-MC unit

Stormshields were faqed to be 15 points now

I wouldnt bother with Assault Marines. The versatility of Speeders in the Fast Attack slot for pieplates and potential tank popping is too good to pass up on.