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Manhatten, KS

 jy2 wrote:
My friend is running a Tau-ork combo that I think will make mincemeat out of this list. I actually have an urge to try out a DA LR-spam list against his army just to see how badly I may or may not get smoked. Hmmmm....perhaps a future battle report? We'll see.

Anyways, his list goes something like this:

Shas'el
Biker Warboss

Nob biker unit

6x Fire Warriors
5x20 kroots
2x30 orks

3x3 broadsides
Bastion



Well if you take it as is make sure you dakka the crap out of those bikes. They should go down to weight of fire. I hate to say it but some of these builds are really gonna come down to mission. Also depending where he places his broadsides you might deep strike the terminators to either charge them or use their TL Storm bolter to bring something down. Hiding behind a bastion sounds like a good time. The broadsides you can kill or just try and ignore them and kill everything else. It will be hard to tackle 9 TL railguns.

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Luide wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
And you forgot to mention the Stormteks (which almost everyone takes), that basically looks at this list and laughs his metal ass off.
Depends. Most lists have only 2-4 Stormteks and Stormteks have only 12" range, and getting within that range requires transport. And while standard MSU in Night Scythes makes putting them within range easy, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose those units after killing 1-2 LR's.

You're absolutely right. However, I doubt any Necron player would weep at the though ot trading the life of their Stormtek to destroy a Land Raider. Hell, a 25-point model in exchange for a 250-point vehicle? I'll make that trade. I'll make that trade all day long.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Luide wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
And you forgot to mention the Stormteks (which almost everyone takes), that basically looks at this list and laughs his metal ass off.
Depends. Most lists have only 2-4 Stormteks and Stormteks have only 12" range, and getting within that range requires transport. And while standard MSU in Night Scythes makes putting them within range easy, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose those units after killing 1-2 LR's.

You're absolutely right. However, I doubt any Necron player would weep at the though ot trading the life of their Stormtek to destroy a Land Raider. Hell, a 25-point model in exchange for a 250-point vehicle? I'll make that trade. I'll make that trade all day long.

I struggle to think of an easier way for a model to make its points back tenfold.
Well, because of 4++ single Stormtek will not cut it. You eed on average 2 Stormteks+10 warriors to kill the LR because of the 4++, so we're closer to trading 180 points for 250. Still ok trade, main issue I see is that in case, Necron player must exchange Scoring units for non-scoring ones. And that Necron list probably won't have more than 4 of those MSU Night Scythe units in his army, making it foolish to use all of them for this purpose in most missions. Now, sacrificing 2 to get rid of that lynchpin LR carrying the 4++ is probably a good idea still.

But I have to admit that my current GK army would really, really struggle with this LR Spam. I have only 2 DK's (w/o teleporters) that can really handle something like this. Though you can trivially make GK army that will tear this army to shreds: Coteaz, 6x henchmen squads with 8 psykers each. Less than 500 points (600 if you count Coteaz, which I wouldn't) gives GK player 6 S10 AP1 large blasts with 36" range. Now, that army won't be too hot against anything else, but it will work in this case. Even though though he will probably lose half of his psykers to perils...
   
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Manhatten, KS

 azazel the cat wrote:
Luide wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
And you forgot to mention the Stormteks (which almost everyone takes), that basically looks at this list and laughs his metal ass off.
Depends. Most lists have only 2-4 Stormteks and Stormteks have only 12" range, and getting within that range requires transport. And while standard MSU in Night Scythes makes putting them within range easy, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose those units after killing 1-2 LR's.

You're absolutely right. However, I doubt any Necron player would weep at the though ot trading the life of their Stormtek to destroy a Land Raider. Hell, a 25-point model in exchange for a 250-point vehicle? I'll make that trade. I'll make that trade all day long.

I struggle to think of an easier way for a model to make its points back tenfold.


Plus the stormtek is with a squad of warriors. So your trading the stormtek plus one of the few scoring squads necrons usually have.

I played another game last night with the list vs a space wolves army. 5 objectives is hard but I had the side with the most objectives on it which helped mitigate that. Game ended DA 8VP to SW 3VP. I am gonna post vassal pictures of the game in the other thread in a bit.


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Here is a link again to the original army list thread. I posted a basic overview of the game against the last opponent.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/502018.page

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/01/26 16:52:22


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Now that I think about it, nids will probably be your greatest threat. MC's charging vehicles isnt good for anyone regardless of av, and your list doesnt have enough high strength weapons to bring them down before they charge you which means it will get ugly really fast. I dont even play nids so im not being biase or anything, its just an observation that you may want to take into account.

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flaming tadpole wrote:
Now that I think about it, nids will probably be your greatest threat. MC's charging vehicles isnt good for anyone regardless of av, and your list doesnt have enough high strength weapons to bring them down before they charge you which means it will get ugly really fast. I dont even play nids so im not being biase or anything, its just an observation that you may want to take into account.


I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure those TH/SS Terminators can deal with whatever Nid HQ makes it to the LR. If not, replace with DWK for auto-kill Mr. Tervigon with the smite attack. If they just held tacticals, yeah, you are right nids would make things quite ugly for them once they got in range.


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The list just help up against a foot guard army hiding behind an aegis with a manticore and a vanquisher in support. The list was annoying to bring down. I actually assaulted with my tactical marines lol.

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Manhatten, KS

 Ministry wrote:
flaming tadpole wrote:
Now that I think about it, nids will probably be your greatest threat. MC's charging vehicles isnt good for anyone regardless of av, and your list doesnt have enough high strength weapons to bring them down before they charge you which means it will get ugly really fast. I dont even play nids so im not being biase or anything, its just an observation that you may want to take into account.


I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure those TH/SS Terminators can deal with whatever Nid HQ makes it to the LR. If not, replace with DWK for auto-kill Mr. Tervigon with the smite attack. If they just held tacticals, yeah, you are right nids would make things quite ugly for them once they got in range.


Someone mentioned taking the deathwing knights instead of the the deathwing terminators. The knights are 15pts more base but come with storm shields and can use smite to get S10 for a turn against mc's. They could kill a trygon in one phase of combat.

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I don't know about the standard strategy of driving it forward type of landraider spam, but if we want to, we can have the toughest backrow landraiders in the game.

Take a techmarine, bolster a ruin, then put the techmarine inside the landraider. 3+ cover, can fix damage. and if deathwing you reroll damaging results that are bad (aka, anything that kills the landraider)

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Manhatten, KS

 scuddman wrote:
I don't know about the standard strategy of driving it forward type of landraider spam, but if we want to, we can have the toughest backrow landraiders in the game.

Take a techmarine, bolster a ruin, then put the techmarine inside the landraider. 3+ cover, can fix damage. and if deathwing you reroll damaging results that are bad (aka, anything that kills the landraider)


The deathwing vehicle is a blessing and a curse. I had a immobilize result re-roll the other day and it turned into an explodes result. Hell its in that battle report.

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