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 cincydooley wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh boy! I can buy extra bits!!! Goody gumdrops! How nice of them!!!!

Try harder.

At what? It's a ridiculous point to make, especially when every GW kit comes with extra pieces.

Am I supposed to pretend PP is so benevolent because they "let" us buy bitz? Gimmeabreak.

Who did claim PP did anything but to provide a service option that can help people who like to convert? Benevolent? Are you stuck in the fairy tale land where things are either good or evul?

This has nothing to do with benevolence, this is just a service that you can use it or not. It's your choice... much like it's your choice to buy GW boxes packed with bits ( let me guess you think those are free? )

Both are different services/biz models that you either buy or leave on the shelf. Both are good options for modellers.

Try harder at expressing yourself like an adult.

Boxes stuffed with bits are better for starting hobbyists, as they provide a ton of options in one set. Look at something as old as the Empire Militia up to the current DA stuff shows a lot of options in a single kit.

A deep bitz catalogue is better for more advanced hobbyists, or ones that know exactly what they want. The elimination of bitz was one of the big "the GW I know is gone" moments for me.

Though, the fact that bitz ordering makes rehabbing second hand minis vastly easier is probably something to consider!

 NAVARRO wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh boy! I can buy extra bits!!! Goody gumdrops! How nice of them!!!!

Try harder.

At what? It's a ridiculous point to make, especially when every GW kit comes with extra pieces.

Am I supposed to pretend PP is so benevolent because they "let" us buy bitz? Gimmeabreak.

Who did claim PP did anything but to provide a service option that can help people who like to convert? Benevolent? Are you stuck in the fairy tale land where things are either good or evul?

This has nothing to do with benevolence, this is just a service that you can use it or not. It's your choice... much like it's your choice to buy GW boxes packed with bits ( let me guess you think those are free? )

Both are different services/biz models that you either buy or leave on the shelf. Both are good options for modellers.

Try harder at expressing yourself like an adult.

Yeah, I've had no difficulty "expressing [myself] like an adult."

In my opinion, that of a singular indivudual that plays both games, offering up "but Privateer has a bitz ordering service" as a better alternative to GW boxes coming with bitz is foolish.

I also believe, because of their abundance of multi-part plastic miniatures and extra bits that come with them (that so many seem to abhor), that GW kits are more "hobby" oriented than Privateer kits, in that they allow for coversions and creation of individual, unique models right out of the box. I substantiate this with the fact that many Privateer kits don't even have a full box of unique models (Trollkin Sluggers, I'm looking at you).

I don't entirely remember how we moved down this path (I think it may have been in regards to which is better for 'hobby') but it's a moot point.

We all have opinions, and it is mine that, because of the aforementioned reasons, GW kits are better for "hobby."


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 NAVARRO wrote:

 agustin wrote:
It makes loads of sense. Go with 40k if modeling and painting is more important to you than gaming,

Modelling and painting is more important to me... thats why I love to paint and collect the chunky metals from PP and use GW for the converting fix... Don't see why you assume PP is less hobby orientated just because its not packed with thousands of extra bitz... I mean the goal is to paint a mini and field it and PP metals do that as good if not better than GW. ( detail wise there is no comparison the PP metals with the GW plastics)

Ah ha. Found it.

In my opinion, converting and creating unique models is part of the "hobby." Again, like I said before, because of my perspective of what "the hobby" entails for me, I see the GW kits as more "hobby oriented."

I'd also argue that there are plenty of GW plastics that have the same level of detail or better as PP metals, but that's not worth the argument at this point.




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 NAVARRO wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I think he means that with GW plastics, there are loads of parts and interchangable kits that result in nearly endless possibilities with just the plastics and glue but with PP it's a bit harder.

I still struggle to see why extra bitz on their kits makes the experience better for the painter... as for the hardcore modeler both companies have different appeals but one does have a bits service that you can buy individual bits ( guess who?).

In short both companies offer a very good experience for the painter/modeler in you.
I could never say to any hobby orientated fella that if he likes the painting side of things he should go to GW rather than PP... even the paints are good quality in both companies.

Oh lovely, and here's the other piece. You inferred that for the "hardcore modeller" Privateer was better because they have a bitz ordering service.

Again, I simply disagree, and we can leave it at that.

Cincydooley, that sounded a more errr constructed post

Your starting point is different from mine I think. I mean your definition of what is the hobby seems to be reduced/based on your personal perspective and thats why based only on your preferences you discard one or the other company as the best for what you need... While what I posted was more orientated to the post at hand... I cannot say to anyone who likes the hobby they should go with x or Y because both companies offer a very solid hobby experience in all aspects.

I dont want to debate here the shortcomings of multipart kits and how a metal miniature not aimed at multipose can reach a much higher level of satisfaction for those who love to paint dynamic pieces.
Thats why if anyone approaches me asking which of the companies offers a better hobby experience I would reply both.
Both have differences and different strong services and to me thats good enough.

And no, comparing how both companies supply their extras is not foolish and NOPE I have not hinted one was better than the other... I just disagreed to a post that said one was not hobby orientated with a clear example.

Now my personal selfish opinion... I collect PP because I love metal and painting and I collect GW because I love multipart conversions and sculpting... And I collect tons of other minis... So there you have it from someone who takes the hobby to the extreme in every level...

There we go. Middle ground :-).

I like a lot of my PP sculpts. I'm just still irritated about the black 13th and the Trollkin Sluggers. :-)

 Polonius wrote:
Boxes stuffed with bits are better for starting hobbyists, as they provide a ton of options in one set. Look at something as old as the Empire Militia up to the current DA stuff shows a lot of options in a single kit.

Empire Militia, like Skaven Night Runners, are bad examples. They were never intended to be used as Fantasy regiments, they were the human and Skaven warbands from the Mordheim starter. That's why there's so many options - they were meant to make a bunch of individually equipped models.

They're not a case of GW being nice giving you a bunch of extras in the regiment - they're a case of GW being cheap and reusing really old molds they had kicking around from Mordheim to use in Fantasy.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Boxes stuffed with bits are better for starting hobbyists, as they provide a ton of options in one set. Look at something as old as the Empire Militia up to the current DA stuff shows a lot of options in a single kit.

Empire Militia, like Skaven Night Runners, are bad examples. They were never intended to be used as Fantasy regiments, they were the human and Skaven warbands from the Mordheim starter. That's why there's so many options - they were meant to make a bunch of individually equipped models.

They're not a case of GW being nice giving you a bunch of extras in the regiment - they're a case of GW being cheap and reusing really old molds they had kicking around from Mordheim to use in Fantasy.

I'd never heard of that, what other plastic kits were originally for mordhiem?

 Surtur wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Boxes stuffed with bits are better for starting hobbyists, as they provide a ton of options in one set. Look at something as old as the Empire Militia up to the current DA stuff shows a lot of options in a single kit.

Empire Militia, like Skaven Night Runners, are bad examples. They were never intended to be used as Fantasy regiments, they were the human and Skaven warbands from the Mordheim starter. That's why there's so many options - they were meant to make a bunch of individually equipped models.

They're not a case of GW being nice giving you a bunch of extras in the regiment - they're a case of GW being cheap and reusing really old molds they had kicking around from Mordheim to use in Fantasy.

I'd never heard of that, what other plastic kits were originally for mordhiem?

I believe those are the only two.

Coincidentally, I believe one of those "extras" sprues from the Empire Militia was also included in the witch hunters boxed set from mordheim (the one with the dog).