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Hi!

Just starting up a CSM force, with focus on slaanesh and shooting. It's for friendly games, but I want it to be at least semi-competitive in a friendly tournament. I want a rough list that can be fun to play with/against all comers, so should stand a fighting chance against MEQ, orks, mech infantry etc.


Tactics: The idea of the first list is (beyond including models that I like the look of and how they play) was to either use armor saturation, or no armor, to starve any anti-tank guns of targets. CSM hunt transports and hold objective. Noise marines hunt troops (especially in cover..). Obliterators are anti-transport/anti-tank and lend assault cannon/p fist support if something hard wants to dance with my troops. The bike unit and terminators will be denial/contest units, and should be versatile enough to hurt most things on the table at 1000p I hope..? The only thing I dislike is the lack of Inv save on the lord. But then again, pain is glorious...

LORD OF CORRUPTION
Chaos lord, bike, power weapon, mark of slaanesh (noise marines are troops), bolt pistol, frag + krak grenades
= 115

5 Terminators
1x power maul + combi plasma
3x power axe + combi plasma
1x power fist + reaper autocannon
= 207


10 noise marines inc noise champion
8 sonic blasters
blastmaster
noise champion: cc weapon
=234


10 chaos space marines
plasma gun
autocannon
boltguns(free)
165

5 bikers
2 flamers
veterans of the long war
= 125


Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

total 998

Note: veterans of the long war on the bikers are there because I had some points over. But it might be useful against MEQ, and also if the lord was to die (painfully I hope..) to help with LD.


Alternative list:

LORD OF TERMINATED CORRUPTION
Chaos lord, Terminator armor, power weapon,combi-melta, mark of slaanesh
=127

5 Terminators
1x power maul
3x power axe + combi plasma
1x power fist + reaper autocannon
= 202


10 noise marines inc noise champion
8 sonic blasters
blastmaster
noise champion: cc weapon
=234


10 chaos space marines
plasma gun
autocannon
boltguns(free)
165

Vindicator 120


Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

total 1000

Note: This list has no bikes, but instead uses the Vindicator as an area denial (and killy) weapon. But putting just one AV target on the board doesn't seem to good I think. And this list is rather slow, unless termies deep strike.


Then for 1200p I would probably give the lord Burning brand or upgrade to the Black Mace, and take a Panedrake (helldrake)..


What do you think? Which list is better?

vindicators are best taken in 2s or 3s or not at all otherwise they just get focus fired down. You want target saturation (all vehicles or no vehicles).

Per the new FAQ you can take 2 blastmasters in a 10 man squad or 1 in a 5 man squad so I would recommend:

Lord on bike ~ 170
5 slaanesh bikers with plasma and melta bombs ~ 180
Aegis defence line
4 X 3 bolter noise marines 1 blastmaster 1 champ = 128 points (x4) = 512 points

Alternatively drop the bikes and take the lord off his bike and play a pure gunline with 6 blastmaster squads, some oblits and lord in termi armour

Oh yeah if you have the models you can put the noise marine units in rhinos and still fire out the front (it wont be able to move though)





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Gunline - The main stage (Arena of Rock)
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The stage:
Skyshield landing pad (or aegis, the sky shield is nice so you don't get wrecked by 2 heldrakes)

The light show:
5 havoks with 4 lascannons
5 havoks with 4 lascannons

The band:
5 man units of noise marines with 1 blastmaster
5 man units of noise marines with 1 blastmaster
5 man units of noise marines with 1 blastmaster
5 man units of noise marines with 1 blastmaster

The DJ:
1 power armoured chaos lord of slaanesh with a power weapon and mark of slaanesh
=992 points

Dude with the new FAQ you can have 2 bladtmasters per 10 men throw another on that 10 man squad

I think that the skyshield arena would be great and you should think about a fast way to capture objectives otherwise your in trouble 2/3rds of the time

Thanks for the replies!

The Arena of Rock is a very cool idea, but I don't want to play a purely static army/gunline. Mainly because I enjoy the tactical game of manouvring and taking objectives.. Also, agree on armor saturation!

Haven't tried the Blastmasters yet but from all the rave about them (and now up to two in a squad) I gather they are good. How do they take out transports though? Blast marker scattering does not seem too good. I could try squeezing in a second one in my 10 man squad, and to afford those points I could swap the 10man CSM squad for another 5 noise marine squad. Less troops, but more noise.. New list:

LORD OF CORRUPTION
Chaos lord, bike, power weapon, mark of slaanesh (noise marines are troops), bolt pistol, frag + krak grenades
= 115

5 Terminators
1x power maul + combi plasma
3x power axe + combi plasma
1x power fist + reaper autocannon
= 207


10 noise marines inc noise champion
7 sonic blasters
2 blastmasters
noise champion: bolter, bp, ccw
=261

5 Noise marines
3 sonic blasters
1 blastmaster
noise champion: bolter, bp, ccw
134

5 bikers
2 flamers
veterans of the long war
aspiring champ has melta bombs
= 130

Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

total 999



How about this?

Honestly its either blastmasters or sonic because the sonic is just wasted shots against a tank you less you go for more of a anti infantry blastmaster which you could just take some plasma on a plague marine squad

 A GumyBear wrote:
Honestly its either blastmasters or sonic because the sonic is just wasted shots against a tank you less you go for more of a anti infantry blastmaster which you could just take some plasma on a plague marine squad

So you use blastmaster as anti-tank? Seems very expensive and not so effective, given the scatter.. I would use it against troops, that's why I combine it with sonic blasters. Sure I might fire a shot or two against a transport if my oblits and terminators fail to stop it (and then waste some sonic shots). But the autocannon + plasma CSM squad in the original list is better at that role.

So, is the new list better? Has more blastmasters I would say, not sure if better..

If you can, give your biker lord the burning brand, that torrent flamer, with the other flamers will really soften units up nicely

I use blastmasters as anti transport and them finish up with another blast from a different one so I would give only half sonics as they wont always be shooting them so you could save points and give the lord the axe

The blastmaster is an anti marine wepon nit a tank buster so sonics on your NM are great you should only use a BM on a tank if there are no other options

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
The blastmaster is an anti marine wepon nit a tank buster so sonics on your NM are great you should only use a BM on a tank if there are no other options

That's what I figure too!

So which list is better? First one with CSM or second one with Noise marines and more blast masters. 1) seems more versatile to me, and has more bodies.

1:

LORD OF CORRUPTION
Chaos lord, bike, power weapon, mark of slaanesh (noise marines are troops), bolt pistol, frag + krak grenades
= 115

5 Terminators
1x power maul + combi plasma
3x power axe + combi plasma
1x power fist + reaper autocannon
= 207


10 noise marines inc noise champion
8 sonic blasters
blastmaster
noise champion: cc weapon
=234


10 chaos space marines
plasma gun
autocannon
boltguns(free)
165

5 bikers
2 flamers
veterans of the long war
= 125


Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

total 998


2:

LORD OF CORRUPTION
Chaos lord, bike, power weapon, mark of slaanesh (noise marines are troops), bolt pistol, frag + krak grenades
= 115

5 Terminators
1x power maul + combi plasma
3x power axe + combi plasma
1x power fist + reaper autocannon
= 207


10 noise marines inc noise champion
7 sonic blasters
2 blastmasters
noise champion: bolter, bp, ccw
=261

5 Noise marines
3 sonic blasters
1 blastmaster
noise champion: bolter, bp, ccw
134

5 bikers
2 flamers
veterans of the long war
aspiring champ has melta bombs
= 130

Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

Obliterator (mark of nurgle) 76

total 999